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Doesn't really matter where it's done, if you sign them with reading them (or having your experts do it) you're nutsIt’s the best place for signing complex legal documents.
I think they are doing a good job of doing this without actually telling himThen tell him to go.
Absolutely. It could have all ended so much better. It's a shame. I really hope we improve things at the top levels in the club as at the moment it feels like we have little to no plan.Yep. Even if we luck out in the end, it feels like we're making these decisions on a whim. So much for the theory of working with ddg to create the story of attempting and failing negotiations. We should have decided long before the cup final.
I would say that if you're deciding you don't want a player as your first choice almost immediately after you've agreed a substantial contract with him to be first choice, there's an issue.De Gea signed contract. Ten hag decided he definitely wasn’t going to be first choice, explained to de gea and asked him if he still wanted the club to sign the contract, De Gea said no. Seems reasonable behaviour to me.
Yes, the bloodsucking multimillionaire parasite agent is the real victim here. My heart bless for him.De Gea knows how it feels now for cutting Mendez out of his 375k contract that was agreed.
Pretty much this. Being sentimental towards a player who demanded astronomical wages? He got what he wanted from us, but we don't need him anymore so time to move on.This sentimentally bollocks needs to stop. De Gea has cost the club 100 million in wages over the last 5 years. He's a very rich man, while being very average at best for the club. We went out of 2 cup competitions because of de gea this year, and it's about time heads roll for poor performances.
This in itself would be a problem.His blunders towards the end of the season probably made us realise he didn't deserve the salary of a number one goalkeeper.
Ten Haag is doing his job better than everyone else at the club, is he supposed to accept a mediocre keeper to spare his feelings? Keep crying.How is that De gea's fault? He was doing his job better than everyone else at the club, was he supposed to take less just to spare billionaires a few million quid? Laughable take. Keep spewing more made up shit though.
There are no victims. De Gea will be fine and make more millions somewhere else.Yes, the bloodsucking multimillionaire parasite agent is the real victim here. My heart bless for him.
I actually did/do, yeah. To prevent exactly this kind of scenario where one party agrees to something and then doesn't complete their side of the bargain.Do you think they all get together in a big boardroom to do it? I’d say it would be remarkably normal for contracts to be sent to the players solicitor for signing and then returned to the club for them to do their part and register the player.
Not sure what De Gea would have to gain from it. It’s not like fans think he’s forcing his way out.I actually did/do, yeah. To prevent exactly this kind of scenario where one party agrees to something and then doesn't complete their side of the bargain.
I am not even a novice in these though so could be completely wide of the mark and it wouldn’t be the first time.
I just think the timing is very convenient and paints DDG in a good light to the fans when he MIGHT not have signed the contract at all. The club will never come out and talk about it either
You don’t think it was the actual real contract do you?Doesn't really matter where it's done, if you sign them with reading them (or having your experts do it) you're nuts
I was at the game when Robbo signed on the pitch before we played Wolves, it inspired the player he was bought to replace, Sammy Mac, who scored a hat trick, there was also another very, very rare thing at OT that day, Garry Birtles scored!
No idea, this was the 80's so it probably was!You don’t think it was the actual real contract do you?
If things went down as they’ve been reported, I’d say that ETH did a very poor job with this situation. It actually makes a lot of sense given his track record at the club. Very good in some areas, but very naive in others.Ten Haag is doing his job better than everyone else at the club, is he supposed to accept a mediocre keeper to spare his feelings? Keep crying.
Yeah but the strangest thing is still offering him reduced wages. Just get rid of the fecker instead of this strange limbo where he has a contract, but it keeps getting lowered, but then ETH doesn't want him as a #1, but somehow him staying as a backup makes sense?My guess is the club told ten hag he had limited funds, he thought he could get Kane or osimhen at first and was prepared to delay keeper for a bit, but then de Gea bottled many big moments and combined with us not being able to spend big meant ten hag didn't want him to be #1 at all anymore.
