Liverpool are a mess

marktan said:
Read my post again, I watched him a lot in his final year at Dortmund and so my opinion changed. Before that I was basing my opinion on YouTube highlights. I linked you to posts from the summer of 2021, I don't know why you're still quoting posts from a year earlier.

I mean literally look at one of the posts I linked to - I was spot on on my assessment of him -



And yes, I valued him at around £40m by the summer of 2021. Was I wrong? I valued Antony at around £40m, was I wrong? I value Hojlund at that too, I doubt I'll be wrong.

Better than 90% of this place that never watched either Sancho or Antony and thought they were great signings. I don't know why you're quoting me anyway, my post was replying to someone who said that Sancho and Antony were rated by everyone.. they were not. This isn't really relevant to this Liverpool thread.
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You also valued Havertz once he went elsewhere so I’m gonna take your posts with a pinch of salt, it’s clear with all things United, you crank up the pessimism to full speed.
You’re also the same guy who thought we should’ve gone with Potter over ETH
 
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No one going to talk about Nunez, or Mac Allister in this thread?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
ha ha,

Casemiro was almost funnier still, ranting and raving at how amazing he was in every single post, until of course we signed on for bigish money, then….

he’s not big on the young new striker we’re about to sign either, but thought Bissouma would have been better than Cas.
I can only assume the lad just prefers Glazers to keep money in the bank.
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Ouch! Yeah, being that worried about value is a little weird.
 
Do people rally think Thiago is going to play much? That midfield looks poor.
 
Figgins said:
Do people rally think Thiago is going to play much? That midfield looks poor.
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Looks very shallow to me and it’s playing in front of an even shallower CB pool.
I can’t wait to read how unlucky they are with injuries next season when they have to play with Henderson / Fabinho .. wait Curtis Jones at CB because of a few injuries.
 
Dumbstar said:
No one going to talk about Nunez, or Mac Allister in this thread?
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I think for all the crap Nunez gets on this board, he must be an absolute nightmare to play against. He doesn’t score loads, and so it’s easy to craft a narrative where he’s crap, but he’s really not.

The risk they have taken (and I guess it was a bit out of their hands) is that the new midfield needs to hit the ground running. For all I know they could be better than the outgoing midfielders. Better, as in, more able to play the high-energy pressing game that they couldn’t quite manage last year, at least not consistently.
 
I think Lavia's a really good signing for them. He's not as good as Fabinho from 2 years ago or anything, but he's performed at an extremely high level for a 19 year old imo. I think MacAllister is a solid if unremarkable addition. Big fan of Szoboszlai even if I'm a little confused about what position Liverpool see him playing (I'm guessing the idea might be to switch to a kinda 3-2-2-3 shape with TAA in midfield). Also think that Curtis Jones was surprisingly good for them last season tbh. Wonder if Liverpool plan on replacing Robertson in the side. Trent got plenty of criticism but Robertson was secretly worse imo. His drop off was massive. If the plan is to go with that City-esque 3 atb, getting in more of a left footed cb like an Ake would make sense.
 
marktan said:
Read my post again, I watched him a lot in his final year at Dortmund and so my opinion changed. Before that I was basing my opinion on YouTube highlights. I linked you to posts from the summer of 2021, I don't know why you're still quoting posts from a year earlier.

I mean literally look at one of the posts I linked to - I was spot on on my assessment of him -



And yes, I valued him at around £40m by the summer of 2021. Was I wrong? I valued Antony at around £40m, was I wrong? I value Hojlund at that too, I doubt I'll be wrong.

Better than 90% of this place that never watched either Sancho or Antony and thought they were great signings. I don't know why you're quoting me anyway, my post was replying to someone who said that Sancho and Antony were rated by everyone.. they were not. This isn't really relevant to this Liverpool thread.
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Your prices are 2 decades behind.
 
cyberman said:
Looks very shallow to me and it’s playing in front of an even shallower CB pool.
I can’t wait to read how unlucky they are with injuries next season when they have to play with Henderson / Fabinho .. wait Curtis Jones at CB because of a few injuries.
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Shallow, while reducing the working knowledge of each other/leadership, less quality upfront and some old players. I cannot see them getting much over 70 points
 
I’m fascinated to see how MacAllister gets on, because I think he’s tremendously unremarkable. I feel like he’s gone from never being spoken about to being this insane talent in 6 months?
 
