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Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United
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You mean he wasn't caught.
People desperately trying to avoid the clear reality of audio, transcripts and images so they can justify having a better striker at the club, I think.
So you will use one example when there were lots of kids who came through as alright? I guess you are a firm believer in absolutes I guess. Binary thought process. If one failed I guess that means the whole process is a failure?
The remark most club managers have when they described United kids when on loan -- they were brought up right. Grounded.
What? Partying & having girls over?
Just seen some of the posts and I must say I'm disguisted.
Love the part poster above my post said - we've all done regrettable things.
Sure I did, but for instance I've never beaten a women or raped her at 19.
That we shouldn't be investing in players like Hojlund because we need Kane or Osimhen. Also there's no point because Greenwood is the best young player on planet earth and is worth 150mill and he will come straight back into the team, play 9 and bang 40 goals so there's no point signing Hojlund. Also excuses for his atrocious behaviour to justify him scoring a few goals for us and non investing in overpriced overhyped Hojlund who only has 9 goals last season don't forget, dont you ever forget that.
Thats a laughable comment. What, Fergie would have told him - son, dont go around and beat woman and that would be that?
You're acting like its a normal thing to do when you become a celebrity so young... And that's all whats to it, oh his head flew a bit in the air so he wasnt himself.
I honestly respect people who just say 'i dont care what footballers do/ have done. It's a corrupt system and I just want to take joy from united doing well every week'.
I personally wouldn't get joy from watching greenwood bang them in if there isn't a significant statement or some form of explanation/apology/admittance of some form of guilt. Even then I'd struggle, but at least the above take is the honest truth of the matter.
You said it would ‘never’ happen. I gave you three examples. Ravel huge disciplinary problems. Giggs a woman beater and perennial wife cheater. Ronaldo a rapist.
Two points then I am done:
1) If you bothered to read and absorb what I had said earlier -- fans put too high expectations on the players. They are as susceptible to any bad activities as the rest of us -- and more so since they have been brought up in an environment thats flushed with money and people throwing themselves at you. I bet yu have never had to deal with that. It changes you.
2) Let's be honest here -- have you not done anything that would ahve be considered dubious behaviour in the past? Driving home with passengers after being the limit? Illegal drugs? Pushing your advance on a girl or guy when you were both a little drunk? Harsh/abusive words towards someone close? Send dic pics?
No? Then you must either be a saint or not have been out of the house much. Or you are just very selective with your memories.
My point is that people are way too sanctimonious here. I
Its a private matter between the wife/partner and Mason. If she decides not to press charges, who the feck are you then?
You forgot -- Onana is a drug cheat. I dont see you saying that we shouldn't buy him in that thread?
What mental gymnastics, I'm amazed. Kudos to you.
Bolded part is the best one really.
Not to mention making parallels between abusive words and beating up a woman.
Oh but that's a private matter, sorry.
This post is crazy and almost seems to paint the alleged aggressor as some kind of victim. Yes, footballers are under a lot of scrutiny, but they are also in an incredibly privileged position. None of what you said is in anyway, shape, or form, relevant to the discussion about what Greenwood may or may not have done.
The things people will say simply because they want to see a young lad kick a ball around for the team they support.
I want us to sign Kane but won't happen as haven't got another spare £100m this summer
This guy is more overrated than the size of my sausage.
Any type of violence, whether it's physical or mental within a relationship in so insane and I don't understand how anyone can ever be apologetic towards people who have abused their significant other is all kinds of fricked.
Domestic violence and toxic relationship culture within the ages is something most countries put in insane effort to move away from - it's not private matter, it's not even cultural matter, it's a matter of society and how we want it to be for generations in the future.
Well, add onto those, one should have opportunity to correct himself and grow to a better version of him.
Without ever having publicly admitted fault, offered explanation or asked for a second chance?
Your posts on this last page are absolutely horrible.
The club "failed" a domestic abuser, and anything is "Ok" when it's a private matter, and no-one else gets to have an opinion on it.
Then you label Onana a "drug's cheat", which suggests to me you've either read nothing about the case, or are being very obtuse.
Mental gynmastics I think they call it.
Is this the Hojlund thread or rape thread? Can we get back to discussing the misinterpreted goal ratio o
But seriously, is this the rape thread or the Hojlund thread?
And don't you ever forget how to read goal ratios.
But seriously, is this the rape thread or the Hojlund thread?
So, what about Hojlund?
It's bloody tiresome. I seriously hope he never kicks a ball for us again.
Why just us? Seems a bit of a cop out
Isn’t this guy more “one for the future”?
Personally I'd rather he never did again full stop, but I can appreciate that is highly unlikely. So at the very least I hope it is never for us.
Understood
We can't control other clubs, we can't even control united but obviously we will be watching us every week, so that's all we as United fans should really care about.
It's not a cop out, if your argument is to say, well he will play elsewhere! Why not here? Then just say so and let us all know that you don't think what the recordings, transcripts and images show is something that puts you off him playing for United.
Well if you could have got experienced no 9 too then would have been easier to phase him in
The situation is complex because they are back together and trying to raise a family. I get that some people may still want to see himin jail or never play again at all, but it would probably end up hurting the victim more.
You would think Sir Alex had some kind of magical ability to change someone's persona completely. This notion that "this wouldn't have happened under Fergie" has being going on every since Gazza went off the rails after moving south.
There have been several examples of this not being true. The most famous example is obviously Giggs, who rumoured to be a wife-beater ever since the 90's (Mirror I believe ran a story of him allegedly beating up and dragging his then girlfriend down the road by the hair outside of a nightclub) Also the most clearcut one is Ravel Morrison, who, despite the massive efforts from the club and Sir Alex himself, decided he preffered getting himself involved in criminal situations including witness intimidation and handling weapons.
The future is now.
The situation is undoubtedly complex.
There are a huge variety of reasons why people who have suffered abuse return to their abusers, of course forgiveness is one of those and I'm sure there are instances were that reconciliation lasts without further issue. Of course the opposite is proven to be true more times than could be counted, with further hurt, trauma and the very worst of consequences being very real possibilities. We don't really know the situation between them now so it's not really proper to speculate.
What I feel is easy to say is that not being allowed to play football at the top top level, be a star, be paid millions and be adored by fans or otherwise due to your own actions is not a barrier to having a good relationship, being a good dad, providing a living. It's also not, not getting a second chance.
The second chance is not being in prison, seeing your partner, or child, playing football somewhere, at some level or shockingly getting a different job. All of those things are a second chance.
Second chances don't mean put the person back exactly where they were without any changes.
Would be great to have both Hojlund and Onana signed before the US Tour next weekend.
What I mean is that it would be unfair to rely on him to lead the line as our first choice striker given his age and lack of Premier League experience. We couldn’t expect him to come straight in and be at the level of, say, a Mitrovic let alone a Haaland or Kane.
I reckon Onana will be. Hojlund is more than a couple of weeks away.
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With the best will in the world. I have no idea how you can argue that a player who has effectively been suspended pending investigations for 18 months, has been widely condemned by even united fans let alone those of other clubs, lost sponsors and severely tainted his image, not to mention having his private affairs aired in public where the kangaroo court have hung, drawn and quartered him for something that the police have declined to prosecute, and therefore he hasn't been found guilty of ANYTHING.
I think it's safe to say that his life has changed considerably, probably forever. Regardless of what he does or who he plays for in the future.
But anyway that fella Hoijland is hopefully ready to fill the void.
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