City have no need to buy Rice when they have Rodri and soon Kovacic (+K. Phillips)
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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Too much smoke in the media City wants Rice to be just rumours.
Caicedo can comfortably play alongside Casemiro or in lieu of him. He’s a Quality DM and central midfielder. Would be the most flexible midfielder at the club, should he come here - certainly give us a level of scope we’ve not had in years.
He just did mate.
Think he can play a few roles. Can be a ball winning midfielder, b2b. Can cover for Casa or play alongside him in tough games.
Makes too much sense for us and I doubt we can afford it. The player we should have been targetting all along.
I don't think there is anything in this unfortunately. He's the boy that would truly make us better. Him, Casemerio and Bruno would have everything. Makes to much sense, I think this is a poor attempt to get Mount price down.
Not sure we have the 70-80m it would take unfortunately
Being used to lower the Mount fee.
Being used to lower the Mount fee.
Did you read the article from the times?
If and a big if we are selling Mctominay, Fred, VDB and aren’t opting for Sabitzer too then we would need 2 midfielders right? Out of curiosity what’s Caicedo’s best position? B2b or DM?
Well anyone with an ounce of decency in them will be hoping he doesn't at least. And we don't need that kind of headline following the team around going in to next season anyway, to much of a distraction.
Despite popular opinion, i think Caicedo Casemiro pairing would actually be quite offensive in nature. They could easily take turns to bomb forward given their engines.
If moving to Caicedo is a bluff, it's the worst bluff ever. Apparently everyone on this forum can see through it, why wouldn't Chelsea?
Thanks Chelsea for pitching the terms for us. So £70+10. I say we get this done and watch Chelsea suffer with not being able to sell Mount and spend big this window. 
They are an absolute shambles of a club since Roman left.
They are an absolute shambles of a club since Roman left.
Doh! Guess we’ll have to muscle in on Rice now. Chelsea could potentially be a force next season under Poch if they get their shit together.
Seems the worst possible summer to be hamstrung by a takeover.
Seems the worst possible summer to be hamstrung by a takeover.
He destroyed our midfield in the semi final. Whether we get him or not - he’s the best player of his type since Kante. £80-£90mil for a 21 year old. I’d buy him tomorrow. Better than Bellingham.
I'm thinking the club feels spending 80-90m on Caicedo now and getting Mount for free next season is better than spending 65m now for Mount. Of course that will alter the spend on other targets now, but may need to spend lesser next season.
If the above is true, I like that flexible thinking.
Oh and let's get agent Valencia on this case (again, given he's already recommended him to us).
Yeah he needs to play his part
Press won't talk about it as they aren't result allowed.
No different from Paret
Benzema, Ronaldo, Partey have all been accused of similar without charge.
Did you cheer Ronaldo' goals?
Can actually picture Murtough and Arnold laughing it up over a pint, thinking they've played a blinder
This is why the potential Rabiot signing was quite important, even if you don't rate him that highly, he's better than Fred/Mctominay/VDB and allows us to offload our midfield deadwood without spending a fortune. Big disappointment if he stays at Juve now.
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And yet he dreamed of playing for United and Chelsea have no CL. I can't imagine he'd take Chelsea over us.
Yeah that's why I wanted him
Not sure about that now
Great Player.
Wrong profile of Player. I'd rather push hard for Rice instead of him.
Wrong profile of Player. I'd rather push hard for Rice instead of him.
Personally think Casemiro is better going forward. He has great vision, passing is really good going forward, creative, times his runs into the box really well, strong in the air. Defensively he is a tad bit sluggish and slow, takes just half a second too long with the ball at times and gives away possession. Think a quicker player with good tackling skills like Caicedo would complement Casemiro really well. And probably, as you mentioned, make us more offensive.
Agreed!
If City want Rice he's obviously going to go there
This is very different and you know it, did you hear the audio when it came out? Or are you one the mad ones that's just completely dismissing it? Anyway that's the last I'll say on this because it's derailing the thread, but if you seriously cheer for this guy if he does come back (which I maintain he won't) then you have issues my friend.
I think it's often proven that when you have two CM's who are comfortable on both sides of the ball, they will be bold and will drive up the pitch knowing when and how to cover for one another and being very confident in their abilities should possession be lost. Not dissimilar to high-line CB's who inch further forward than they should because they, more often than not, will get themselves out of any trouble they find themselves in.
For ourselves, Keane and Ince in the '94 team exemplify the CM thing in that neither would camp and both would go forward as the opportunity arose. I do think we're talking more about instinct and natural leanings, too; Ince was supposed to camp more than he did and got told off at times for not doing so; I think Caciedo doesn't have as much organic appetite to go right into goalscoring opportunities as Casemiro, and that he'd be the one that would tend to go upfield and then park himself, as opposed to driving right through into goalscoring opportunities, like Casemiro does.
But yeah, as a pairing, they provide so much we've missed for so long, and with that defensive solidity and robustness, you'd not be surprised to see more expression in the team as a whole, let alone between the two of them. Too good to be true, but what we should have been going for all along if we couldn't find an elite deep playmaker.
Doesn't this guy fit better as can play 6/8
United need a ball carrier out of their #8. This was the issue with Erikson playing with Bruno this season, there was no one to link the play.
Looking at FBRef, Caicedo is a better passer but Rice is superior when it comes to progressive Passes and Carrier. Defensively they are similar.
I'm not sure about that.
Caicedo strikes me as better technically than Rice and has proven himself in one of the best sides around at playing out from the back. It's hard to say Rice is the player to take our build up to the next level given he plays in a scrappy defensive side who don't have a lot of the ball.
Mount and Kane next season for free would be fantastic especially if we did pony up the 80/90m for Caicedo.
I enjoy posting here because everyone has different perspectives. The data shows Rice to be elite but the eye test is also something that needs to happen as well. I think they are close for me, but with Rice being a better ball carrier plus English gives him the nudge for me.
The other question is that have we seen the best season for Rice yet? He has played in some average West Ham teams. I would argue that Caicedo's season this year has been the best he has and may represent the best version of his game.
And it may push Casemiro to be more adventurous going forward and be more creative. With less shackles of him being the sole DM.
There are times last season that Casemiro showing his creative side, and there are probably more to explore.
Caicedo is a must, for me. An opportunity that shouldn't be missed.
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