She excels in certain areas — she's athletic, has/had a good motor and is strong and brave, she's massively competitive and is a great gee-up character for her teammates, is prepared to get boos using a bit of kidology, is a menacing figure for the opposition at set pieces and racing in to connect with long, lashing crosses, but her limitations are becoming more marked — she's losing speed and strength, she's a bit easy to second-guess when she's on the ball, and she's apt to mis-control at just the wrong moment (that's not just based on her move that got cut out and led to Spain's goal in the WC final; in this year's Champions League final she played a pass mid-pitch-ish to someone under pressure, got the ball back again and then got easily dispossessed trying to shepherd it across the pitch parallel with the goal-line, directly leading to Wolfsburg's first goal). She's a been an outstanding servant to England and a great egg, but she was a ways off being England's best player. I think that's between Lauren Hemp, Alex Greenwood and Mary Earps. Alessia Russo put in some very good performances too.
WWC23 | England v Spain - Spain win the World Cup - and Rubiales gets sacked
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She had a good game vs Oz but that was about it - happy to admit Im biased now but I hope she struggles next season !
Agree on Bronze though
I'm probably mainly remembering her in that game and adding it to what she did early on in the match against China. She was terrific for that first goal: effectively started the move, controlling and shielding a high dropping ball, keeping hold of it along the flank with opponents around her and then hitting a great pass to Hemp with the outside of her boot, drifting into the box and eventually getting the ball back from James and hitting a strong low shot into the corner from a standing position, not much back-lift at all (had quite a lot of space, though; Bronze was in the box at the same time, being a nuisance and drawing Chinese defenders). I also thought she was admirable in the lead-up to Spain's goal in the final, realising the gap that Bronze had left, sensing Carmona making her run, and trying her best to get back and close down despite being quite a way up the pitch. Showed good awareness. She ought to have a very decent season indeed for Arsenal, but I understand why you say that you hope she doesn't; her departure must still feel raw.
It's very sad. The Rubiales case is just another classic example of machismo and men in power thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want.
Between this, the debate around Greenwood, and Infantino's implication that women are the only one's responsible for changing their standing in the world(complete with the classic 'I have 4 daughters so I can't possibly be sexist' line), it's been a very grim couple of weeks for women in football and in general.
Jenny Hermoso Just said that Rubiales should be punished. He is definitely Cooked and well deserved
Adding also him touching his balls besides the queen of spain and other representatives (like english federation).
Also calling idiots, stupids and losers to the ones criticizing the kiss
And many other micro details of a creep with the women team and definitely not cut to be in this kind of role
Adding also him touching his balls besides the queen of spain and other representatives (like english federation).
Also calling idiots, stupids and losers to the ones criticizing the kiss
And many other micro details of a creep with the women team and definitely not cut to be in this kind of role
The Rubiales stuff gets worse and worse.
It’s a huge shame that it has completely overshadowed the Spanish women’s incredible achievement.
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It’s a huge shame that it has completely overshadowed the Spanish women’s incredible achievement.
Its 2023 and women still have to deal with this sort of shit? You would think it was the 1950s
I wouldn't be surprised if Rubiales was on a mad cocaine bender. He lost all self control that evening. I had to double check if that picture was legit and it seems that it is. That's 22 year old Athenea del Castillo he's carrying on his shoulder.
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All the stuff about the Spanish team is disheartening. Hope the players get the last laugh !