Judas said:
I’m fascinated to see how MacAllister gets on, because I think he’s tremendously unremarkable. I feel like he’s gone from never being spoken about to being this insane talent in 6 months?
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He isn't an insane talent but the last great Liverpool midfield was composed of Henderson, Fabinho and Wijnaldum. 2 of them were classified as many as unremarkable, but the unit worked. MacAllister is better, or has the talent/potential to be better than Henderson/Wijnaldum.
 
Josh 76 said:
Yeah. They are fecking crap!
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Nunez isn’t crap mate . . He’s pure comedy gold and that takes a special talent that only the very best clowns ever achieve.

He’s like a reincarnation of Coco but without the big shoes.
 
If their midfield clicks, lot of you will be eating humble pie

Also there will be our annual capitulation at anfield, so choose your words wisely.
 
adexkola said:
He isn't an insane talent but the last great Liverpool midfield was composed of Henderson, Fabinho and Wijnaldum. 2 of them were classified as many as unremarkable, but the unit worked. MacAllister is better, or has the talent/potential to be better than Henderson/Wijnaldum.
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That's true, but they also had Salah and Mane at their peak. You can only get away with an industrious midfield if your attackers and full backs are playing out of their skin and can both score and create for others. We'll see whether their current forwards can reach the same level as their previous front three, but the jury is still out on that for sure.
 
ColvaleGoa said:
If their midfield clicks, lot of you will be eating humble pie

Also there will be our annual capitulation at anfield, so choose your words wisely.
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Their midfield looks better but their defence is still weak. Not sure if they've been linked with many defenders
 
Judas said:
I’m fascinated to see how MacAllister gets on, because I think he’s tremendously unremarkable. I feel like he’s gone from never being spoken about to being this insane talent in 6 months?
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World cup win and Brightons run of form was always going to elevate him higher than he actually is talent wise.

Decent player still, but I wouldn't have been that excited if we had brought him in.
 
RaddyRed said:
World cup win and Brightons run of form was always going to elevate him higher than he actually is talent wise.

Decent player still, but I wouldn't have been that excited if we had brought him in.
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Same, because unlike Brighton and City and Liverpool, we seem incapable of having systems that maximize players' qualities
 
ColvaleGoa said:
If their midfield clicks, lot of you will be eating humble pie

Also there will be our annual capitulation at anfield, so choose your words wisely.
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Nope; it'll be acknowledgement that sometimes rolling 6 sixes does happen.
 
Care_de_Bobo said:
That's true, but they also had Salah and Mane at their peak. You can only get away with an industrious midfield if your attackers and full backs are playing out of their skin and can both score and create for others. We'll see whether their current forwards can reach the same level as their previous front three, but the jury is still out on that for sure.
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Agreed
 
adexkola said:
Same, because unlike Brighton and City and Liverpool, we seem incapable of having systems that maximize players' qualities
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We finished 3rd with Eriksen as a box-to-box midfielder and basically no actual striker.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
You also valued Havertz once he went elsewhere so I’m gonna take your posts with a pinch of salt, it’s clear with all things United, you crank up the pessimism to full speed.
You’re also the same guy who thought we should’ve gone with Potter over ETH
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:lol: Obsessed much, even I don't remember having half of those views. You do you though.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I’d laugh it off too if I were you, imagine if we’d ignored ETH for Graham fecking Potter :lol:
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I'm sure you have some shockers too but unlike you I can't be bothered to look through your whole post history. You're probably one of those that thought Antony and Sancho at £70m were great deals, the overly positive type that would give the Glazers a blowie if they could. You're boring. Never any original takes other than to criticise everyone else.
 
marktan said:
I'm sure you have some shockers too but unlike you I can't be bothered to look through your whole post history. You're probably one of those that thought Antony and Sancho at £70m were great deals, the overly positive type that would give the Glazers a blowie if they could. You're boring. Never any original takes other than to criticise everyone else.
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Me, I thought Mourinho and LVG were gonna be brilliant, I thought Moyes and Ole were gonna be absolutely shite and showed incompetence of the highest degree to hire them.
I think a season without ALL of our 2022 signings would have been extremely shite, and that includes Anthony, price mattered not, our first couple of games showed me needed as much new blood as possible. With a proper striker up top I reckon Anthony will improve a lot.

