Who gives a feck if people say we bought success? People said that under fergie, they also said we only won because he had the refs in his pocket. If you're waiting for other fans to give us credit for our achievements you'll be waiting forever
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About what?
It's really funny because our spending with Man City has not been dissimilar.
That "bought success" narrative is tiresome. It doesn't apply to clubs that were already massive and had to fight with an arm tied behind our back. The only thing Jassim or Ratcliff do is untie us.
How bad?
They said SJR has been the front runner, what was wrong in that? Since the last bid in April, the only one to up his bid is Jassim, which is a clear indication that SJR was a front runner.
The new bid came in last week and changed the landscape, still the club is not sold, so I dont get what the journalist have said is wrong?
This is a United fans forum and people have the right to express their opinion.
Although I think people misunderstand EtH if they think he's somehow worried his potential success in 5 years could be tainted by actually having the resources which correspond to our club.
How is it tiresome?
If Man City didn't buy success answer me this.
Before Arab money, where were Man City?
https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Art...rachat-de-manchester-united-par-ineos/1401663
SJR to spend United money on Nice if he loses the bid.
SJR to spend United money on Nice if he loses the bid.
You posted that Sir Jim was still leading the bid and 20 mins later you are all in a twist about the club losing it soul to the ME.
they actually didnt say that about Fergusons tenure. More people used to point to the fact they even managed a double in 95/96 without even spening a penny.
Blackburn if I remember correctly were far more accused of buying success in the mid 90's than us
Yeah for Liverpool, Arsenal, City, Newcastle, Chelsea.
Seriously though, who gives a feck who the owners are?
It's a football club, not a charity.
It's not like you get points for having "morally good owners".
The feck do i know if Jim fecks labradoodles and hunts endangered species all over the world in his spare time or helps young african kids build a school with mud.
Don't care.
It's a football club, not a charity.
It's not like you get points for having "morally good owners".
The feck do i know if Jim fecks labradoodles and hunts endangered species all over the world in his spare time or helps young african kids build a school with mud.
Don't care.
Or they’ve been absolutely played just like old Jim? One report from the Times said Jim was wrapping it up, he’s been in advanced negotiations for weeks. Absolute BS.
British press are so out of the loop on this they’re guessing on a 2 horse race, they can’t get hold of Qatar so are going with the narrative that Jim is confident…awful
Well I'm thinking about the mid 2000s the period i remember best, ferdinand, Rooney British record fees. He absolutely was accused of buying success then
It's not about people saying it, it's about us knowing it as fans.
Loads of people, very clearly.
Top Reds are sad that the Glazers will finally be out. They've out done themselves this time.
Who made that a rule?
In general state ownership will be regarded as state ownership, and United unsurprisingly won't get a special pass on the criticism that entails just because some United fans try claiming their case is oh so different and special.
Oh, Nice is gonna dominate Europe with such a huge inject of money then.
Interesting that Jim owns a club nicknamed "Le Gym"
Isn’t that evened out by saying we are only where we are now because if the Glazers handicapping the highest club in the world?
It’s not as if we can spend more than We make thanks to ffp so Qatar money means little to us. It’s all about the debt and stadium which have nothing to do with on the pitch performances
Shall we forget who we are and operate under Glazer rules for the rest of the clubs existence so we can point to other fans and say they think it’s fair?
Okay and we have reports now saying its done and its imminent, which means today. Lets see if there is an official announcement today, if not, then the Qatari journalists know as much as any of us really.
No. For Manchester United.
First bit of defeat spin by old Jimmy boy?
You'll be banned permanently if you do it again. Don't wum, especially in this thread.
it's not about how much money you have it's about how you spend it.i think we've spent more money than city in the last 5 years.a different owner with a different policy that's where the success lies.there's nothing wrong with a new owner who is going to upgrade the club but when we talk about performance we have now learned that spending a lot of money is no guarantee for success. Manchester United is the biggest club in the world so we won't lose face if jassim wins. Just enjoy
But we wouldn't know it as fans, the Glazers have taken over a billion out of the club over the last 18 years, being able to spend that money isn't buying success it's just righting the wrongs of the last two decades
Completely missing the point.
I think so, too, but we seem to be in a position where both bidders think they have won it, which means the Glazers' plan is to string them both along for as long as possible to the point of leading both sides to believe they have it - we must surely be nearing decision time now because this cannot go on much longer.
It might not take a day though we might not hear anything for a week who knows? I can’t see any official statement being made until the papers are signed there’s too much money in the line
How sad a person do you have to be to post that on a Utd forum. Good one
We're not Man City, mate. Even before the potential Saudi ownership, we're already spending about as much as FFP allows. I don't expect our transfer spending to increase much following the purchase. It can't.
What we will be able to do though, is renovate the stadium and training/youth set-up, and clear the debt. Which I'm sure we can all agree is a good thing.
It's about morality too. But having read through this thread, it's very clear most people don't care about that.
off the back of a decade of major success it would be odd if Man Utd werent breaking British Transfer records at the time. It was soon to be very much surpassed by Chelsea whom we still ended up getting the better of despite having the fraction of their resources.. You wont get that same feeling ever again now
Yes but we have been successful pre Glazers. Even though the Glazers have bee really bad, we still have spent money to try and be the best, sometimes a top tier manager comes along and you cant do anything about it, which is what Pep is.
Yet SJR hasn’t upped his bid since?
What if…
- Neither of them were front runners but both of them were told that the decision hadn’t yet been made?
- Qatar were proactive and kept pushing the envelope.
- Ratcliffe was already at his (self imposed) financial limit and the best he could do was get creative with factors of minority ownership.
- The Glazers have always wanted a full sale and had no real interest in being minority owners under Ratcliffes control but Raine knew they could use the threat to leverage pressure on the
I have only one question for you and people who've raised a similar argument. Has this been your consistent thought process through the years? With Chelsea, City and Newcastle, did you honestly never raise the oil/blood money or bought the success questions?
Or has it just changed because we may become one of them?
Absolutely terrible post. You're aware people dont wake up and decide oh I'm gonna be a fan of United and then switch the club they support on a whim?
That's all we were ever accused of.
Those claims died down a bit when Roman bought Chelsea and disappeared when Abu Dhabi bought City.
People are so insecure about what rival fans think about us. How many were praising us under Fergie? Absolutely none. It was all bribes and money that brought our success back then.
One thing I'm looking forward to if Qatar do win is the cognitive dissonance of the virtue signallers when they have to follow through with their threats to stop watching.
Yes I want Jassim to win the bid like many others,however I also think it's important to understand the ones who feel conflicted. This has been a massive part of their lives so consideration for that is important.
‘So you’re telling me there’s a chance!’- Lloyd Christmas
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Let's be honest though, had Chelsea not come in. We'd have signed essien and Robben and yeah it would have been fun as fans, but without Chelsea or City coming in We'd likely be the bayern Munich of the Premier league and have it far less competitive
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