Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"

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I've never seen the fascination with wreck diving in person, it's better left to ROV's and video camera's and laser scanners. I've always felt creeped out when diving near wrecks that had crew onboard. I much prefer seeing the natural flora and fauna and that is far more interesting at shallower depths.

The deep ocean is a weird and fascinating place, but it's never somewhere I'd go and visit myself. I'll watch the video feed from the ROV from the comfort of a lovely stable support vessel.

What's shocking about this is that you can clearly see that other ROV's have got more recovery systems onboard than these guys seem to have had even though they had people onboard.
I've done lots of wreck diving. It is awesome.
 

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They could probably extend the oxygen supply by ganging up on the owner and killing him since it’s his fault.
 

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Why did they take 8 hours to raise the alarm that it was missing?
 

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They could probably extend the oxygen supply by ganging up on the owner and killing him since it’s his fault.
If this was a psychological thriller movie only one passenger will be found alive after the five of them realised the oxygen supply spread thin and time was running out. An underwater battle royale.
 

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Exactly. It was just a passenger ship that sunk. A big one, sure, but just a passenger ship. If James Cameron hadn’t made that shitty movie, this wouldn’t have happened.

The Titanic was and would be a huge story without that film.

Everyone would know the story of the unsinkable ship that sunk first time out.

The Captain who said even God himself couldn't sink this ship
 

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I don't get the fascination for the Titanic anyway. Of course, it was a horrific disaster, but the way they keep going on about it like it happened last week, 110 years later, I don't get it.

A load of rich guys spending £200K to go down in a vessel which has never undergone any formal safety testing or certification, you'd have thought they would have more sense.
I thought the same and I then tried to think about this another way and say 'what if this was something i had devoted many hours of my life to studying or just being generally interested in and what if i had the rarest chance to actually see it in person. Would i take the chance?' my answer was still 'not in that death trap'.
 

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I thought the same and I then tried to think about this another way and say 'what if this was something i had devoted many hours of my life to studying or just being generally interested in and what if i had the rarest chance to actually see it in person. Would i take the chance?' my answer was still 'not in that death trap'.
And yet a diving expert who had already visited the wreck did, bizarre.
 

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That's because it's fundamentally an educational thing - a way of making sure people don't forget the atrocities committed upon an entire race of people in the name of ideology. You tend not to get people posing there next to the gates and remains of the gas chambers with grinning faces for consumption on social media.
There's a fair bit of that unfortunately. It makes a surreal place even more surreal, Auschwitz is like Disneyland for the holocaust. Also you get whole swathes of people pointing their phones at the main 'attractions' (hair, shoes, bags, etc) and not actually being educated in the slightest but instead putting those photos on social media for clout.
 

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I think the one thing that would have rang alarm bells for me and cause me not to do this is the price. A quarter million sounds far too cheap for something like this.
 

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And yet a diving expert who had already visited the wreck did, bizarre.
I kind of meant more from the perspective of someone who isn't a diving expert but had the money to pay for it. As that video demonstrated, even a person with zero knowledge of this stuff would look at the sub and be a little worried.
 

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I think the Titanic conspiracies are way more fun than the actual movie or shipwreck itself. It's supposed to be switched with an older, damaged ship and then deliberately crashed in order to secure an insurance payment.
 

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I kind of meant more from the perspective of someone who isn't a diving expert but had the money to pay for it. As that video demonstrated, even a person with zero knowledge of this stuff would look at the sub and be a little worried.
No I know, but there's a guy in the sub who not only knows the risks because they've previously experienced them (in a certified vessel) but was comfortable going down there in a vessel that is clearly unsafe. This guy was capable of identifying more red flags than your average rich punter and still went ahead with it.
 

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No I know, but there's a guy in the sub who not only knows the risks because they've previously experienced them (in a certified vessel) but was comfortable going down there in a vessel that is clearly unsafe. This guy was capable of identifying more red flags than your average rich punter and still went ahead with it.
These are people with a mindset of "you've just gotta think about the reward/benefit and decide for yourself whether it's worth the risk", completely bonkers imo.
 

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feck me, a friend of my brother's used to enjoy rock climbing, but when he got married and was starting a family, he gave it up because he didn't want to risk leaving his kids without a father. It's common sense.
I did something similar. I used to go to the gym six days a week, run three times a week, and eat clean. But once I met my missus and managed to snare her I decided that I couldn't risk weights falling on me, or a crow flying into my skull whilst I was sprinting through a park, or choking on tuna or salads. Since then I have lived a safe life watching TV on my fattened arse - which would cause a crow to bounce away - and I have a diet exclusively made up of chocolate and pizza, foods famous for their healthy, chokeless qualities.
 

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I think the Titanic conspiracies are way more fun than the actual movie or shipwreck itself. It's supposed to be switched with an older, damaged ship and then deliberately crashed in order to secure an insurance payment.
I loved the Federal Reserve and JP Morgan one. Can't believe it's the first time I'm hearing of it.
 

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Yes, because PS controllers are well known to have ABXY on the buttons.



The video I saw was even worse - just a tiny little compartment where a bottle is stored to piss in. Sub doesn't look big enough to have a shitbucket
Evidently passengers are advised to restrict their diet in the days before the voyage, for exactly this reason.
 