I also think if you hire a manager, you better fecking back him and his picks, else what’s the point?

We all say bollocks, we all get some stuff right, including me, but a permanently pessimistic attitude feels an odd way to support a team.
 
Judas said:
I’m fascinated to see how MacAllister gets on, because I think he’s tremendously unremarkable. I feel like he’s gone from never being spoken about to being this insane talent in 6 months?
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Disagree, really good replacement for Henderson. Started off as the number 10 for Brighton but no need to play there for Liverpool so will likely do a solid job as the 8 similar to his World cup form.

However Lavia...is he actually a DM? Pretty sure he's more box to box so that's going to remain Liverpool's problem next season, how solid are they out of possession at a Man. City or Arsenal? Even that 0-0 at Chelsea, they were very poor and should've lost 4-0 if Chelsea could actually finish a one-on-one.

That said they probably need to win just 8-9 away games and they'll be back in the top 4.
 
Mac Allister brings exactly what Man Utd actually needs, someone that can keep the ball and acts like an anchor for everyone.
He might even add in the future better offensive numbers given that in Brighton he had a great functioning team, but quite a naif/even annoying at times frontline...plus the dude has 24 years old and he has the style and role as a player that grows in time like so many others in the past had (even fecking all time great ones). At the end, even with just staying in his current level, Mac Allister is really really far from a nothing player like it's said.
 
Unfortunately I expect Liverpool to be back this season like they were two seasons ago after that average 20/21 season they had.
 
You could get Liverpool about 16/1 for the title a few weeks back. Seems like a few in here should be all over that given they are apparently going to be city's closest challengers again or something
 
DatIrishFella said:
Lavia is so overrated on here its actually laughable.
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Yeah, and not just here but in general too.

The hype train has been quite something for a player who was the primary DM for the worst team in the league who got relegated because they were leaking so many goals. Lavia is no doubt a great talent and a very good player for his age but from what I've seen he's also still a bit raw and there's no guarantees he'll be ready to start for a side aiming to finish in the CL places.

I'm sure Liverpool were never actually planning to go into the season with Lavia as a key midfielder but rather the plan was to keep Fabinho as the more experienced starter and try to slowly bed in the youngster to take over eventually but the unexpected Fabinho move to Saudi Arabia has changed a lot. Now (assuming they buy him) Lavia will have to be a key player from day one and I'm not sure he's good enough for that yet. He might be eventually if his development continues over the next year or two but there's a chance he's being thrown to the wolves with the expectations simply too high for his current level and limited experience.

So yeah, long term it might be a great move to sell Fabinho when he still had some value and replace him with Lavia at just a little more money but in the short term they could struggle because of it.
 
Rnd898 said:
The hype train has been quite something for a player who was the primary DM for the worst team in the league who got relegated because they were leaking so many goals.
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Robertson and Wijnaldum were signed from relegated teams.
 
B20 said:
Robertson and Wijnaldum were signed from relegated teams.
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I know. They were also vastly more experienced as players than Lavia currently is, especially Gini.

The main point of my post was not so much Lavia playing for a relegated team but rather the fact he had only ever played for a relegated team and that his senior footballing experience is still very, very limited. Whenever I watched Southampton last season the talent was always there when evaluating him in context of his age but I didn't really see him as a ready-made starter for a top side.

Of course I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time for that to happen, but I think it's risky for Liverpool to put all their eggs in the Lavia basket when it comes to the DM position. Young players are more often than not inconsistent and need time and patience to thrive. If you just throw them into the deep end and expect them to perform miracles from the start, it could go sideway very quickly and now you won't even have the experienced heads to fall back on if needed.

There's a chance everything goes well and he's able to make the step up and become a key performer for you lot immediately but I wouldn't bank on that.
 
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