Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

[BuzzKillington]

What would be the point in sacking him now? He’s tailored the squad to what he wants and we don’t have any money or an open transfer window to sign new players for any new manager.

Even worse, the players he has signed have very little sell on value with the exception of Martinez.

May as well ride it out for now, things can change quickly and we could look completely different in the space of a couple of games. There were some signs there at the start of todays game.

We need to avoid a battering at Bayern at all costs or we’re likely to spiral due to external pressures, fans getting on the players backs and general squad harmony.

 

[Castia]

Who replaces him?

Sounds hyperbolic after todays game but the Brighton manager will be in demand at any big vacancy coming up in the next 12 months. He’s took over a side that’s sold it’s best players yet somehow they’ve got better. He plays a good brand of football with the likes of Lallana, Welbeck and Gilmour all being regular starters.

Most impressive manager in the league outside of Pep/Klopp for me.

 

[LordSpud]

It was a massive cause for concern when he dismissed the help from Rangnick. Even though RR has been proven to be right on most of the things he said, and the list of players he provided to the club - which we didn't follow up on - have since worked out elsewhere.

 

[Reddevildans]

Talking purely on the football side of things I've always thought he was overrated. This was my conclusion from the end of last season. The problem we have is that outside of Klopp and Guardiola there's hardly any stand out managers that will completely transform our team. And what I mean by that is win us the league and ucl. Arteta and Co won't ever get close to pep. We just have to accept that until those two leave we ain't winning the big ones.

What I'm most disappointed with ten hag is the shape, tactics and in game management seen. Its been poor. I don't wish to go into detail but we are far too open in the middle, still don't have patterns of play, rely on balls over the top to Rashford, and moments of brilliance here and there. His subs are also baffling. He's been unlucky with the shaninigans outside football.

We simply lack numbers upfront. And that means goals. Mount was such an unnecessary signing. I just want to see good football ffs. Us dominating possession away from home and not relying on 1 goal margin wins. I want to see comfortable wins with chances created. We have not seen that with ETH for some time now. Regressed.

 

[YSB99]

Won’t be sacked until it’s mathematically impossible to get top 4 to avoid some stupid payout and as a result the season will be sacrificed, he’s not the one, it was clear after the 7-0, Klopp was in charge of Liverpool about 5 weeks and had a shite Liverpool squad turning Chelsea and City over 3-1 and 4-1 away, we’ve seen nothing close to that in the year he’s been here, we’ve seen us get more hidings than great performances if we’re honest, his signings have been awful for the most part and Onana looks to be the latest disaster of the last 10 years, to be fair to him we’re a mess from top to bottom and no manager would succeed here but he’s still the one who condones the likes of Rashford walking around all game shooting on sight every chance he gets, if he actually dropped players for shite like that I’d back him more

 

[LordSpud]

To even insinuate he is comparable to Ole is disrespect.

I think Ten Hag wil achieve much more than his predesessors, which is making us relevant as a top team again.

He's got to change it quick then - finish outside the Top 4 at the end and he's gone.

 

[SNes]

100% keep, no point changing the manager until we get new owners and a director or football who knows what he's doing.

 

[Jacob]

I would say sack if there is a high quality manager available

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I think there is a chance that, with everything that's going on, he might have lost, or be losing the players. It's clear something isn't right

 

[hellhunter]

It was a massive cause for concern when he dismissed the help from Rangnick. Even though RR has been proven to be right on most of the things he said, and the list of players he provided to the club - which we didn't follow up on - have since worked out elsewhere.

Rangnick was a guy knowing his onions but utterly incapable of transmitting that knowledge to his players.

Still a weird look coming into a new job and flat out rejecting help from someone that worked with the players

 

[AndySmith1990]

To even insinuate he is comparable to Ole is disrespect.

I think Ten Hag wil achieve much more than his predesessors, which is making us relevant as a top team again.

Based on facts, what's he done at United so far that elevates him so much higher than Solskjaer to the point comparisons are disrespectful?

Your second paragraph is blind faith and means nothing

 

[Thom Merrilin]

He's got to change it quick then - finish outside the Top 4 at the end and he's gone.

Surely not, unless he completely loses the dressing room.

 

[Delano]

Everyone ie flavour of the month on the Caf.

Do you think De Zerbi has a better track record then EtH?

 

[hellhunter]

Surely not, unless he completely loses the dressing room.

Why not? Post SAF that's exactly what we've been doing

 

[RyRy11]

I'd keep purely because it wont matter who we have in charge, we wont win anything until the club begins running itself like a big club. We shouldn't be looking in the bargain bin for his ex players. Same old story for this club, a tonne of money spent for nothing to show for it. We never learn.