It's not a "contract" until both parties sign it, there are some verbal contracts that can be legally binding but this probably isn't one of themIf he's signed the initial contract how can they rescind it? Sounds like they are opening themselves up for a lawsuit. Anyone with more knowledge of these situations shed some light?
It's worrying how few people seem to think this way.This sentimentally bollocks needs to stop. De Gea has cost the club 100 million in wages over the last 5 years. He's a very rich man, while being very average at best for the club. We went out of 2 cup competitions because of de gea this year, and it's about time heads roll for poor performances.
No it isn't it's common courtesy, the club, rightly or wrongly, offered him a contract which he agreed to and signed, it's pretty poor to withdraw that and change it to lesser terms, that is piss-poor behavior on the cubs partIt's worrying how few people seem to think this way.
These players are paid an astronomical amount of money. People make it sound like this club owes them something. De Gea has been the best paid keeper in the world for years, while doing a poor job to show he's worth that money.
Only very few people except united fans ever thought he was no.1 it was always neuer. And over the whole time all he was excellent at was shot stopping which clouds people minds because thats what they remember. Again, he was excellent at that but was he ever the best overall?not in my book. I would agree with your last paragraph. It seems like this club is all over the place and too many people are involved in decision making with no clear path we want to go.It still sounds a bit like we are being run by clowns. People can hate DeGea all they want but since Fergie left he’s probably been our best and most consistent players, even being the worlds number 1 at some point over that period of time.
But having him agree to a reduction and then have him sign it only to then tear that up and offer him lower wages is not befitting of his history for us and beneath us as a Club. If they wanted him to go don’t even offer him a contract, just say to him look it’s been great and all but I just don’t think it’s working out, we want to try something new.
Basically grow a pair and act like they know what they are doing. Because now it seems like he is going to leave on a sour note and he doesn’t deserve that. If United had just been upfront about it and not docked about so he could leave on good terms.
Whenever i applyed for a job they sent the contract to me to sign it and then i had to send it back so they will sign it....it never happend to me but legally they could easily say at this point that the thought it over and gave that job to someone else.If he's signed the initial contract how can they rescind it? Sounds like they are opening themselves up for a lawsuit. Anyone with more knowledge of these situations shed some light?
It depends on the type of contract, but usually the wet ink signing must usually take place at a given date in a given place. However more often than not you can give a power of attorney to the lawyers representing you and they usually sign together.I actually did/do, yeah. To prevent exactly this kind of scenario where one party agrees to something and then doesn't complete their side of the bargain.
I am not even a novice in these though so could be completely wide of the mark and it wouldn’t be the first time.
I just think the timing is very convenient and paints DDG in a good light to the fans when he MIGHT not have signed the contract at all. The club will never come out and talk about it either
Its worrying how the he's rich, he'll be fine sentiments come up every. single. time.It's worrying how few people seem to think this way.
These players are paid an astronomical amount of money. People make it sound like this club owes them something. De Gea has been the best paid keeper in the world for years, while doing a poor job to show he's worth that money.
Agreed. The treatment of De Gea by United -- if these reports are true -- is appalling.I’m not entirely happy with how this has come about. It’s the right call to let De Gea go but the club have made a meal of this contract situation and have as a result shown disrespect to one of our longest serving players. Forgetting the way we have treated De Gea here, this has been brought about by bad planning and indecision from the club, ETH has to take some blame for this as well as the board. We should not have put a contract in front of him if we were just going to change our mind on it, it’s not fair on the player.
