I've followed this thread on and off and its the same stuff over and over again. I just find it funny how people are disgusted and up in arms over a Qatari taking over United because of human rights issues (that he personally *may* not be guilty of personally, could hold a different viewpoint altogether, I dont know the guy). There are soooo many things connected to Qataris/Saudis etc, people just dont look enough or don't want to look because they'd realise that alot of the things they enjoy are tainted.
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It's now speculation that 9-2 foundation legal team might be in NY because of NYSE #Man Utd listing and needing to sign documents with the exchange besides Raine group. If Raine breaks the news the stock might be halted prior. Hoping for more very soon.
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It's now speculation that 9-2 foundation legal team might be in NY because of NYSE #Man Utd listing and needing to sign documents with the exchange besides Raine group. If Raine breaks the news the stock might be halted prior. Hoping for more very soon.
Do you need to wear Nike clothes to live and function in society? Do you need an iphone?
Don`t confuse need with want
It`s possible to make lifestyle choices that have impacts on society and the planet if you place them above your want for something by doing without it
Screw Richmond (from a Bombers fan)
"Stupid". Braindead". Great arguments. If you are going to be patronising, expect to be called out for hypocrasy.
I just posted what this guy complained about
You are right here. Trying to justify buying "tainted" products because you need them when you could find alternatives that are more ethically made. Don't get me wrong I own an iPhone, I wear Adidas etc.. but I don't claim that there aren't any issues with how these items are made.
Probably not a great idea to use the British Government as a guide for our moral compasses though.
You might be a genuine good person in real life but your tone is coming across pretty badly here. Get down off your high horse and educate rather than dictate.
I hope I'm wrong but I think there's at least a week to go yet. Both bidders have reached their maximum, but the Glazers will still try and squeeze some more out before selling. Qatar announced their last bid was final, so the Glazers have had to play it cool for a bit. Their next step will be to leak that the Ineos bid is slightly preferable, even though it isn't, and they are close to agreeing it. Qatar will play it cool for a while and then re-state that their final bid was indeed their final bid, but that it is still on the table. The Glazers will play it cool a bit longer, then accept they can't get any more and agree. Qatar, end of next week. If there is anything in this theory we can expect stories about how the Ineos bid is better quite soon.
And so the wheel of hell continues until the end of time.
So would you be cheering hard if, under Jassim, then United win the League title?
And we're back to the people have to be against every injustice and evil in the world or give a feck about nothing logic.
Stop cheering it on?
Such wit.
You know what you are.
Qatar has had what, 3 final bids now? I think they'd likely bid again if needed. Their offer is so much more straightforward than SJRs.
Seems like INEOS bid is an absolute nightmare that would result in not only issues now, but further issues down the line, possibly including lawsuits and issues with the Glazers too
Do you need Nike clothes in particular? No. But you need clothes, and you'll have a hard time going through life without buying any clothes that come without some moral baggage. Especially if you need to buy cheaper clothes for economic reasons.
Ditto smartphones. I don't need an Iphone in particular (and indeed don't have one), but I absolutely need a smartphone to function in society, not least because it is essential to the job/career that provides me with money for food, heat, shelter. And I take it a read that the manufacturing of whatever phones/laptops I use will at some point carry some negative consequences.
Absolutely nobody with an ounce of common sense would expect the moral threshold required to give these things up to be the same as the moral threshold required to be against state ownership of the team you support, something that carries literally zero practical consequences in your life.
It's a ridiculous argument that I don't believe people actually make with any sincerity, because I don't believe they're that stupid. Just extremely disingenuous.
Just to counter this point changing jobs is not a major life decision in my opinion, but I am a contractor and choose to swap jobs every few months as well as sometimes the work being completed and time to move on.
Changing teams would be far more impactive and is more of a deep personal connection for decades of my life.
I have a long term GF and home but I don’t need to change country or location as I live in London and most roles I do are somewhat remote.
Maybe if I had kids it would be different but I’m not so sure.
I don't understand why INEOS is only bidding for part of the club and not 100%. If it is because they lack funding to do so, what chance that they will invest in infrastructure when they have not committed to do so?
On the other hand, why does SJ not just make an offer for part of the club? They would blow Ineos out of the water. After they have control, they can do what they will at their own pace?
Some of the things don't make sense to me.
On the other hand, why does SJ not just make an offer for part of the club? They would blow Ineos out of the water. After they have control, they can do what they will at their own pace?
