Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"

[Ayoba]

Sounds shite. $250k to get a tiny view that you have to share

That's like £2.50 for billionaires though

 

[That'sHernandez]

I figured it was less about the migrants and more about spoiled rich people you're not the only one anyways

It's both really; these people wouldn't be getting the coverage they are if they weren't obscenely rich. I don't really get what the Thai Cave kids have to do with it? There are different vulnerabilities involved; one is where people have knowingly put themselves in harm's way to see something they could see without putting themselves in harm's way, the other happened by accident.

 

[mu4c_20le]

It's both really; these people wouldn't be getting the coverage they are if they weren't obscenely rich. I don't really get what the Thai Cave kids have to do with it? There are different vulnerabilities involved; one is where people have knowingly put themselves in harm's way to see something they could see without putting themselves in harm's way, the other happened by accident.

It also had disproportionate media coverage. I'm sure you didn't mean that, but your post could have come off as having a dig at the rest of us for giving more attention to this story than other tragedies. I'm not defending media either, but the unusualness of the situation is probably a bigger factor than apathy. Imo.

 

[Scandi Red]

If they're still alive then they only got between 17 and 41 hours of oxygen left.

And if it gets as cold as 1 degree celcius as someone else mentioned, then surely hypothermia is another factor.

 

[decorativeed]

Did you say the same about the Thai cave diving kids?

I figured it was less about the migrants and more about spoiled rich people you're not the only one anyways

What are you on about, here?

Can you seriously not see the difference between:

A) People being concerned that a dozen children were trapped in a potentially lethal situation after placing their trust in the adult who was in charge of their group to keep them safe,

and;

B) A handful of adults who have spent a quarter of a million each and signed a 'you could die doing this' waver in order to gawp at the tragic final resting place of over 1,500 people (including 53 children) at the bottom of a notoriously treacherous part of the ocean?

Personally, my levels of sympathy are vastly different.

 

[Mickeza]

"People in Canada are so nice because every jerk and moron in the country is sent to work at Toronto airport"
I'm only halfway through but that podcast isn't bad.

It was a rather funny podcast! Also noted the issues he observed with shit not working and how in testing it had been stuck down there for 27 hours.

 

[DOTA]

B) A handful of adults who have spent a quarter of a million each and signed a 'you could die doing this' waver in order to gawp at the tragic final resting place of over 1,500 people (including 53 children) at the bottom of a notoriously treacherous part of the ocean?

What's the expiry on this sentiment? 111 years feels distant enough to go look at a shipwreck without being accused of this kind of violation.

 

[ChrisNelson]

What's the expiry on this sentiment? 111 years feels distant enough to go look at a shipwreck without being accused of this kind of violation.

I agree.

No one is saying it wasn't tragic but it's an important part of relatively recent history.

Many, many more died at Auschwitz and that seems to be accepted as a tourist attraction.

 

[wr8_utd]

At the depths it operates you wouldn't be able to open any door to escape as the pressure is too great. you could have a door that was openable from the inside once you are closer to the surface, but this would be very expensive and require a lot of engineering to make it work at the pressures they are going down to.

It is much cheaper and easier to have a "one way only" closing mechanism that can deal with the compression a metal cylinder goes under at these pressures / depths.

It's tethered to a submersible landing platform that can just be towed to a location by any sort of medium sized vessel. Normally these sort of things are launched from highly sophisticated support vessels with specialised cranes and back-up options.

When the vessel is ready to come up it returns to the submerged landing platform, which then does a controlled final safety ascent to ensure you don't get anyone suffering from the bends.

In response to the other persons questions about how far away it is likely to be...this depends on how they have had to re-surface (if they actually can) If they do have the ability to lose some ballast then they will ideally come up in a gentle way, but with no power they won't be able to control this so will drift with currents that can be difficult to track from the surface.

If they do have some other sort or rapid ascent option - an inflatable buoy / marker then their ascent will be more rapid / closer to last known position but it may come at the cost of some pretty bad side effects that require urgent hospitalisation and oxygen to prevent death.

I'm more than a little concerned that a lot of the "safety features" seem to have been on the platform rather than the vessel itself and if that's the case...then this might become solely a recovery operation.

Thank you. Great posts.

