We are firmly second fiddle in our own City now and half the people on here are like. No problem, nothing to see here.You writing 50 word essays in front of each signing and then trying to discount some with some weird logic is not going to change the fact that 400m were spent since ETH has been here on his signings.
The standards are truly down the shitter. Moyes said we aspire to be like City and fans were rightly outraged. Now we can only dream to be compete with Villa or Spurs after spending the budget of a small nation. How the mighty have fallen!Neighbours about to win 6th league title in 7 years and 4th straight title and we have fans defending the worst United season in Premier League history.
Don't even think it's close. At least Liverpool fans in general were deluded about their entire club.It's hilarious because Bruno has only missed 2 games all season. He hasn't had a good season either. He only found some form since April. Bro was there for the other 17 losses.
It might be a straight shoot-out between Liverpool and ourselves for the title of "most deluded fanbase". The post SAF years really exposed us.
This is why I've never really got the RAWK comparisons. They were writing poetry about Lucas, Kuyt and Skrtel. They thought Benitez and Rodgers were the second coming.Don't even think it's close. At least Liverpool fans in general were deluded about their entire club.
Manchester United fans for the most part hate everything about their own club bar the manager
They despise the players, they hate most of the footballing staff (apart from the manager) and even the non-footballing staff have come under fire recently.
So true. This team (and the fans) has no standards anymore.Neighbours about to win 6th league title in 7 years and 4th straight title and we have fans defending the worst United season in Premier League history.
Everyone else at the club just exist to be blamed for the managers mistakes.Don't even think it's close. At least Liverpool fans in general were deluded about their entire club.
Manchester United fans for the most part hate everything about their own club bar the manager
They despise the players, they hate most of the footballing staff (apart from the manager) and even the non-footballing staff have come under fire recently.
Agreed, Liverpool and Arsenal fans are just purely delusional. Utd fans can sometimes be entitled, but mostly we are easily the most negative fanbase around. I blame the media who know they can spin any negative story into headline news. It's a shame a portion of our fans eat that up, though.
The manager is taking tonnes of blame though so who is this levelled at?
Nail on the head.Don't even think it's close. At least Liverpool fans in general were deluded about their entire club.
Manchester United fans for the most part hate everything about their own club bar the manager
They despise the players, they hate most of the footballing staff (apart from the manager) and even the non-footballing staff have come under fire recently.
He's still at the club so he obviously hasn't taken the appropriate amount of blame for the position we're in.
I don't think we shit enough and give everyone more than a fair chance. That's why our managers have lasted longer than they should have and Lingard, Jones, Martial etc stayed long enough to get testimonials. Not many fan bases would accept such lowering of standards like we have done over the last XI years. We have allowed the Glazers and Woody to make us a laughing stock of world football. Now everything from our stadium to the training ground to the squad are in a dilapidated condition despite we being on of the highest revenue earning clubs in the world. And we don't even know if this is the nadir or we'll witness further depths.
The Glazers, Richard Arnold, John Murtough, Darren Fletcher, Steve McClaren, Eric Ramsay Benni McCarthy, Mike Clegg, Gary O'Driscoll, INEOS, etc.
Has anyone said this?
Most of their names have come up at one point or another over the past 2 years. Maybe not Mike Clegg. I was kind of taking the piss with him. Haha.
The trouble is, this isn't high expectations; it's delusions. Do you truly believe even with signings this squad is anywhere near the pace? Some of that is partially down to Ten Hag, but a far bigger issue, are the legacy players left by previous managers. I just think this line of 'expectations' builds everyone up for disappointment. Better to be realistic and just demand progress next season.
We should’ve done better this season, no doubt about it, but no way was this squad going to challenge for the title next year under any manager.
While there's a minority of people who are blaming everything and everyone. There are plenty of people, like myself, who can acknowledge some of the issues caused by Ten Hag this season but who are also willing to try and contextualise other issues. The injuries, while not an excuse to derail a season completely, have been unprecedented and would have significantly hindered any manager. The structure at the club isn't the magic bullet, some claim, but it's an undeniable fact that we have been shockingly mismanaged from the top down. All our previous managers (good and bad) have fallen victim to this terrible structure and made a hard job, nigh on impossible.Most of their names have come up at one point or another over the past 2 years. Maybe not Mike Clegg. I was kind of taking the piss with him. Haha.
Arnold and Murtough get blamed more than most in terms of our poor structure, yet aren't ever blamed for hiring ten Hag.
Benni McCarthy was getting praised for Rashford's upturn in goals last season. Now people wonder what he's doing at all due to our lack of goals.
That was expected this year, and he failed. Is it even realistic to demand it from his 3rd season?
I mean its kind of tongue in cheek, of course this side isn't challenging. But if we'd bought well last summer, and actually you know progressed as a team this season, we should be looking at the 3rd season as at least having a crack at it. But we'll be miles off.
