In most cases. However, there are people who are intersex or similar which complicates things even though a separate issue to trans women participating in elite female sport.
We have male and female competitions for a reason - specifically so women can be recognised for their achievements based on merit. Trans women want to be recognised as women as they are women in their mind and imo right minded people should support that. However, a trans woman, particularly one who has gone through puberty as male, has an advantage that can't be totally removed or reliably adjusted for (even assuming it is ethical to medically adjust things like testosterone levels purely for sporting purposes). As soon as you get a trans woman winning in elite sport e.g. Lia Thomas, you can't escape the fact that they are much higher ranked as a woman than they were previously as a man, and therefore the cis women who do less well as a result are being disadvantaged. I'd like to think of a way that makes everyone happy but I just can't see how it is possible. And a separate transgender competition will not only have too few participants to work but would probably make trans people 'other" in a way that they want to get avoid. Maybe all we can do is seek the least shit option.
Thanks for making that decision for them.
Then explain why you wouldn't be in favour of scrapping the Manchester United women's team and simply decree that players of all sexes should compete for a place in a single team.
Isn't this usually because the TW they beat is an amateur making a step up to a higher level and can't bridge the skill gap? When it is the same levels of experience, the cis women seldom win?
They weren't.
When did 'biological man' even become a thing, ffs?
Well I recall a few years back now when all this started brewing online, people started claiming that you could change sex, so in response people started using biological male to differentiate between male gender and male sex.
What point are you trying to make? That the term ‘biological male’ is inherently insulting when discussing transgender sports? Because it’s not. It’s contextual, like most things.
i know the argument, it's just for me the least shit option is not to ban a subset of the population from participating in sports. there is no 100% equal playing field in any sport, you will always have some people naturally gifted and therefore advantaged over others. the only difference is people are seemingly happy for this advantage to be in place when the competition is purely cis, and not when there are trans people involved. i don't think it should matter, particularly as the numbers of trans people are so tiny, and there isn't a single dominant trans person force in any sport. someone is disadvantaged because of the inclusion of trans people? well women tennis players were disadvantaged participating in a sport when the williams' sisters were in their prime, too. there is no genuine equality in sports, that's partly what makes sports interesting.
no - lia thomas, to use as the obvious example people know about, routinely loses against cis women. she loses to cis woman more than she wins. it's just when she occasionally does wins everyone flips out.
then why did phelps dominate the men's field like no trans woman ever has in the women's field?
So would you be for PEDs in sport?
Because the most skilled and physically gifted males don't move to women competitions.
This is incorrect unfortunately.
Because trans people are an incredibly rare minority. Top athletes are also an incredibly rare minority as well. It's statistically unlikely.
Why the Williams sisters? Why not Graff?
i'm not denying she does better against women than when she competed in the men's division.
yes, almost like this is all just hysteric nonsense.
Making this argument is ignoring the existence of the entire rest of the women that competed in this event in the entire NCAA.
Too many people don't care about women when they talk about this topic. It's extremely strange, it's as if women are an afterthought.
if she comes third and therefore strips a cis woman of third, then so be it
Always. Combined with the anger when women put up boundaries.
Don't transwomen that have spent almost the entirety of their growth as male, have male skeletons and the related ligaments/muscle density?
And cardiovascular / respiratory advantages
If you think it’s not difficult do you think there is a simple solution? What do you think that is?
I forgot about that.
So you say the science is apparently all bullshit, and everyone's opinion is worthless, but you also think there should be barriers for hormone levels and that they might be too lenient?
i'm not ignoring it, i'm just saying trans women deserve the opportunity to participate with the rest of the other women.
given trans women are women, how is looking out for the rights of women not caring about women exactly?
please don't quote snippets of a post to make a point. what's the difference between a cis woman finishing 4th behind 2 other cis women and 1 other trans woman? all 3 of them likely had natural advantages over the woman who finished 4th, but it's only an issue when the woman is trans and not cis? do you see why that sounds problematic?
Do transwomen have the same bone structure than cis-women? Are transwomen females?
This is the point you seem to be continuously missing. For all intents and purposes, and in most facets of day to day life they are women. But trans women being women has a limitation - and that limitation is when we're talking specifically about the sporting arena. Do you understand this point?
i didn't realise bone structure was what defined a woman. what else, their ability to make babies?
That is quite the change of subject from what you actually typed.
Honestly, grow up. Most posters are debating this in good faith without your continuous moaning and whining.
clearly you don't bother reading.