While i would agree. We dont even know if that is a fact. Also we are talking about millions of pounds decision here. 99,9% wouldnt give a feck. Same time next year most will have forgoten about this anywayNo it isn't it's common courtesy, the club, rightly or wrongly, offered him a contract which he agreed to and signed, it's pretty poor to withdraw that and change it to lesser terms, that is piss-poor behavior on the cubs part
I doubt this happened as it's described. There's no way ETH wanted De Gea back, I think if he could have replaced him last summer he would have. Even keeping him as a backup is stupid, if Onana is the starting keeper and has to miss time the team has to completely change how they play to accomodate the backup, who can't pass or sweep.If things went down as they’ve been reported, I’d say that ETH did a very poor job with this situation. It actually makes a lot of sense given his track record at the club. Very good in some areas, but very naive in others.
Not looking like he’s the one that’s made the decision and possibly tarnishing what little of his reputation he’s got left.Not sure what De Gea would have to gain from it. It’s not like fans think he’s forcing his way out.
Completely agree. I was sick and tired of the situation as well and couldn't see how we were going to progress until we brought in a head coach with a defined way of playing the game. And then when that coach was brought to the club, I said on here that De Gea was in big trouble now. It took a season, but ten Hag realised pretty quickly at the back end of the season.
Everyone is absolutely replaceable and it would've been nice to see things end on a better note. But I'm not going to blame the people who have inherited the problems from the past under the ownership of the Glazers when it's been widely reported about budgets not being set in stone. I'm actually happy we're looking to progress post Woodward and Judge.
I've thought for sometime now that you have ties or an interest with Murtough or whoever in the recruitment department and you're clearly showing your hand here. Your unwillingness to fully acknowledge that this was poor planning and a cnuty move is astonishing.From what's been reported so far. EtH didn't quite realise how bad De Gea was on the ball and we as a team were doing well up until around January and the keeper wasn't seen as a priority to upgrade. So extending De Gea as the #1 was seen as the normal thing to do with everything going well.
But the issues were about to be exposed away from home where we still had to play Liverpool, Arsenal, Brighton, Newcastle and a Cup final against City where our inadequacies in the build up got exposed further. Then ten Hag realised that he needed a new #1 GK. And then De Gea's contract had to reflect his status as the #2 keeper hence the club asked him to take another significant pay cut. I don't see a issue with that and unlike in previous years, the club didn't rush to sign off on a extension. They waited and that was a good move imo.
Why is that? I would be happily retire in his position or go for 1 or 2 last contracts in a smaller team.no shame in that and why would you care what people on the internet think?Its worrying how the he's rich, he'll be fine sentiments come up every. single. time.
Surely its signed by the club first? Or its sent out to the solicitor/agent to approve and they then come together and sign it within seconds of each other across the table?It's not a "contract" until both parties sign it, there are some verbal contracts that can be legally binding but this probably isn't one of them
I hope it isn't the case but if it is then it is badWhile i would agree. We dont even know if that is a fact. Also we are talking about millions of pounds decision here. 99,9% wouldnt give a feck. Same time next year most will have forgoten about this anyway
My contract was sent to me to review and approve. We then signed it across the table together.Only very few people except united fans ever thought he was no.1 it was always neuer. And over the whole time all he was excellent at was shot stopping which clouds people minds because thats what they remember. Again, he was excellent at that but was he ever the best overall?not in my book. I would agree with your last paragraph. It seems like this club is all over the place and too many people are involved in decision making with no clear path we want to go.
Whenever i applyed for a job they sent the contract to me to sign it and then i had to send it back so they will sign it....it never happend to me but legally they could easily say at this point that the thought it over and gave that job to someone else.
So basically there is no "normal" way of signing a contractMy contract was sent to me to review and approve. We then signed it across the table together.
If it’s true he shouldn’t have leaked it. He should have released a statement. It’s a horrible way to treat a player who has given us all for twelve years.Not looking like he’s the one that’s made the decision and possibly tarnishing what little of his reputation he’s got left.
Just off the top of my head.
If this is the truth though, the ‘leak’ has come from his camp and that’s bad enough
IF any of it is true
Like I also said, if it’s true.If it’s true he shouldn’t have leaked it. He should have released a statement. It’s a horrible way to treat a player who has given us all for twelve years.