 

[bosnian_red]

How do you motivate a side with the likes of Mr Manchester who looks like he will storm off the pitch unless his defender lets him have a clean run at goal? Or a centre back who quite publicly held the club to ransom and refused to leave? Or a fullback who, despite the best intent in the world, can't actually pass the fecking ball.

We still have a lot of players who either can't or won't do what the manager wants, and the hierarchy at the club let's them get away with it.

You find a system and a selection of players that work. Rashford provides enough on the ball to be worth his spot, and him having a shit work rate alone isn't the cause of this. Have your squad. Punt out the ones you don't want. There's only so many excuses that can be made. He did well last year. But he has a CF now and a GK now which were 2 gaping holes. There is no excuse to go backwards. There aren't excuses to be completely out coached. Today had 0 to do with individuals. Today was all about the system. There were massive spaces for McTominay and Eriksen to cover all day, and they struggled with it all day. How Ten Hag saw that game and didn't see what was so painfully obvious to me is what is concerning to me. It was the most basic of adjustments from Brighton and they eases to a dominant victory.

 

[VP89]

He's got to change it quick then - finish outside the Top 4 at the end and he's gone.

Wait for us to even get a third of the way through the season let alone finish. We were in equally precarious positions last season and had a good season.

Based on facts, what's he done at United so far that elevates him so much higher than Solskjaer to the point comparisons are disrespectful?

Your second paragraph is blind faith and means nothing

Based on facts, he's already outdone Ole and it took one season. There is nothing blind about my post.

 

[Giggsy13]

We got third last season without a natural goalscoring striker and we have improved the squad massively this season. I feel it is just knee jerk to say we will not challenge for top four. Once we get manioo, amarabat and even mount back in the squad, our midfield will look much stronger. And I changed 'might' to 'will'

I think the injuries and off field drama have taken a major toll on the squad. It also doesn’t help when our manager makes the baffling decisions that he made today. I do hope we turn it around and contend for top 4, and players returning will be a major boost, but the title is already gone.

 

[Old Ma Crow]

Sack the Glazers(and Maguire) keep ETH.

 

[Appletonred]

How many times has this been a conversation over the manager during the last ten years, the club needs change at the very top and a sound structure in place otherwise whoever the manager is will just be operating with one arm tied behind their back, the club only starts to genuinely recover when there is legitimate change at the top and with owners who let the club run on its own potential with the handbrake off and its identity rediscovered.

 

[Thom Merrilin]

Why not? Post SAF that's exactly what we've been doing

And that strategy has served us well so far. Oh wait...

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Do you think De Zerbi has a better track record then EtH?

Just so silly to even consider De Zerbi. Before Brighton, he was managing Shakthar Donetsk and a bunch of unknown Italian clubs. Chelsea tried their luck with Graham Potter. How did that go?

 

[sillwuka]

The concerning thing is my desire to watch United has decreased because we are playing such tumescent football with no identity in sight.

Hope it improves.

 

[Andycoleno9]

What would have been the right subs or set-up? He was always taking Hojlund off as it was only his 2nd game back - bring on Maguire at ST?

Who is talking about Hojlund?
You spend one year in playing in one way, you spend a fortune on players for that system and then because two players are unavailable, you completely change formation And way of play. I am not against diamond formation but changing into that after only few games in a season is just wrong decision.
Playing McT; how many games you need to realise that he is not good enough?
Not changing formation/players on half time despite things obviously don't work.
Pellistri is a right winger. If he is not good even now when all wingers are down then why did he keep him?

He had a bad game. Just as players have. That is it.

 

[TheNewEra]

Won’t be sacked until it’s mathematically impossible to get top 4 to avoid some stupid payout and as a result the season will be sacrificed, he’s not the one, it was clear after the 7-0, Klopp was in charge of Liverpool about 5 weeks and had a shite Liverpool squad turning Chelsea and City over 3-1 and 4-1 away, we’ve seen nothing close to that in the year he’s been here, we’ve seen us get more hidings than great performances if we’re honest, his signings have been awful for the most part and Onana looks to be the latest disaster of the last 10 years, to be fair to him we’re a mess from top to bottom and no manager would succeed here but he’s still the one who condones the likes of Rashford walking around all game shooting on sight every chance he gets, if he actually dropped players for shite like that I’d back him more

Top 5 now for CL

 

[PepG]

Eth is the most overhyped manager ever. Playing weghorst as a number 10 should be a clear sign of his tactical clueness

At Ajax it was no difference. Who the hell subs an inexperienced/unfit player in, in the most most important game in forever..the cl semi final against spurs. Mallagan was subbed in, last minutes. It was him who the made the mistake in the last minute that saw spurs scoring the winning. Before being sub in the spurs..before that all together he must've played 10minutes in total all last minutes subs.

