That is pretty much exactly how we are divided up here in the US also.
I guess the older the kids get, the more room there would be for compromise, for sure. Kids are more developed, more mature, etc. the would be more rrom to understand the needs of professional sports. Banning young teenagers from sports should a big no from everyone, but I guess there's where we're at.
It would at least solve one of the points those who support these bans bring up more often, which is some girls would miss on scholarships. And it's an important one to address because so many people get hung up on that, when the number of transgender girls who would get scholarships because of sports would be such a ridiculous small number, that wasting all this time and energy on this point is just a waste of everyone's time.
You're literally willing exclude a part of the population from something as healthy and important as sports in the name of some professionalized view of high school sports. That sounds pretty unhealthy to me.
Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying, let's have 50 players basketball teams
What would you do with the single transgender girl in the entire school who wants to play volleyball? A team just for her where she would play against other teams with one player each?
Quality post this one.
Your telling me you would give her a massive advantage over the rest? If so why? What is your reasoning?
Massive advantage? The most recent studies seem to show when kids transition very young, before starting high school sports, the advantages are minimal or nonexistent, depending on the sport. So why exclude this hypothetical girl from something as important as sports because of something so insignificant? I repeat, this is not the olympics we're talking about, it's high school volleyball.
Most children DONT transition very young, see this is why these arguments are pointless. I am
Are we suggesting that it's normal or desirable for kids between the age of 8 and 13, to transition?
No answer? What happened to being honest mate?
You are aware that recreational sports exist, right?
There are countless cases of kids that started with puberty blockers at that age and they are perfectly healthy and happy. So what's the problem?
Most aren’t even considered before 14-16, and even then it’s a minority. My problem and sadly I know it’s true, as the years go by this kind of change is going to become more of an option than a need.
Your Murican? Yes? Drug your kids and all will be ok….. USA! feck yeah!
Wow, really, tell me more?
Are they perfectly happy? How did they determined that they needed or wanted to transition? We are talking about 8 to 13 years old kids.
I'm portuguese, mate.
Man can you even remember being 6 or 9?
Yes, they are. Last Week Tonight did a show about this recently, you should give it a watch, it's brilliant seeing those kids so happy because they're allowed to be who they are.
Give me an example and il look and decide. But il stick my neck out and say no, a born male should not be competing in a female sport. There is simply a natural advantage, and if she wants to play she should play as a male, what’s the problem with that?
Yes, I remember primary school.
Oh yeah? I welcome you to quote where I literally said to exclude them from participating in sports. Competing against males =/= exclusion, last I checked.
Original comment: Sports are inherently a meritocracy and exclusionary.Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying, let's have 50 players basketball teams
Tonight? Your a talksport listener Yes?
So your 12?
What do you mean an example? There are literally millions of transgender kids who want to play sports.
Im pretty sure I thought I was a Power Ranger or a Hero Turtle, to fecking long ago I forgot.
How do school sports work in the US? Surely you have teams for everyone? B and C teams etc? Or do kids only play for the A team or not at all?
No need for that, let's clarify it right now. Should teenage transgender girls be able to complete in girls sports in school? Yes or no?
If you don't see the difference between telling a kid they failed at a goal and that's why they can't get in or telling a kid he can't get in because of who they are, then I guess that's that.
Depends on the size of the school and participation level within the sport... but generally, yes, there is a Varsity team, fed by a JV team, fed by a C team, fed by a D team. Smaller schools might only have a Varsity or Varsity & JV while large schools might have all 4.
Have they been diagnosed? Do you even comprehend how big a surgery is? This isn’t a case of having a hair cut mate, at some stage we need to look after our children, proper diagnosis, proper care and yes if it’s found they NEED transition, do it. It’s not a fecking raffle. We are doing more and more of no care, pop a pill and see you after school.
What? I'm talking about this:
What?
No, they should participate by competing for the male teams.
If you don't see that you're being completely hypocritical and moving the goal posts regarding what's meritocratic and exclusionary, then I guess that's that.
Mate, I just said these kids aren't undergoing surgery, just stuff like puberty blockers that can be reversed later on if necessary. What are you on about?
We know full well the girls will never accept sharing locker rooms with boys or the humiliation of having other decide who they are so yeah, you can pretend all you want you're giving them a choice, but you know you're not. That's even worse then outright denying it.
really? You dont it’s ok to block, u block puberty and not see any problems? I’ve been on anxiety meds for 5 years and honestly they feck you right up; no hormones involved.
