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Not just last season, no. The issue goes back several seasons. Although, obviously, last season’s poor performances are freshest in the mind.
If you put a cat in a field and told it to act like a cow it would still act like a cat.
McT’s stats in terms of touches and passes have been poor no matter how he’s been used in central midfield for us, under ETH and previous managers.
As far as memory serves McTominay has always played in a deep position for United. With all four managers.
The one guy in this thread has to be affiliated with McTominay in some way, only explanation.
First bolded. If you reread my post i quite cleary told you I don't give a hoot about what other people think. I couldn't give two shits about these "analyzing" videos. Everything I'm telling you is based of my own eyes. Capice?
Scott played in the exact same position against Leeds as he normally did until Rangnick came in. It was just one of the few times that he actually made it work in an offensive sense, uncoincidentally against one of the most open teams that has played in the PL in the last decade or so. Both Mourinho (who didn't actually play him that much) and Ole normally had him next to Matic or Fred, both of whom were the deeper player with Scott nominally being the one with more freedom. He just rarely did anything with that freedom, and he provided so little on the ball some people incorrectly seemed to think we were using two DM's. It was normally only when he played with Pogba that he was actually the DM.
I’m lying am I? You sure are a weird individual. Do you even know what the definition of a lie is?
Yeah and Rangick was just such a raging success as a manager we should just go with this.
Because I'm not blindly mirroring the opinions of others and actually engaging my brain?
You, too.No hard feelings and I wish you a happy weekend
You said that "McTominay Is worth £45m according to you".
He has credentials and experience and coaching badges. He knows a damn sight more than some United fans (probably the same fans who wanted Ferguson fired during his sticky spell in the 80s) whose entire zenith of football analytics is "He hides".
Scott really wasn't any better in either role. It's not like his form dropped away significantly when he was moved deeper. Indeed, his first month under Rangnick and to a lesser extent his first month under ETH were two of his best periods of form he's had for us, probably behind only his late 18/19 and early 19/20 form.
Pogba was the deeper of the two when they played together.
I could be wrong, but I think they played both ways at different times. I know for sure Fred-Pogba did that (earlier matches it was Pogba who sat deeper, later on it was Fred), and I think Scott-Pogba were similar. Not certain on that though. Either way, Pogba's lack of defensive work would still mean Scott wouldn't really have the freedom to get forward too much.
McTominay and Pogba was the most unbalanced midfield 2 we played in the last few years. That's because even though Pogba was defensively suspect, McTominay lacked any sort of self awareness to be the covering the midfielder. He was bombing forward like an idiot for his grand total 0 goals and 0 assists, while our creative force was having to sit back and cover for him.
Would think it would be Case/Eriksen and Bruno, that midfield worked superbly against Forest last year. Would be keeping a close eye on the deeper 2, really need Case to get his legs back.
All of this can be true but the criticism of some players can be fully deserved. Especially when based on objective, statistical evidence. Such as McT’s constant lack of involvement, despite playing a position where he should be on the ball more than most others. That’s a failing on him and him alone.
Right on, one thing you can guarantee is that if Scot had played at Tottenham he would have put more effort than some of our untouchables. The team isn't failing because he hasn't moved it is failing because the ones trusted by the manager aren't listening to instructions and putting the required effort in. The running stats posted on twitter from our team compared to Spurs were disgraceful.
Can you post this?
The issue with Scott is that his strengths are things that are nice bonuses to have for a midfielder (good in the air, striding forward with the ball when he's in space, and shooting), while his weaknesses are the things that really make up the necessary basics for someone in that position (making himself available to receive the ball, positioning in general both when his team is in or out of possession, passing). Those aren't issues with the team as a whole or the system, they are issues with him. Now, whether poor coaching earlier in his career is potentially to blame is another question, and perhaps he'd have solved those issues if he hadn't had to deal with Mourinho and Ole and their lack of any real system. But it's probably too late for him to improve enough now.
couldn't agree more, that pass was absolutely shocking. i really thought we would finally be rid of him! id be so happy to see him go. dont care what anyone says he is the worst player in the history of club to have played the amount he has.
made me laugh
He’s big. Has he ever whowed much of that strength? Painfully average in all physical duels.
Did he not also clear 2 corners and skillfully skip past a midfielder in a congested area to win a free kick and reduce pressure?
Yes, but we ignore that, and that he has played very few mins in pre-season and the real stuff.