Who does that??? Same with the Eth experiment at Ajax. Promes playing at 10, labyad as striker. Absolute disgrace having those two players playing that position. It went on for matches that because of his stubborn. End of his last season at Ajax he played Haller as a right wing. A tall long striker with no speed, no passing, no dribbling.

Ohh yea and his second season at Ajax saw on the worst run in club history defeat after defeat. He was only saved by Corona, since that ended the season earlier.

Theres such along list of dumb/clueless/stubborn and ohh yea let's not forget his subs. Ask any Ajax fan about his subs. Absolute the most overhyped manager

I am taking back this overhyped manager asap as our current situation is a lot worse than it was with him. Yes, i want ETH back because our structure is perfect for him. United one is not.

 

[Skills]

He is very likely to stay beyond 3 years.

I'm sure Moyes, Mourinho and Ole were also due for a 20 year tenure.

He’s the best manager we’ve had since Ferguson and not at all comparable to Moyes (who had zero credibility at this level and whose first season was a disaster), Mourinho (who has not been a long term solution for anybody, ever) and Ole (who simply lacked experience and skills to perform in the job over longer period of time).

Of course there’s still a chance things will go wrong but based on his first season wit us it seems very likely that he will be able to sustain success over the long term (thinking 6-7 years here, anything beyond that is always a bonus with managers, even the best of them).

How confident are you feeling now mate?

 

[Thom Merrilin]

He's too smart to take this job.

Sadly true. I worry that if the ownership issue doesn't get resolved we will struggle to attract top tier coaches and managers. They just don't get the support they need to do their job properly.

 

[Stadjer]

I think the injuries and off field drama have taken a major toll on the squad. It also doesn’t help when our manager makes the baffling decisions that he made today. I do hope we turn it around and contend for top 4, and players returning will be a major boost, but the title is already gone.

You think there was any chance Manchester United was getting near the title this year? The title is gone for Manchester United just like it is gone for Luton Town. Neither was going to win it this season.

 

[Big Ray]

Keep. He gets a by ball and a clean slate when the parasites leave and we have a settled squad without all the off the field stuff.

 

[hellhunter]

And that strategy has served us well so far. Oh wait...

Do you see us changing that approach?

 

[Superunknown]

I do find it funny how easily the club is able to move managers on than players.

If ETH goes this season, it will mean that Martial will have survived Van Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Carrick (as caretaker), Rangnick (as interim) and ETH. The lack of good scouting and transfer business has been by far our biggest failure this last decade. The structure of the club continues to be a mess and it will continue to be a mess after ETH goes, whenever he goes. The club has become a dead end. A place where talent goes to die.

 

[Sarni]

Based on facts, what's he done at United so far that elevates him so much higher than Solskjaer to the point comparisons are disrespectful?

Your second paragraph is blind faith and means nothing

The League Cup, the trophy we normally don’t care about but has suddenly become pinnacle of football when we won it.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Because ETH has already been giving the tools to succeed with getting the players he wanted and time. So far, what I m noticing is that even with the backing he got, he still can't implement an attractive brand of football that brings result. I will be fine with either one of those, but I have not seen none yet. But, I will still give him time to see if he can turn it around

he’s been backed ? Are you sure? As many of his signings have been loan deals or free transfers. Do you see pep getting loan deals? No you don’t. Do you see him holding on to players with attitude problems? Nope. United also over pay for players. That’s not on ETH. Our recruitment is non existent. Again, not on ETH. Can’t sell players he clearly doesn’t want. Not on ETH.

 

[Nani Nana]

*checks watch*

Yup, it's time for him to go.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Do you think De Zerbi has a better track record then EtH?

What?

My point is that it's a tiresome cliché on here that's overused. I'm on record as saying that I would be weary signing any Brigton players or taking their manager as the structures at the club are top class. I said as much when Chelsea took Potter.

I do like De Zerbi though, he looks a good manager and I enjoy watching Brighton.

 

[joedirt87]

I don't want to sack him, but I want to see ETH make legitimate changes to a team that is clearly underperforming once (more like if) he can ever get the squad healthy.

 

[Giggsy13]

You think there was any chance Manchester United was getting near the title this year? The title is gone for Manchester United just like it is gone for Luton Town. Neither was going to win it this season.

I didn’t think we’d win the title but I was hoping we’d at least come closer and be more competitive. Clearly that has not gone to plan so far.

 

[Kopral Jono]

Keep.

 

[Sarni]

How confident are you feeling now mate?

Not at all. I was very wrong about him, perhaps judging him based on his best season at Ajax. He’s a very mediocre manager it turns out and will probably end up managing Wolfsburg or Fulham at best once we inevitably dismiss him.