 

[Varun]

You'd have to pay me 250k to get into one of these trips and even then I don't think it would.

 

[decorativeed]

What's the expiry on this sentiment? 111 years feels distant enough to go look at a shipwreck without being accused of this kind of violation.

I dont think there is one, personally. I don't think poking around down there and posing for a shot smiling next to wreckage (as posted above) is really a respectful gesture. Museums are starting to rethink the way they display human remains plundered from various ancient civilisations because of changes in sentiment with regard to how we treat the dead, and I'm on board with that.

 

[decorativeed]

I agree.

No one is saying it wasn't tragic but it's an important part of relatively recent history.

Many, many more died at Auschwitz and that seems to be accepted as a tourist attraction.

That's because it's fundamentally an educational thing - a way of making sure people don't forget the atrocities committed upon an entire race of people in the name of ideology. You tend not to get people posing there next to the gates and remains of the gas chambers with grinning faces for consumption on social media.

Funnily enough, the educational lessons of 'lets not spend lavish amounts of cash to feck about in the dangerous waters of the deepest oceans' may actually be served well by these events.

 

[NicolaSacco]

What's the expiry on this sentiment? 111 years feels distant enough to go look at a shipwreck without being accused of this kind of violation.

Agreed, I think once an event is beyond the living memory of any living person then that line of argument is definitively closed.

Also, eloquently put!

 

[DOTA]

I dont think there is one, personally. I don't think poking around down there and posing for a shot smiling next to wreckage (as posted above) is really a respectful gesture. Museums are starting to rethink the way they display human remains plundered from various ancient civilisations because of changes in sentiment with regard to how we treat the dead, and I'm on board with that.

I agree about remains and museums. I saw a loada mummies in Manchester recently and wasn't in to it at all. Did not feel right. I guess I'd agree if I thought the skeletons were the attraction here but I think it's the boat. I don't think any human remains are visible from a quick google.

 

[HTG]

I agree.

No one is saying it wasn't tragic but it's an important part of relatively recent history.

Many, many more died at Auschwitz and that seems to be accepted as a tourist attraction.

Auschwitz is no tourist attraction like a beach. It's a place of remembrance and learning. It's not like people go there to enjoy themselves. That would be fecked up.

 

[11101]

That's because it's fundamentally an educational thing - a way of making sure people don't forget the atrocities committed upon an entire race of people in the name of ideology. You tend not to get people posing there next to the gates and remains of the gas chambers with grinning faces for consumption on social media.

I haven't been but I'm fairly certain that's because they won't let you. I'm sure some people would do otherwise.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That's because it's fundamentally an educational thing - a way of making sure people don't forget the atrocities committed upon an entire race of people in the name of ideology. You tend not to get people posing there next to the gates and remains of the gas chambers with grinning faces for consumption on social media.

Funnily enough, the educational lessons of 'lets not spend lavish amounts of cash to feck about in the dangerous waters of the deepest oceans' may actually be served well by these events.

You think?

 

[HTG]

I haven't been but I'm fairly certain that's because they won't let you. I'm sure some people would do otherwise.

What the quoted user is describing is something that sadly happens a lot at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. And it is heavily discouraged and frowned upon.

 

[buchansleftleg]

You'd have to pay me 250k to get into one of these trips and even then I don't think it would.

I would gladly do the trip in a certified vessel, launched from a proper support ship with a back-up vessel on deck ready to deploy at short notice. However these guys are giving me some very "dodgy" vibes.

This whole "experimental" vessel seems to largely be a pressure tank with some weights attached , hooked up to a submersible jetty with 4 tiny tanks of air to act as a reserve for it and the vessel dangling off the edge of it with apparently just one cable attached.

To me it seems to be breaking all the accepted rules of any sort of deep marine activity, which usually has deeply ingrained safety procedures and multiple redundancy in the event of failure or adverse conditions. It's one thing to sign a waiver, but surely these people asked some basic safety questions?

 

[HTG]

I would gladly do the trip in a certified vessel, launched from a proper support ship with a back-up vessel on deck ready to deploy at short notice. However these guys are giving me some very "dodgy" vibes.

This whole "experimental" vessel seems to largely be a pressure tank with some weights attached , hooked up to a submersible jetty with 4 tiny tanks of air to act as a reserve for it and the vessel dangling off the edge of it with apparently just one cable attached.

