I dont see why any owner would allow it until the deals complete either, you don't hand over the keys to your house when someone says they'll pay the asking price
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Probably just the Telegraph trying to get clicks when there's no actual news.
Not sure what you mean by this but there's little doubt his intention would be for United to be successful.
As for the rest, very far from ideal but not as bad or insecure as the alternative. I'll still be in the 'not a penny' camp.
I wouldn't fully trust the intentions of anyone who has enough money to buy United. All billionaires are cnuts.
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Unless he says it in an official statement that is not an official confirmation of anything, you are grasping at straws if you think that can be used to stop any qatar proposal.
On the day of the sale, what will "RedCafe" temporarily change to?
Whitwell on talk of the devils suggesting that Ratcliffe may give preferred equity to the remaining Glazers.
Ok, through which media outlet was this briefed? Not saying you’re lying but I would be interested to read it myself
It depends whether that debt is neccessary for the growth of the business. The debt Spurs took on to build their stadium, whilst large, is not bad debt as it has massively increased their ability to earn money over the long term, whereas debt taken on by Radcliffe, the Glazers, or anyone else, to purchase the club and (whether it is secured against the club or not) then using the clubs revenues to pay off interest and/or the capital is always bad.
The framing of the questions is biased. I'm not 100% sure that the sun will come up tomorrow, and the number of people that I fully trust is very low and certainly not someone I've never met.
But I'm more confident that under SJR the club will continue to exist in its present logic, as a sporting entity and a business where winning and profits are aligned goals. And the Glazers are not an example that this alignment doesn't exist, because in failing to be successful on the pitch in the past decade, they have reduced the potential value of their asset. The club could be going for more than GBP 5 billion today, if it were having similar success as in the late 2010s or late 90s/early 2000s.
Well that’s just darned right billionairist!
If you watch Al Jazeera English you’d actually see that they often do report on things that are “uncomfortable” for Qatar.
I think what a lot of people, myself included, find annoying is the absolute ignorance in some of the comments about Qatar, AJ, the Qatar Royal family, etc by people who have no idea what they are talking about, are just parroting things they’ve read that have already been disproven etc.
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Pretty much what I thought about Ratcliff. To make up for the inability to offer long term and sustained development in all areas he’ll shut fans up with a good window or two.
Tak about scraping the barrel.
How would ratcliffe build a new stadium or refurbish OT without getting into debt and while plunking down money for players? Has he got that kinda money?
Like what?
Was that the English or Qatari Al Jazeera?
People have plenty of idea about them. Within this thread and beyond. Not everyone falls for Qatar PR mate.
Nope. But people will say things like "you don't know for sure he hasn't got that sort of money"
Apparently he's run Ineos for years, content with billions of debt but will definitely clear ours in a heartbeat.
Nobody knows how he would.
We can't just assume something would happen and then get worked up over it. We don't even have any examples to look towards because none of City, PSG or Newcastle have built new stadiums so haven't had to finance them.
Most clubs borrow to build a stadium though, or raise finance in some way to part or fully fund it. It's likely we would do that.
I just can’t picture a world where Ratcliffe puts in nearly enough money to better the club on and off the pitch.
How much money does Ratcliffe have, or have the ability to raise? You appear to know so if you could share with us, it would be very much appreciated.
Thank you.
Would imagine you fund one these days by agreeing to name it the Amazon Prime Arena or whatever for a decade or so.
He can borrow a lot. Which is good news. But not if you're expecting a departure from the last few years.
It's just the irony of people thinking Ratcliffe is going to save us from debt when he runs his companies with far greater debt thab we ever had ever with the Glazer family.
They've had 3 rounds of bidding. According to reports, SJR has bid a higher valuation (more per share, i.e., more to the Glazers), in two of the rounds.
If Qatar haven't taken SJR, the bidding process, or the Glazers' valuation seriously by now, what does that say about the seriousness of their intentions at all?
City made up a £400m deal over 10 years so I'd imagine United could command a far, far bigger deal without having to sponsor itself.
It was reported on an official brief by Al Jazzer, others here have also answered this question to. I suggest you search through the thread and you’ll find it but let’s be clear here I’m not clasping at straws because SJ with Qatar could still easily buy the club with SJ being a completely different entity in name only from PSG owners and we all know they have enough lawyers to get that through Uefa and EPL Prem league fit and proper tests, the part your missing is they’ve been outbid and outmanoeuvred by SJR and that was always their main uSP, that they have the most money, the biggest bid, a world record bid, the best bid !
Well where is it or
As Jerry Maguire would say ;
“ Show Me the Money ? “
The nation of Qatar is estimated to have $90 Billion USD in debt, amounting to 30-40% of their GDP (this has been declining).
By the above rationale, they can't afford United and certainly couldn't pay off our debt.
Large businesses, as well as countries carry debt. It's how the world works. I'm not saying it's good for United to have debt on its books (it is NOT, for various reasons that dont apply to regular companies), but it doesn't speak to a company's or country's financial health or purchasing power if they do carry debt.
It's ok to eat billionaires cause they don't have any feelings.
That's because he runs a chemical company, debt levels for conventional companies like that aren't abnormal.
From the latest tweets, Jim is giving me Boehly vibes. Which is not necessarily a good thing.
How so?
Based on wanting control of transfers as soon as the green light is given?
Surely then, Jassim wanting full control of everything in the same situation is closer to Boehly, given he basically occupied every position within Chelsea at one point.
A fecking bloodbath nightmare
Ratcliffe is giving me the heebie jeebies. 
Yes, his primary objective is to ‘shut the fans up’.
It’s been briefed in multiple news outlets
Here’s just one https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...over-Sheikh-Jassim-Sir-Jim-Ratcliffe-news/amp
He’s basically has the approval of the Emir and PSG snd united would look to be part of a multi club company with PSG, Braga, Man united and others , so jets stop pretending this is a key aye bid it ckearly isn’t and has never been a priority bate bid however they wish to present it to UEFA and EPL
Interesting. You'd expect Qatar to want to push those mega transfers as soon as possible. But they just want full control. A scary thought would be that they turn out to be incompetent in the end. Everyone seems to be expecting City like structure.
RedcliffeA fecking bloodbath nightmare
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