Samid
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That's that then. See you for the deciding test next week!
They will get some time on Sunday. Believe.It’s sad if rains prevent this result because from selection to performance this is an incredible Aussie meltdown
That decision can't look silly because chasing any kind of target on a tricky day 5 pitch is close to impossible.Let's hope we get some play over the weekend, else the decision to keep batting will look a bit silly.
Why on earth are people obsessed with a fictional run chase when 10 wickets is absolutely required. You're basically saying "we should risk not giving ourselves enough time to take 10 wickets in order to avoid possibly having to chase". I'm sorry, but makes no sense.That decision can't look silly because chasing any kind of target on a tricky day 5 pitch is close to impossible.
Lads it’s @Samid. You’ve been successfully trolled (I think).Why on earth are people obsessed with a fictional run chase when 10 wickets is absolutely required. You're basically saying "we should risk not giving ourselves enough time to take 10 wickets in order to avoid possibly having to chase". I'm sorry, but makes no sense.
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He got 78 in the first dig in the first test, to be fair I don’t mind it at all when Jonny’s ticking like that, rightly or wrongly. When he’s in that mindset he’s at his best.Until this knock he's been crap.
I think the over rates have been more impactful than England batting on to be honest, I make it 27 overs lost which is about 1 session of play.Let's hope we get some play over the weekend, else the decision to keep batting will look a bit silly.
I love how we’ve all normalised England scoring 592 runs in basically 4 sessions worth of cricket.in anyone’s wet dream, we batted on an hour too long. the conditions weren’t there this morning to declare only 70 odd ahead. and i
don’t think we’d have got them all out with an extra hour today. any more time and they’d be ahead and potentially only a couple down. after crawley and root, the aussies were only able to save the test after getting rolled for 300, unless we let them back in. scoreboard pressure got to them today, and mentally they looked shot after going around the park.
with them batting to number 10, it’s not a 300 deck. australia could, and should, have batted england out of the series on day one. it’s not a three day test pitch. england could have got way more if they weren’t in such a hurry to score, brooks, stokes, bairstow all left runs out there.
exactly. “normal test match cricket” after three days and we’re 50 odd ahead or australia are batting again 80-odd ahead. england have made mistakes tactically in the series but i don’t really see what they could have done differently in this one. you don’t win many test matches in three days. you win even fewer ashes tests in three days. you can certainly lose them though. australia have lost this one. maybe the weather saves them.I love how we’ve all normalised England scoring 592 runs in basically 4 sessions worth of cricket.
We finished day two 70 ahead, and that was with Brook and Stokes batting fairly averagely. I’m pretty sure Brook was 10 from 40 at one point. It was completely in our grasp to accelerate last night, at the risk of losing wickets. We could have finished last night 100 ahead at worst.in anyone’s wet dream, we batted on an hour too long. the conditions weren’t there this morning to declare only 70 odd ahead. and i don’t think we’d have got them all out with an extra hour today. any more time and they’d be ahead and potentially only a couple down. after crawley and root, the aussies were only able to save the test after getting rolled for 300, unless we let them back in. scoreboard pressure got to them today, and mentally they looked shot after going around the park.
with them batting to number 10, it’s not a 300 deck. australia could, and should, have batted england out of the series on day one. it’s not a three day test pitch. england could have got way more if they weren’t in such a hurry to score, brooks, stokes, bairstow all left runs out there.
Should be noted despite any criticism that Stokes might have got about the declaration, no other side in the world would have managed to have had a chance to win this game given the pitch and the rain.I love how we’ve all normalised England scoring 592 runs in basically 4 sessions worth of cricket.
Completely agree. Superb Cricket from England, we are arguing over tactical opinions - no right answerShould be noted despite any criticism that Stokes might have got about the declaration, no other side in the world would have managed to have had a chance to win this game given the pitch and the rain.
