Qatar clearly can't afford it either. Ratcliffe is already offering a world record fee. The Glazers value us at an impossible price. He is negotiating a deal to get it done with a succession plan that makes sense for him. It's called being smart. Nobody can force an owner to sell. Nobody told Qatar they weren't allowed to negotiate a deal either. They didn't think of it.
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He isnt offering a world record fee. He’s only buying 51 percent of shares
A City treble and saggy bollocks taking over in the same week? kill me now
But the Glazers could still be told to feck off in 3 years? It's not like they are gonna stick around for another 20 years.
All the more reason to stay away. If it's state backed then it's been an utterly bizarre bid.
I'm not hoodwinked by any of the parties involved, and I'm certainly no cheerleader for Jassim, Qatar or anyone associated with them.
Call me a reductionist but I'm simply ranking the possible outcomes in terms of what would be worst for our club. I think the consensus is that Glazers staying would be the worse option, but Ratcliffe tagging along with the Glazers still involved still doesn't sit nicely for me. And yes I'm aware promises of investment does nothing to sway the Glazers since they only care about swindling the bottom line and getting out, its merely a PR exercise by Qatar, but do you not find it concerning that we've not heard of similar assurances from Ratcliffe? You'd think for someone who wants to leverage the sentimental angle in all this, it would have been an easy PR win if he also made similar assurances, but alas his silence has led me and others to believe that we're likely stuck with the debt and delayed investment.
Your projection of him having this masterplan of trying to get the Glazers out in the long term is conjecture at best. We don't know what his motivations are - it could be the prestige and vanity of owning United, could be a legacy gift for his kids, or for all we know we could also fancy it as a cash cow in its own right.
You keep dismissing these concerns as a merely emotional, but I'd argue you're far too comfortable at the prospect of Ratcliffe's ticket in all of this. His existing track record with owning clubs alone is enough to dignify those concerns.
We will see about that
They are offering a world record for a football club. What are you on about? Only reason why Brexit Jim is still in is because the 2 money sucking rat tailed Glazers want to keep a percentage of the club because they think the club will be worth 10bn one day. This is all just to buy their siblings out while they stay on pad their bank accounts and then sit back for years and hope the clubs value grows so they can bleed more from us
Except he is a horrible owner. Ask any nice fan what they think of him. If he can’t make nice competitive in the French league, how is he going to do that with us the prem?
I’m not getting behind any buyer who keeps the Glazers. All three of them can feck right off!
I will say it one time if Qatar doesn't get United they will move on to option 2 they want a front seat at the global football sports table
With a succession plan for full control, and a total value that values us at a world record fee which is how these things are announced anyway.
Nothing stopped Qatar from doing the same. They were not smart enough is literally the only point. Does it actually matter for us if they have 51% or 69% this summer? They have control which is the main thing. You get the deal done whatever way works. That's called being smart.
If they’re not serious about us based on the fact they’re can’t blow Ratcliffe out the water then Liverpool will be out the question.If Qatar buy the dippers, it will become an almighty tangle for the moralists on who to root for
I hope he doesn't go anywhere near them for advice.
Rival fans are celebrating now that Qatar is walking away. Just read the comments on these tweets.
100%, all the more certain after their regional blood rivals recent power moves in the sporting sphere. They don't want to be left in the dust.
Fortunately for them as well, no other club in the world would cost them nearly as much as Man United either
Both are not good signs either way (private or state backed).
If private his money is limited and people wanting him because of some unlimited money will be left disappointed. Also interesting no other Qatari or the state has jumped in and made a bid instead.
If state backed then why are they not bidding more? People claiming they don’t want to pay over the odds, etc. Didn’t stop them from paying over the odds for Mbappe and Neymar or making Mbappe more or less DOF and Manager and everything else in order to keep him.
It seems they are happy to just have PSG as their big club and have realised that it’s not the dream they thought, as 10+ years after take over PSG are closer to being the laughing stock of Europe than to winning the CL.
If private his money is limited and people wanting him because of some unlimited money will be left disappointed. Also interesting no other Qatari or the state has jumped in and made a bid instead.
If state backed then why are they not bidding more? People claiming they don’t want to pay over the odds, etc. Didn’t stop them from paying over the odds for Mbappe and Neymar or making Mbappe more or less DOF and Manager and everything else in order to keep him.
It seems they are happy to just have PSG as their big club and have realised that it’s not the dream they thought, as 10+ years after take over PSG are closer to being the laughing stock of Europe than to winning the CL.
You can tell my theory is true by understanding that Raine is in final negotiations with INEOS. Also, the Qatari bid have seen the complete opposite with a lack of communication/feedback from Raine.
Qatar have offered up almost double of what old wrinkle bollocks is offering...the only reason he's winning is because he will settle for 50% of the club and keep the hills have eyes trio on
I see peoples frustration at Qatar's human rights and the sports washing but without a doubt there's only 1 bid that takes this club forward and it's there's its that simple
Qatar are basically being punished for wanting to do the best for the club (clearing the debt/stadium etc) because the glazers want every possible penny.
