I’m not taking it personally, it’s just a case that I’m very familiar with seeing as how it’s from the sport I coach for my job.
Ignoring the complexity of defining what constitutes a biological man (especially with regards to trans women), they are, under no circumstances, men.
No, I'm talking about the language surrounding the issue. Referring to a person, who is explicitly not a man, as a "biological man" is a pretty shitty thing to do, and a very common tactic of dog-whistling bigots.
Those dastardly trans people, asking to be allowed to participate in society without persecution or ridicule, fecking over the world in the process.
This paper disagrees with that conclusion
Okay, yeah, that's fair. Seems, at the very least, they'll always have greater lung capacity and larger, more powerful hearts.
parts of that paper (like 2.1) were reaching, others were good (like 2.3).
This was represented in the original paper as:
seems like the numbers were mixed up. and no mention of the push-up or sit-up differences vanishing.
From Source 80, regarding the push-ups and sit-ups. Seems you might be reading what you want into the linked article’s motives. This excerpt from the Discussions section of source 80 supports what the linked article concluded.
Push-ups are an activity which were gauged, the power output is a downstream analysis.
You’ve only reinforced my previously stated belief here.
Apparently so, which will obviously have knock on effects athletically.
I respect your opinion there, but just cannot agree with it.
Just in case you all need a guage as to how many push-up this cis woman can do it's 0... but that's just me.
Just in case you all need a guage as to how many push-up this cis woman can do it's 0... but that's just me.
You got it coach
Bit surely this case if anything proves the disproportionate gap between a biological women and a biological man, I mean he won the girls tournament and then couldn't crack the mens team
The issue really isn't with trans people though is it. It's about a group of people forcing the rest of the world to accept their version of reality/truth as an absolute fact. If they want to identify as a different gender to which they were born, I say let them go in peace and treat with them dignity, respect and non-discrimination. But surely, at the same time they can't expect everyone to ignore the basic realities of the situation.
The discussion was about sport. It’s pretty critical to the debate that we acknowledge trans women are biological men. As far as I’m aware that covers the entire problem when it comes to trans women having advantage over cis women in sport.
I’m not going to sit here and ignore biology and live in a fantasy land unfortunately!
This is probably one of the stupidest sentences I’ve read on here in a long time.
As you seem to be one of these, it might be better. In no way is it fair that women compete phyisically against men, but as a male you dont seem to give a shit
To my knowledge, there's no standard, agreed upon definition of what constitutes a biological male or female, hence the controversy surrounding intersex athletes and testosterone limits in women's sports.
Eh?
I didn't assume that. I recognize there might be advantages (although as someone pointed out when we're talking about teenagers the jury still seems to be out), but in school sports I value other things rather then just win competitions.
School sports can often be these teenagers livelihoods, their gateway to college. You can't just diminish that
Well quite. There aren't many sports where men do not have a considerable advantage. The guy who finishes last in every 100m men's race would usually win the women's event quite comfortably. The women's winning time that won the gold medal would have finished last in the slowest men's preliminary heat.
Very interesting suggestion. I wonder if trans athletes and non trans athletes would be open to such a thing.
A handicap system would also only be applicable to certain sports. There’s many where that wouldn’t make sense.
I've addressed that, just give out more scholarships to make up for any cis girls who might miss out. It's better to increase the access to education than to ban a group of people from something as important and healthy as school sports.
It could solve a good percentage of sports that's time based.
I'm not saying there's enough leeway for trans women to qualify as biologically female, I'm saying there's more to it than "was born with female reproductive organs" or "has XY chromosomes". Hence it's complex. Caster Semanya is, in one sense, biologically male. But by different criteria, she's biologically female. And she's far from unique in women's sports.
Because, last I checked, the rules say nothing about chromosomes?
No one wants to ban anyone. There just needs to be a solution that works for all parties not just transgender women
If they are prevented from playing sports then it's effectively a ban. People can dance around the word all they want but it's the practical effect.
Yes, those are the certain sports I referenced. I’m simply pointing out that it would only be a partial solution.
Well here you’re changing the goalposts now to include intersex, which is a different context altogether. You started off going on about trans so you’re obviously falling over yourself to make a point which you know has no sound logic. ‘Feeble mind’ good one.
Nope, I'm talking about the complexities of defining biological sex, since there's no one characteristic that you can point to and say "this makes a biological man/woman."
Well, it is complex, but at the end it can be defined on a genetical level. That would be quite clear.