If it rains all weekend and we can’t take 10 wickets now, there definitely is a right answer mateCompletely agree. Superb Cricket from England, we are arguing over tactical opinions - no right answer
Completely agree with all of this.in anyone’s wet dream, we batted on an hour too long. the conditions weren’t there this morning to declare only 70 odd ahead. and i don’t think we’d have got them all out with an extra hour today. any more time and they’d be ahead and potentially only a couple down. after crawley and root, the aussies were only able to save the test after getting rolled for 300, unless we let them back in. scoreboard pressure got to them today, and mentally they looked shot after going around the park.
with them batting to number 10, it’s not a 300 deck. australia could, and should, have batted england out of the series on day one. it’s not a three day test pitch. england could have got way more if they weren’t in such a hurry to score, brooks, stokes, bairstow all left runs out there.
You wouldn’t have wanted an extra 20 overs to bowl at them tonight? No value in that?Completely agree with all of this.
Whichever side you’re on to be honest, the deciding factor is always going to be whether more play is possible this weekend or not. If we’d declared earlier today I’m personally not sure we’d have much more to show for it, and there was value in putting them through the ringer for a bit longer and putting a really crushing lead on the board.
I'd have declared earlier. Don't blame England for not, gone for a different angle - fair enoughIf it rains all weekend and we can’t take 10 wickets now, there definitely is a right answer mate
I think you can only nitpick if England fall 1-2 wickets short, not 6 which your scenario suggests. As much as Bazball brings all of our batshit schemes to fruition, I don’t think it’s realistic to expect England to score 450-500 and knock over Australia twice for less than that in what is technically 8 full sessions of cricket (27 overs lost to over rates). A pitch that enables you to bat once isn’t going to enable you to roll over a side that’s packed their batting so easily.If it rains all weekend and we can’t take 10 wickets now, there definitely is a right answer mate
I don’t agree. The aggressive option is giving yourself more time to take the 10 wickets and backing yourself to chase whatever is left if needed. Stokes was more aggressive on day one of the ashes, and I fully backed that declaration, I thought it was brilliant but didn’t come off.I think you can only nitpick if England fall 1-2 wickets short, not 6 which your scenario suggests. As much as Bazball brings all of our batshit schemes to fruition, I don’t think it’s realistic to expect England to score 450-500 and knock over Australia twice for less than that in what is technically 8 full sessions of cricket (27 overs lost to over rates). A pitch that enables you to bat once isn’t going to enable you to roll over a side that’s packed their batting so easily.
It would have been the conditions of earlier in the day though, not an extension of the evening, and without the psychological and physical advantage of having completely worn them down in the field first. Yes we might have got another wicket but we were never going to get 10 wickets today and I’m not convinced the extra hour would have meant they’d be 7 down tonight or whatever. For me if we need another 1.5-2 sessions to finish this and I think that would have been the case even if we’d declared earlier today.You wouldn’t have wanted an extra 20 overs to bowl at them tonight? No value in that?
Ok let’s entertain this. Australia already have 430 runs on this pitch, let’s say England had another 30 overs at them and knocked them over for another 100 runs. You think England could have made 531 in 77 overs?I don’t agree. The aggressive option is giving yourself more time to take the 10 wickets and backing yourself to chase whatever is left if needed. Stokes was more aggressive on day one of the ashes, and I fully backed that declaration, I thought it was brilliant but didn’t come off.
England have allowed the weather to decide to the result. They could have won the test today if they went aggressive. England didn’t need those extra 150 runs, they needed another 40 overs to bowl Australia out and then use whatever is left to chase.
Honestly can't see a situation where England would have won the test by now in this pitch if they went any more aggressive.England have allowed the weather to decide to the result. They could have won the test today if they went aggressive. England didn’t need those extra 150 runs, they needed another 40 overs to bowl Australia out and then use whatever is left to chase.
That’s not how it works though. England could have got to a 100 lead yesterday evening if Brooks and Stokes went for it, and that’s undeniable. I also believe England would have taken wickets due to Australia being in the field all day. Those mistakes we were seeing in the field last night, could have been batting mistakes. I believe they could have been a couple down and still 60 runs down starting today.Ok let’s entertain this. Australia already have 430 runs on this pitch, let’s say England had another 30 overs at them and knocked them over for another 100 runs. You think England could have made 531 in 77 overs?