Hiring Ten Hag was not a mistake. He was the hottest prospect back then and the only other realistic alternative was Pochettino - a known nearly man. It was a calculated risk. It didn't pay off, and not all the blame lies with him.Most of their names have come up at one point or another over the past 2 years. Maybe not Mike Clegg. I was kind of taking the piss with him. Haha.
Arnold and Murtough get blamed more than most in terms of our poor structure, yet aren't ever blamed for hiring ten Hag.
Benni McCarthy was getting praised for Rashford's upturn in goals last season. Now people wonder what he's doing at all due to our lack of goals.
Progress isn't linear. It wasn't for Arsenal under Arteta, it wasn't under Klopp with Liverpool (they have had plenty of up and down seasons) and it wasn't with Fergie at Utd. Context does matter, the uncertainty hanging over the club with the sale, the drama of Greenwood/Ronaldo/Sancho sagas, and the unprecedented injury list to a less than stellar squad. They leave a dark cloud, and there are very few managers who come out of those spells smelling of roses. I think with the right recruitment this summer, though, we could make more progress than some seem to think possible. Obviously, a large part of that relies on INEOS nailing what the Glazers couldn't and bringing in the correct players, but unlike many, I do think Ten Hag has a long term vision for this team. I'll be disappointed if we don't get to at least see if he can get closer to that next year.
Where is this alleged pickiness reported?
Yeah, but the difference between us and Chelsea and Newcastle is that even though they've had multiple injuries also, they haven't struggled to score goals.
I'm not being funny, but why should we care about this? To me this is the erosion of standards people should be talking about. I'd rather finish 8th, 8th, 1st than 4th, 3rd and 2nd. It's this kind of short-term thinking that has put us in this situation. Lets hire Mourinho a proven short term manager who left us in an even bigger mess when he left. We are seeing the same short-term thinking being displayed now; let's abandon any intention of playing modern progressive football to get better short-term results by playing a more pragmatic style. That style might make us harder to beat in a one off season, but a commitment to the progressive style will win you the big titles long term.
I don't think we should be challenging for the title by the way, but he should be doing better than this shouldn't he?
Did you not hear "not many viable candidates" that has been said by fans and media?
It absolutely was though.
1) Our attack isn't good enough. I said it in the summer, and I'll say it again now: we need to add some serious firepower to this team regardless of any manager.
Yes, but I have a question for you. Do you think we would be doing better this season minus the injuries? Even Klopp's Liverpool has had two really poor seasons in his tenure because of injuries, so it's not just an excuse. It's especially prevalent when the wider squad is as poor as ours. As I've explained in other posts, that hasn't been the only issue, but the injuries this year would be enough to derail any team for a one-off season.
He‘s definitely Dutch and from a part of The Netherlands where people are even more direct. His English is not great, but I like him maybe more than Guardiola and Klopp because he is straightforward.
You have no idea what the "game model" will be, I doubt anyone at Ineos does yet either. And Ten Hag has proven this season to be the most stubborn tactically inflexible manager around. He cant even cope with coaching and implementing his own system let alone a different one.
Two 8th placed finishes for Arteta, who looked out of his depth, and for the vast majority on this board, we thought he would be sacked. If that was Utd, I can guarantee you we would have some of the same posters crying about lack of standards and the rest. For Klopp, his initial period at Liverpool was quite linear; he looked to be getting the team better season after season. However, he still took a long time to find the balance; at first, he couldn't seem to stop his team from conceding chances/goals. He also wouldn't have planned to have two seasons where injuries completely derailed them and they ended up out the top four. Thats not progression, the only difference is Klopp had enough goodwill to ensure he survived them.
And there's every chance his head does roll. But there's a portion of fans here that are ignoring the wider context and attributing blame to the manager when the finger could and should be pointed elsewhere.
When was that said?
But even with everyone fit, we had a positive patch of form last season, and thats about it. Injuries are one thing, but as a manage, he's managed them awfully this season. The way he set us up, and the way we've gone into games tactically has been appalling. Would we have had a better season if everyone was fit? I would have expected so, but it's all hypothetical, the reality is we've been dog shit.
If we spend 200-300m this season, that would put the spending to 600-700m. That's enough to make a title-challenging team even if you start without any player at all, providing that the decision makers and the manager know what they are doing.
I agree here. But I think it has to be mentioned that there were a lot of mistakes made in the last couple of years. So obviously a frustration deepening without the biggest of hope of a turnaround (before last year at least) will lead to people being disappointment. I am sure that would apply to many fanbases, but there aren't many who are in comparable situations.Don't even think it's close. At least Liverpool fans in general were deluded about their entire club.
Manchester United fans for the most part hate everything about their own club bar the manager
They despise the players, they hate most of the footballing staff (apart from the manager) and even the non-footballing staff have come under fire recently.
For them it isn't negative. It is just stuff that generates clicks. Plus the decisions that have been made by the club during the last decade have been mistakes. Big ones, many ones.
Completely agree. Nice to see that kind of thinking from time to time.