I thought the same, the way he behaved
Also, about Athena, when they were celebrating the title in madrid and speaking to the public, the coach that was saved by Rubiales a few months back, mentioned Rubiales as a part of the women success (maybe a bit as he increased the budget from 9Mil to 27 mil) and you can see Athenea arching her eyebrows
Also, After the kiss, you can hear Jenni in a background comment that she didn't like it
But afterwards the spanish federation posted some Jenni comments, that it was all fine, that it was the spur of the moment and that she had a great friendship relationship with Rubiales and should focus on the success and not in an incident without importance. Aparently, the spanish federation lied and Jenni never said that and was a pathetic attempt to cover the incident up
Also Rubiales asked Jenni and the captain of spain to please appear with him in a video to save his ass and they rejected and he had to do the video alone in the flight layover in Doha
I am enjoying this asshole being dragged through the mud
But afterwards the spanish federation posted some Jenni comments, that it was all fine, that it was the spur of the moment and that she had a great friendship relationship with Rubiales and should focus on the success and not in an incident without importance. Aparently, the spanish federation lied and Jenni never said that and was a pathetic attempt to cover the incident up
Also Rubiales asked Jenni and the captain of spain to please appear with him in a video to save his ass and they rejected and he had to do the video alone in the flight layover in Doha
I am enjoying this asshole being dragged through the mud
While i'm not condoning what he did; there is plenty of research out their to indicated passion is expressed differently in different cultures. There is a danger here of two things; one being cultural imperialism, and two, a potential duality in thinking when it comes to kissing. While i do acknowledge the power dimension, in current thinking in some western countries, wouldnt been seen/thought of well when Spanish culture is in the spotlight.
Spanish culture within the Lewis model could be seen as;
Emotional, loquacious and impulsive who see family, feelings and relationships ahead of following an agenda. They are comfortable do many things at the same time.
Characteristics
Spanish culture within the Lewis model could be seen as;
Emotional, loquacious and impulsive who see family, feelings and relationships ahead of following an agenda. They are comfortable do many things at the same time.
Characteristics
- Talks most of the time
- Does several things at once
- Plans grand outline only
- Emotional
- Displays feelings
- Confronts emotionally
- Has good excuses
- Often interrupts
- People-orientated
- Feelings before facts
- Flexible truth
- Impatient
- Unlimited body language
- Seeks out key person
- Interweaves the social and professional
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Someone should tell the spanish players about their culture.
An interesting comment; i wonder what the dimensions of pressure are.
Not just the Spanish players. The Spanish government and several Liga club presidents.
Meanwhile, various women who've worked with him are coming out to say that it's certainly not a one off.
Meanwhile, various women who've worked with him are coming out to say that it's certainly not a one off.
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I’m sorry but what are you trying to say here?
The only danger is that man, being a complete idiot and a predator. Apologies for being blunt.
He's got a reputation for lack of respect towards his female employees behind the scenes - irrespective of the "passion" of the moment that comes with a world cup win. That's just what he thought was a good idea in public.
The point is - he's not a friend of theirs or even a drunken colleague doing the same job, who had a momentary lapse. He's their boss's boss. He's the man who decides what's acceptable conduct in the FA. He's the one who runs the complaints process if anyone complains about him or any of his staff.
In short, he's not fit for duty. Hopefully he'll get sacked on Friday at the Extraordinary General Meeting. Unfortunately, he'll probably walk away with a great payoff and protection of his pension plan. Unlike the women (including female players) who have had to leave their jobs because they didn't like the office culture and only had him to complain to.
I was very clear I was not condoning his actions. Like i said; different cultures express behaviours in different ways. To what extent acts are cultural is unclear, viewing any actions through a different lens as if none of his actions could be culture, could be cultural imperialism.
The point i'm making isn't anything to do with being a friend, or a female office work or female player kissing a female player or male player kissing a male players, or even a male worker having to leave his job beacuse of the actions of a female boss/colleague. It was about questiong something more and through a diffferent lens.
Then how do you explain the fact it is a huge controversy in Spain as well and there’s been a huge backlash and calls for his head from people who come from the same culture as him?
A huge backlash? I've no idea what that means.
What does cultural imperialism have to do with spanish women complaining a man is harassing them? Why would this desire of the women to see him face consequences might not be organic?
You're not being very clear about the point you're trying to make.
And now you're moving the goal posts.
Is it cultural imperialism because some of those complaining aren't Spanish? Except that the most significant complainants in the story are Spanish. You think they're missing something about their culture?