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These are people with a mindset of "you've just gotta think about the reward/benefit and decide for yourself whether it's worth the risk", completely bonkers imo.
They probably assumed that the vessel couldn’t be “lost” in this day and age.

I guess there’s always the risk of implosion when in the deep, but I find it incredible that a submarine on a tourist trip could so easily drop completely off the radar without a trace, or seemingly have no emergency mechanisms in place to at least slowly bring it back to surface in case of a problem.
 

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with there being five of them onboard, they should just breathe directly into each other’s mouths and get an endless supply of air.
 

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I did something similar. I used to go to the gym six days a week, run three times a week, and eat clean. But once I met my missus and managed to snare her I decided that I couldn't risk weights falling on me, or a crow flying into my skull whilst I was sprinting through a park, or choking on tuna or salads. Since then I have lived a safe life watching TV on my fattened arse - which would cause a crow to bounce away - and I have a diet exclusively made up of chocolate and pizza, foods famous for their healthy, chokeless qualities.
:lol:
 

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Imagine paying that amount, to realise that you don’t even get a chair to sit on, an empty milk carton from target to piss in and see them navigating using a game controller. Hope it’s not a simple case of running out of double AA power because the cheepskate bought batteries from Aldi
 

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with there being five of them onboard, they should just breathe directly into each other’s mouths and get an endless supply of air.
An elaborate human centipede with eggy boffs would be just as good.
 

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Imagine paying that amount, to realise that you don’t even get a chair to sit on, an empty milk carton from target to piss in and see them navigating using a game controller. Hope it’s not a simple case of running out of double AA power because the cheepskate bought batteries from Aldi
I want to emphasise again that I don’t think 250.000 (Dollars I guess?) is enough for something like this. There’s a crew involved. Everything takes days. They need a ship to get to the point where they dive. There needs to be maintenance. How in the world does this come down to a quarter million? Shouldn’t it be much more expensive?
 

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The memes are outstanding. It's obviously a tragedy but it is ultimately self inflicted. I just hope they were all fully aware of the risk.
 

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More positivity from Marquet

With the trapped Titan passengers likely out of oxygen, retired Navy captain David Marquet said Thursday "the probability is perilously close to zero that we will be able to recover them alive."

The Titan had 96-hours worth of oxygen, Marquet told NBC News' Tom Costello.

"Things generally work up to the design spec, but they don’t somehow magically last beyond the design spec," Marquet said, referring to the oxygen estimates.
 

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If this was a psychological thriller movie only one passenger will be found alive after the five of them realised the oxygen supply spread thin and time was running out. An underwater battle royale.
I think we could win an Oscar for that. It would be like 12 Angry Men or that movie with Tom Hardy driving in a car for 90 mins.
 

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I want to emphasise again that I don’t think 250.000 (Dollars I guess?) is enough for something like this. There’s a crew involved. Everything takes days. They need a ship to get to the point where they dive. There needs to be maintenance. How in the world does this come down to a quarter million? Shouldn’t it be much more expensive?
There are 3 paying guests on the craft, plus pilot and a 'content expert' I believe. 750k for one dive seems like it would fund that easily?
 

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I want to emphasise again that I don’t think 250.000 (Dollars I guess?) is enough for something like this. There’s a crew involved. Everything takes days. They need a ship to get to the point where they dive. There needs to be maintenance. How in the world does this come down to a quarter million? Shouldn’t it be much more expensive?
You want people to pay more? He’s just made 750,000 from one dive. Imagine they have 1 per week.

maintenance..judging by the owners attitude, I wonder if it just gets a “lick and a promise”
 

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You want people to pay more? He’s just made 750,000 from one dive. Imagine they have 1 per week.

maintenance..judging by the owners attitude, I wonder if it just gets a “lick and a promise”
That’s what I mean. For all this to be safe, I think it would need to be more expensive. That’s why I wouldn’t have been comfortable with this in the first place.
 

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They're sending and deploying another advanced ROV, but it wont be at the site until 50-60 hours from now... Surely no longer a rescue mission by then?
Why it wasn't approved to be sent earlier, when it could make a difference, is beyond me. Now it's just pointless, other than to find the wreckage
 

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Why it wasn't approved to be sent earlier, when it could make a difference, is beyond me. Now it's just pointless, other than to find the wreckage
These advanced subs are not just lying around for incidents to happen and shipped via plane or helicopter onto the deck of another ship, plus for all we know they were pre-occupied in deep sea missions / surveys etc when this happened. I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as "hoist them up Popeye" and ship them over to Titanic. They are extremely specialised and needs specialised boats to go with them, hence why the French one took 2 / 3 days to sail there.

I agree, it's frustrating as hell though
 

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These advanced subs are not just lying around for incidents to happen and shipped via plane or helicopter onto the deck of another ship, plus for all we know they were pre-occupied in deep sea missions / surveys etc when this happened. I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as "hoist them up Popeye" and ship them over to Titanic. They are extremely specialised and needs specialised boats to go with them, hence why the French one took 2 / 3 days to sail there.

I agree, it's frustrating as hell though
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