Some of the things don't make sense to me.
Because they think it's the only way to beat Jassim's gang? Who knows.
I think most people would disagree. How you spend about half your waking hours is quite major.
Don't be obtuse. You know why I wrote that. It's not aimed at those that don't force their view on others by being patronising.
Oops sorry. I edited, thanks Spoony. Included the flip side as well.
Why are you talking about yourself in the past tense?
Because the Glazers don't own 100% of the club so they can't sell 100% of it.
The unfortunate aspect in this saga is that the Glazers have no feeling at all for the club, their interest remains solely on themselves and money. The fact that dragging it on may lead to failings to strengthen the playing roster and further delay outgoings mean nothing if they can squeeze another dollar from the purchasers.
When their whole rationale in buying the club for so little outlay was ultimate income and profit, here we are. Exacerbated by promoting a hooray Henry into the Chief Executive role as a reward and watching his failure in transfers and stadium improvements continue without comment, confirm they are the worst type of owners. The sooner they are relieved of ownership, the quicker the club can rebound.
When their whole rationale in buying the club for so little outlay was ultimate income and profit, here we are. Exacerbated by promoting a hooray Henry into the Chief Executive role as a reward and watching his failure in transfers and stadium improvements continue without comment, confirm they are the worst type of owners. The sooner they are relieved of ownership, the quicker the club can rebound.
Regardless of whether you think it's a major life decision or not, it is unquestionably a bigger decision than deciding you don't want state-ownership of United.
Because all the latter requires from you is literally that thought and nothing else. You don't have to do anything, you don't have to say anything and it has zero impact on what will actually happen.
So trying to compare the strength of moral feeling required to hold that opinion with the strength of moral feeling required to change your job and emigrate is insane.
I'm not being obtuse at all mate, you made basically the same point yesterday then said you hadn't.
No one should be held to that standard it's nonsense.
I think so, as I would still be a United fan. And I don't expect anyone else to stop being a United fan either.
I just won't be as happy supporting United under state ownership as I would be other ownership. And that would probably change the way I consume football, as the criticism United's ownership would correctly get in the media would be a drag. I wouldn't be on this forum any more for a start, as it would be easier to enjoy the actual football without being exposed to the constant noise.
I am and will remain a United supporter for ever and ever amen - whatever the outcome.
Better now?
Never mind all of that.
We now have a woodpecker dropping by the peanut feeder most days.
He is called Basil.
Named him after Basil Fawlty because he was always being pecked at by Sybil.
I dont see anyone criticising City's owners or Newcastle's in the media. Instead there has been a wankfest. It depends really. If we go PsG route of making a fool of ourselves in every department, then yeah. But if we start playing amazing football nobody will care about ownership model etc.
As for me, my public support for Utd might end. No more status, stories or posts about how great Utd are. I dont want to draw any attention through that medium. I would still support the club as a state ownership cant take something away from me which is important to me.
Oh no, I'm obnoxious in real life too.
Prior to the Al Watan, lost in translation, tweet which led in turn to the dry run celebration/suicide watch Monday evening/Tuesday morning madness, there was a suggestion that the Glazers were going to meet on Tuesday.
Given the previous, it would be logical to assume that the flagging bidder is now being given, due to the Glazers generosity, using the Phil Jones - never leave a man behind approach, an opportunity to finagle their finalest bid.
We should assume now that there will be an emergency meeting of the Glazer clan, possibly as early as next Tuesday, subject to AV’s hairdressing appointment, with the local miracle worker, being rescheduled.
Given the previous, it would be logical to assume that the flagging bidder is now being given, due to the Glazers generosity, using the Phil Jones - never leave a man behind approach, an opportunity to finagle their finalest bid.
We should assume now that there will be an emergency meeting of the Glazer clan, possibly as early as next Tuesday, subject to AV’s hairdressing appointment, with the local miracle worker, being rescheduled.
Sorry. I was joking. I more meant that you seemed to be posting from beyond the grave. This thread’ll do that to you.
Basil would much prefer fat balls, especially the expensive RSPB ones. So would lots of other things as well, costs me a bleeding fortune.
I have fat balls. Ahem.
The jackdaws obliterate them though.
Any actual news today or is this thread just people still arguing about state backed ownership?
@Carl I think a 15 year veteran such as yourself already knows that answer to that question.
You are completely missing the basis here. You are making it out like I aim it at those take a stand on isolated issues - I'm not. Only those that force their stand on others by being patronising.
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