So you can care about their human rights issues and it's possible that won't impact your relationship with United if they buy them?
^ this right here. We're more than a soulless trophy churning factory.
How come if you support a Qatar bid its logic but all the clothes / products you buy from Apple, Nike, Addidas which are manufactured in Asia violating human rights, child labour etccc is fine and ignored?
This is my stance. In the end I support Manchester United and watch football during my free time. I want the club to win trophies again to gain more enjoyment from watching the sport rather than looking at a club so badly run it's infuriating. State ownership clears the debt and will invest in a new stadium. I'm sure all United fans want that. State ownership should have been blocked when the UAE took over Manchester City. Now the Saudis have a Premier League club as well. The FA and potentially the UK government haven't blocked it, even with all the known human rights violations, because everyone loves money. These countries have a resource which gives them unlimited wealth. The UK wants/needs their money. United have no choice but state ownership to compete with the elite clubs in my opinion. You either ride the wave or get left behind. I would much rather it was us than Qatar taking over Liverpool, Spurs or Arsenal.
There's no doubt Ratcliffe is a piece of work alright. And yet between him and Qatar he's still the lesser of two evils.
What are you trying to say?
Still better than having the leeches stay on in any capacity.
What should we do about our imperial past?
Saying supporting United under Qatar ownership means you dont care about Human rights is the same as wearing any piece of clothing from Asia, is the same as not caring from human rights?
I wouldn't read too much into this since the stock price seems to be swinging based on Qatari social media sentiment, as opposed to hard knowledge of a certain outcome.
This post sums up my feelings perfectly
Agreed, but it's interesting that abnormal levels of trading continues even after cold water being poured on the speculations.
Well said.
Council/Govt rather than the King. It was hundreds of millions in the early 2000’s.
Check post 66565 and the responses to it.
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You’re now being wilfully ignorant (and also needlessly rude to me as a person for some reason). You know full well that my post is in reply to you stating that ‘romance’ is dead in football and specifically, for you at Man Utd. That’s the context of everything I’m replying to.
He is right. He is asking questions to see if you are a hypocrite or not. Your stance on Qatari ownership is very clear although you have 0 facts showing that it is a state bid and Jassim or 9-2 foundation are personally involved in human rights violations. On the other hand you have agreed that Ineos are a horrific company with documented horrendous working rights and environmental records whilst Ratcliffe himself is a liar, hypocrite building a 2 billion plant in Saudi Arabia. If it is not clear I will ask on behalf of the poster again: is your protesting against human and environmental rights violations selective or not?
Its not the same, there would be more outcry if it happened in a non western country, unfortunately that's how the world is (we live in the west). I'm not saying its a good thing or a bad thing, I'm saying that's how it is.
Spot f..cking on.
It's not clearly false - it depends entirely what the club is worth. I can afford an Aston Martin if they are going for a tenner.
Whataboutism gets tiring.
Not at all. Maybe just my lefty echo chamber but the Kapernik thing took up more column inches than any story from Qatar outside the world cup.
Okay, so Real Madrid sold their training ground which was situated in the middle of Madrid, the EU investigated that sale and found no wrong doing. The actual issue that the EU had represented 18.4m€.
Do you?
Wilko ‘basic’ range, painted on by a senile handyman who (vaguely) remembers when you could buy black pudding at Old Trafford for Tupenny bit and agrees wholeheartedly with Ratcliffe’s Brexit stance
Meanwhile the leaking roof is fixed with budget silicone sealant by ‘club legend’ Chris Eagles after Ratcliffe unveils him as the new caretaker of the stadium - ‘Chris will be here, on hand day and night to convert Old Trafford back into the Theatre of Dreams’.
The Glazers are given ‘infinity contracts’ as senior advisors for all eternity, with their consciousnesses being downloaded upon death into an indestructible AI system so that they can continue to guide Man Utd until the Universe implodes.
And anyone who says they’ve had enough of it is pointed at like in ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’ and screeched at - ‘feck off and support City then’.
I think its too plain and simple saying if you support the Qatar bid, you do not care about human rights... does that mean anyone living in the country or has any associations with them, do not care about human rights?
This is more than column inches as an example: https://www.business-humanrights.or...for-teams-to-boycott-2022-world-cup-in-qatar/
No I dont actually, I wont lie. I dont have the time to carry out due diligence.
I do sense a lot of entitlement around here at the moment. 99% of football fans never see their team win anything. Of course I would like to see United be competitive again, but not at ‘any’ cost.
Brilliant