Theres nobody willing to give the Glazers upwards of 6B and then invest a further 1B into the stadium and whatever it takes into the squad, not a single person on the planet its obscene
They can blow Ratcliffe out of the water, they’re just choosing not to. Have to draw a line somewhere, and they’re probably right to do so. I could pay £100 for a bag of walkers crisps, but I won’t.
Well, at least it's over now. This has been a farce, yet fitting all things considered.
I didn't realise you were in direct contact with Raine, I assumed you were just basing your opinions off what journalists who've been consistently wrong are saying
It is off course sad. Going from 1 Glazer, to 6 Glazers and now to 7 Glazers.
Qatar should go buy Spurs
And when they're challenging for the title and Jim is scrapping coppers together to still buy the club in 10 years id love to hear the opinion of those who wanted Jim in
And when they're challenging for the title and Jim is scrapping coppers together to still buy the club in 10 years id love to hear the opinion of those who wanted Jim in
He is gonna walk away on Friday,like others have said Ratcliffe and INEOS have had it wrapped up for a while. They are just waiting until the season is over to announce so protests are low key.
Nice was a mid table club with mid table finances and wages and have remained so. Not every owner takes over with the goal of transforming into an elite club. 99% don't. It's not a financially smart thing because you lose a shit ton of money doing that with a club not built for it. United is a club with one of the highest transfer spends year on year and one of the highest revenues in the world and one of the highest wages. All we need is to play to our actual spending level. We don't need ginormous investment to transform us from a mid table club to a top club with big revenues. We already are that. It's a completely different comparison.
People look at Brighton and how well they are run - they are in huge debts and have a Brighton fan who is funding that debt. If he ever gets bored, they are fecked. If Abu Dhabi gets bored, City are fecked. Nobody should want to be run in a way that they get fecked over if this random billionaire decides to feck off.
Which is what I’m saying if they can and won’t then same thing with Liverpool.
I keep hearing this but I don't think they're as disappointed as many make it out to be.
They're still cleaning up French titles almost every season, and can boast of elite superstars having played for their club. They haven't won the CL yet which will disappoint them, but I'd say its done enough to put them on the map (coupled to the world cup) in regards to sporting prestige.
This surely will get lost in the barrage of other comments, but figured I would point out that Keegan states:
"The Sheikh has also told those involved he will engage up until Friday. After then, the bid will stand, but there will be no further negotiations."
To me, this suggests the Qataris have more flexibility, but they are drawing a line in the sand where it sounds like the Glazers have to give them exclusivity or they are out. At long last, we might finally soon find out for sure if these leeches truly want to stay on.
Some are talking like this has been wrapped up based on what Jamie Jackson and Matt Lawton wrote, but I remain unconvinced one way or the other that there has really been anything decided. The Glazers siblings appear determined to make this as difficult as possible.
"The Sheikh has also told those involved he will engage up until Friday. After then, the bid will stand, but there will be no further negotiations."
To me, this suggests the Qataris have more flexibility, but they are drawing a line in the sand where it sounds like the Glazers have to give them exclusivity or they are out. At long last, we might finally soon find out for sure if these leeches truly want to stay on.
Some are talking like this has been wrapped up based on what Jamie Jackson and Matt Lawton wrote, but I remain unconvinced one way or the other that there has really been anything decided. The Glazers siblings appear determined to make this as difficult as possible.
United are a fillet mignon steak. I just love steak. In fact I'm craving for a nice juicy one.
That's bollocks though. PSG are run like a joke. Don't assume Qatar would run us like Abu Dhabi runs city. Nothing is stopping Qatar from making a deal that gets control now and then full ownership in 2 years. Absolutely nothing. If they wanted what was best, they would do that.bif they were smart negotiators, they would do that.
He is nothing like them, by judging his other football clubs, he is actually worse.
When do we think we're going to know who the preferred bidder is then?
This weekend? Presumably if the Sheikh withdraws on Friday night, we'll start getting leaks to that effect over the weekend?
This weekend? Presumably if the Sheikh withdraws on Friday night, we'll start getting leaks to that effect over the weekend?
SJR owns Nice
how has he run them ths far? have they been competitive?We still have no idea how much of a day the Glazers will have but this is definitely not Glazers OUT. So how any United fan can be in favour of SJR is a complete mystery to me.
Are you saying that INEOS took over Nice with no intention of improving them because they are already at their level? Why on earth did he purchase them then?
Well obviously they are not as disappointed that they will get rid off PSG. But also not as excited to invest huge sums in another big club / project.
The PGA-LIV merger is a perfect example of why there shouldn't be moral grandstanding over new ownership. State influence in sports is only going to become more present and if we end up getting Sir Jim with Glazer influence and in a few years time we have some state-linked shirt sponsor or something to that effect, the "moral choice" would have been all for naught. Take the bid that's in the best interest of the club's future.
Might start responding to posts in a similar way. Would expect a warning from mods though.
Pedantic point, but I don't think Jassim says he's withdrawing on Friday. He stated he's not willing to be involved in further negotiations. I could be wrong but I took that as more of 'heres my final offer, call me if/when you're ready to discuss'.
Compare the money they have compared to the rest of the league and then compare success in the league compared to the rest... Even just looking at players they have, they are massively underperforming since their takeover relative to their spend. On the pitch they are nowhere near the best sides in Europe, off the pitch they are entirely shambolic.
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