To me it seems to be breaking all the accepted rules of any sort of deep marine activity, which usually has deeply ingrained safety procedures and multiple redundancy in the event of failure or adverse conditions. It's one thing to sign a waiver, but surely these people asked some basic safety questions?

Your post has me wondering. What laws apply at the location they are at? Are there any legal requirements for stuff like this?

 

[Devil You Know]

I agree about remains and museums. I saw a loada mummies in Manchester recently and wasn't in to it at all. Did not feel right. I guess I'd agree if I thought the skeletons were the attraction here but I think it's the boat. I don't think any human remains are visible from a quick google.

You can see a lot of them at Manchester Museum when they take their kids on a visit. They're exactly what I'm into.

 

[11101]

A Bluetooth PlayStation controller.. Dear God..

That's really no big deal. Military drones used to be flown using an Xbox controller. Plenty of high tech kit is.

 

[One Night Only]

I like how a lot of the news stories are going on about the controller like it's a proper bad thing.
Don't the US military / navy use Xbox controllers for things these days?

 

[adexkola]

That's because it's fundamentally an educational thing - a way of making sure people don't forget the atrocities committed upon an entire race of people in the name of ideology. You tend not to get people posing there next to the gates and remains of the gas chambers with grinning faces for consumption on social media.

Funnily enough, the educational lessons of 'lets not spend lavish amounts of cash to feck about in the dangerous waters of the deepest oceans' may actually be served well by these events.

 

[Solius]

Not saying this hasn't happened because people are cnuts but this isn't at Auschwitz. It's a memorial in Berlin.

 

[groovyalbert]

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Wouldn't they have been detected by now if any of these were operative?

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

You'd have to pay me 250k to get into one of these trips and even then I don't think it would.

Before this I would have gone..

 

[The Firestarter]

That's really no big deal. Military drones used to be flown using an Xbox controller. Plenty of high tech kit is.

No it is a big deal. Whatever stuff the military uses, it only looks like a popular commercial device.It might have the same plastic. The switches, boards, analog sensing is completely different spec.

 

[Abizzz]

Wouldn't they have been detected by now if any of these were operative?

Probably not if they're stuck under an iceberg...

 

[11101]

No it is a big deal. Whatever stuff the military uses, it only looks like a popular commercial device.It might have the same plastic. The switches, boards, analog sensing is completely different spec.

Part of the reason they used them was because they were compatible with Windows, so no they were not totally different to the original.

And how do you know this controller hasn't been modified?

 

[The Firestarter]

Part of the reason they used them was because they were compatible with Windows, so no they were not totally different to the original.

And how do you know this controller hasn't been modified?

I am not talking about sw compatibility, rather certain different classes of the electornic components , equivalent in function to the commercial ones but much tighter tolerances, with additional shielding etc and for the mechanical components usually completely different part.

And of course I don't know if that particular device was modified or not. But looking at what is known and shared about this operation, it is very likely its just stock.

 

[Red in STL]

Your post has me wondering. What laws apply at the location they are at? Are there any legal requirements for stuff like this?

You would hope that you wouldn't need laws but maybe there needs to be some if there aren't any

 

[buchansleftleg]

Your post has me wondering. What laws apply at the location they are at? Are there any legal requirements for stuff like this?

There are laws that apply to access to the Titanic wreckage itself. This is why the companies website has a load of stuff about the "scientific" nature of the journeys, that they are documentating the wreckage for signs of deterioration etc....

Funny how all their crews are multimillionaires and they seemingly have more cameras than safety equipment onboard too!

I think these guys are skating on very thin ice given their vessel is unlicensed, they have not got proper levels of support and are seemingly dependent on the "help out any vessel in distress" law of the sea.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

That's really no big deal. Military drones used to be flown using an Xbox controller. Plenty of high tech kit is.

Really? Never heard of that before

 

[lsd]

This is the view(Also guy in the picture is a former Simpsons writer).

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That view is from sitting on the toilet

 

[Ajr]

I bet it's literally right by where they are looking but it's just impossible to find

 

[Solius]

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[George Owen]

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[Unam333]

This has to be the end for Oceangate Expeditions. Useless company.

 

[calodo2003]

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