Or is it cultural imperialism because the primary complainants are women and he's a man?
Or is it cultural imperialism because they're younger than him and he's from a different generation?
Sure - use a different lens by all means, but don't use terms like cultural imperialism to describe it.
My lens says he shouldn't be in a position of power over people who he doesn't understand and doesn't respect. I'd be interested to hear any actual reason why his current and future employees should trust him.
What do you mean you don’t know what it means? Rubiales has faced a backlash in his own country, so how do you explain that, when your main point here appears to be that Rubiales’ actions is being judged by cultural norms or values not native to Spain. So I asked you a pretty straightforward follow up question. Unless I’ve completely misunderstood what you’re trying to say here.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? A huge reaction from players, media, politicians who said that he should quit.
This use of culture as an excuse has to stop. It's mostly just used to justify the inequalities that exist between men in positions of power and those they constantly abuse and take advantage of.
We need to ignore culture and look at the reality of each situation. If someone is treated in a way they don't find acceptable, the perpetrator must be held to account.
There seems to be a worrying trend where respect for culture is held in higher regard than respect for actual people.
You're answering from a position of superiority while cherry picking some actions. I certainly didnt defend any actions, i asked a question whether some actions are cultural.
Asking cultural question is fine and doesn't need to stop.
I'm not sure what you mean by some arent spanish or significant are, can / do you read the Spanish media? If not, how do you know the complaints are Spanish (eg loud voice of Rapinoe). You're assuming all complains relate to cross-gender interaction, which they aren't, nor are you comparing whether the same rationale is applied in all human interactions.
Yes, you are applying a lens, and it seems tinted.
Mate, this is Spain in 2023, not 1753... visit the place, if you think women go around accepting being kissed and grabbed, try doing it and you're in for a surprise. To be honest you'll probably be slapped in any country on earth if you do it.
It's quite frankly offensive to suggest this is somehow culturally acceptable and people from the outside are just applying their biases. You have spanish players complaining, spanish FA employes complaining, football people, like presidents, criticising, politicians saying it's unacceptable, government ministers condemning it. Check spanish newspaper comments online, the vast majority think he's a creep.
That's reality, not some wicked perversion of spanish culture from outside cultural imperialists.
Jesus H Christ...
It's quite frankly offensive to suggest this is somehow culturally acceptable and people from the outside are just applying their biases. You have spanish players complaining, spanish FA employes complaining, football people, like presidents, criticising, politicians saying it's unacceptable, government ministers condemning it. Check spanish newspaper comments online, the vast majority think he's a creep.
That's reality, not some wicked perversion of spanish culture from outside cultural imperialists.
Jesus H Christ...
If there is anyone on this forum who has clear, untinted lenses then its jojojo.
Yes, I read the Spanish media. I also listened to the Spanish women's league executive committee call for his sacking, alongside several government ministers and the presidents of several Liga clubs. I've heard her national players union do the same.
My "tint" is a desire for healthy workplace relationships that are based on mutual respect.
Nobdy does, but asking questions is correct, i'm not assuming.
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Despite all the fuss I think it's unlikely that he will resign.
The rumour is he might seek an internal sanction from the federation - which meets tomorrow - in order to avoid prosecution by the Higher Sports Committee
No, your tint isn't that at all. Like myself, I champion equality in the workplace, you seem to champion that. In this, not all actions criticised are cross-gender/equality/healthy workplace, it's much more complex and the truth or origins aren't entirely clear. I am not assuming truth, but have observed recordings through the celebrations that have been critcised/not citicised. I remain open minded.
He will resign tomorrow
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He's quitting tomorrow.
Is this gibberish a Jordan Peterson parody?
I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson; his research as a PI (Principle Investigator) is soil, and his latest book focuses on personal naratives as the source of truth. The guy has to be respected for over 1000 academic research articles. How many do you have? I cannot imagin suggesting someones role and observed video evidence are gibberish; do you want to edit your gibberish.
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He's an idiot, he really doesn't need to be respected.