Some of John Barnes' views on what is and isn't racism towards black people aren't something that I or a lot of non-black people would agree with. But I guess that according to your logic, whatever John Barnes says goes, right?
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We need like…a complete reset.
It’s a joke.
It’s a joke.
Indeed. If the test of being a racist is whether the person accused and their supporters agree with the accusation then there has never been any racism ever. I have a lot of Jewish friends and while many will privately agree that Corbyn's anti-semitism was weaponised as a wedge issue and often falsely equated with legitimate anti-zionism by bad actors, it was also a very real thing in its own right - as illustrated by his 'irony' jibe. Riley had every right to call him out.
It certainly has more personal validity than Rachel Riley's view on anti-black racism, if indeed she has one. And Rachel Riley's view of anti-semitism is infinitely more relevant than yours. The difference is you seem to think you know better about something you have never experienced.
Based on what?
Because you can’t suspend every player just on an accusation.
If you could, it’d be a decent tactic to have against a rival.
MG was different due to the audio and pictures being out in the public and Mason actually being, and this part important… arrested.
True. And just because the woman says so, it doesn’t mean he’s guilty.
It shouldn't even be a choice whether this club (or any club) can continue to use a player being accused of something like this. It should be coming down from the governing body itself.
In today's Los Angeles Times, Julio Urias (a very popular pitcher for the Dodgers) has just been accused of a second domestic abuse incident. The MLB commission suspended him. MLB also suspended Trevor Bauer, another Dodgers pitcher, for 194 games. There's precedent. Even if it's a season-killer.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodg...julio-urias-domestic-violence-case-commentary
In today's Los Angeles Times, Julio Urias (a very popular pitcher for the Dodgers) has just been accused of a second domestic abuse incident. The MLB commission suspended him. MLB also suspended Trevor Bauer, another Dodgers pitcher, for 194 games. There's precedent. Even if it's a season-killer.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodg...julio-urias-domestic-violence-case-commentary
Good post
Footballers shouldn't be role models. Most of them just spent all day playing the sport... they hung around other people who did the same.
it shouldn't come as a surprise. when young people play outside all day, don't prioritize education, are treated like gods by their peers for being good at a sport and make a shit load of money per week compared to any normal person their age, they'll probably turn out to be shallow/narcissistic/assholes more often than not.
Professional footballers that are genuinely good people are probably really hard to come by.
it shouldn't come as a surprise. when young people play outside all day, don't prioritize education, are treated like gods by their peers for being good at a sport and make a shit load of money per week compared to any normal person their age, they'll probably turn out to be shallow/narcissistic/assholes more often than not.
Professional footballers that are genuinely good people are probably really hard to come by.
Is this a gentle dig that I’m too stupid to get a handle on?! I’m happy to be educated on this. I spent a year living in Israel and met some incredibly fun living, proud hard working, brave people with horrifying family histories to share, that rocked me to my core. It was the best, and most formative year of my life. I acknowledge in advance that that sentence might come across as ‘I’ve got loads of black friends, but..’
I don’t know how you go about sharing an opinion that you believe someone’s religion/faith is clouding an otherwise intelligent mind. How would you say it if you thought it, or are you of the view that it’s much better left not said at all.
To reiterate, I want to learn if I’ve said something insensitive or insinuating, I’m not here to argue my right-ness; I’m frequently wrong!
Just going to reply to you as well, for clarity. I’d like to hear how, what seems reasonable in my brain doesn’t come across that way
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That’s the outlet that ran the allegations yesterday - not sure what sources they’d have at United to know that.
What's the precedent now? Does allegations (quite serious by the looks of it) mean that the player must be stopped from playing immediately? Is that consistent across the league?
It's over
Whatever Rachel says
Would be delighted simply because he’s shite and I know he can’t improve. We know his game. Can’t improve because he can’t get faster.
UOL is a terrible source. Its the same media outlet that published those leaks. You can write any nonsense and then say “considering”
Thumbs up.
You live up to your tagline
Do we not undertake any sort of background checks into players before signing them? I know this is incredibly difficult to find out but there has to be a way to conduct due diligence and mitigate risk, right?
Delighted he’d be out of the team not that he’s guilty. I’m only interested in the football part of the discussion in this thread.You live up to your tagline
Man we’re fecked so bad why are we exclusively recruiting feckheads.
Scholes feasting on his daughter’s toenails is the most normal Utd player.
Scholes feasting on his daughter’s toenails is the most normal Utd player.
Ok, fair.
I withdraw my comment then as i have nothing else but that post to base my view on your morals on.
Mate - I think I need a lie down. I have read and re-read that, and I’m just not seeing what it feels like others are seeing. Not quite sure what to do. I know my intentions were good (clearly not always the best defence, I know), and I know deep down that I absolutely abhor any kind of racism. I feel mortified. I want to delete it and will shortly, but I also want a response so I can understand why I’m doing so.
I don’t mean to sound melodramatic, but this feels like the worst aspersion I’ve ever had thrown at me. Abuse, I can take, but this feels like it goes right to the core of me being me me!
We underestimate the number of footballers in Europe's top and professional leagues. Crimes by footballers get more attention for whatever stupid reason (they're role models, bla bla) but numbers wise they are an upstanding section of the society (strictly going by crime convictions)
Unless the PL gets a squad of investigators who are available to every PL team, specialized in going to any neighborhood of the world to build a dossier, no
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Picking up pace
I'd forgotten about that.... thanks for ruining my evening
For some posters it wouldn't matter what a player had done as long as they play well for us at football.
Similarly, they'll probably be abusing players using horrific language when they don't play well.
Either kids with zero perspective or more sinister middle aged people with horrible attitudes.
All leave cancelled for the United HR, PR and lawyer teams.
Yeah, tough one that. He has played under the same manager for some 3 years now. If ETH couldn't see it coming then I imagine a background check wouldn't help either.
This is why players should remain silent while the case is under investigation. If he really hurt her then lying about it makes it ten times more despicable.
losing antony would really hurt our possession even more. Feel like pellistri is more a counter attack in space kinda guy (assuming he comes in for antony )
I'm glad Rachel Riley is defining club policy, we are run by cowards.
What an absurd thing to say.
Ajax really fecked us hard with this transfer, didn't they?
I heard they were crunchy and smelled like wet socks
What fecking pressure, and from who? Journalists?
The club is not under pressure from the FA, PL, UEFA, FIFA, MUST, daytrippers, it's players... To do anything but let things evolve.
What pressure are we under that City and Arsenal and Chelsea and PSG and Juventus somehow avoided, fielding players entangled in sticky situations?
You don't think the fact they are wealthy expensive assets might get them off a transgression or two?
I kind of feel there's going to be some reverse backlash now where public opinions sways the other way.