Even if that's fairly harmless for once, I just hate absolutely everything about the DM. One of the worst cancers in British society.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 51
- Clean sheets
- 13
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 6
I'd love to go over the top and declare him the worst keeper to have ever played but I can't lower myself to the level of some.
But it's not been the best of starts. Some good moments, some howlers. Doesn't seem to have any real connection with the rest of the defence (injuries don't help in fairness).
What is interesting is how those proclaiming him as the chosen one will now use similar arguments to defend him that they quickly dismissed previously. It's those in front of him, the defence is a unit etc etc.
But it's not been the best of starts. Some good moments, some howlers. Doesn't seem to have any real connection with the rest of the defence (injuries don't help in fairness).
What is interesting is how those proclaiming him as the chosen one will now use similar arguments to defend him that they quickly dismissed previously. It's those in front of him, the defence is a unit etc etc.
Especially when we were playing 2 of them. Jesus that was rough.
The only thing separating him from Average keepers is he’s decent with the ball at his feet. His shot stopping is no better than Dean Henderson’s.
In terms of having a keeper who can play out from the back he has made that difference.
He was meant to be the difference maker!
It still requires the team to do something useful at that point though.
Still though, read the thousands of comments on here last season about how a ball playing GK would be transformative for us. That's a far sight from him now needing a better team ahead of him to look good. I've heard that argument before with Pogba.
I doubt he is an improvement over DDG pointwise. Great ballplayer but at best a decent keeper.
But not if you have players in front of you who are shit on the ball
He was meant to be the difference maker!
It's a typical ManUnited story. A player just finished his season playing against the best team in the world in CL final where he performed impressively to the point where Pep didn't bother asking the players to press him.
Then he joined ManUnited.
And suddenly he's turned into Ben Foster roleplaying as René Higuita + his hands are sweatier than ever.
Then he joined ManUnited.
And suddenly he's turned into Ben Foster roleplaying as René Higuita + his hands are sweatier than ever.
But that’s minimizing exactly how comfortable he is with his feet? We all knew this when he was bought, he was bought for the exact thing you want to disregard. Although I’d say he is a better shot stopper than Henderson.
I remember how this same fan base absolutely destroyed Harry Maguire for taking 2 more second on the ball than they would have liked, blaming him for stopping and disrupting our play. Now I watch this guy wank on the ball every game like some GK in a street tournament and it's modern football?
Also he is absolute liability on crosses, if that was DDG caught under a header like he was on Saturday, you'd have the oranges GK expert guy on here explaining how 20 other GK in the league do it better and he is shit.
Also he is absolute liability on crosses, if that was DDG caught under a header like he was on Saturday, you'd have the oranges GK expert guy on here explaining how 20 other GK in the league do it better and he is shit.
Jeez guys, give the bloke a minute to settle before deciding he's no good.
I like what I'm seeing so far. If he doesn't drop 8 clangers a season he'll be better than De Gea.
I like what I'm seeing so far. If he doesn't drop 8 clangers a season he'll be better than De Gea.
Shot stopping not good enough so far. Passing underwhelming, he holds the ball too long, slows down the game, the opposition leisurely get into formation to defend against us. Then we see aimless passing around the first third of the pitch until someone realises we’re not making progress and thumps a long one forward.
So far he must be averaging 85% pass completion, De Gea was getting 78-80% if memory serves correctly last season. I’m sure De Gea would be getting 85% if it was deemed alright for him to slow down our play and play short passes between the defenders for a few minutes. Yet to see this accurate long ball Onana supposedly has in his locker, the likes of Goldbridge and the rest of the hangers on in the media made him out to be Scholes-esque in that department.
Oh and to reiterate… he’s a goalkeeper. His shot stopping is very poor from what we’ve seen.
So far he must be averaging 85% pass completion, De Gea was getting 78-80% if memory serves correctly last season. I’m sure De Gea would be getting 85% if it was deemed alright for him to slow down our play and play short passes between the defenders for a few minutes. Yet to see this accurate long ball Onana supposedly has in his locker, the likes of Goldbridge and the rest of the hangers on in the media made him out to be Scholes-esque in that department.
Oh and to reiterate… he’s a goalkeeper. His shot stopping is very poor from what we’ve seen.
Even after 5 years of blunder after blunder and getting the club knocked out of cups and costing top 4 with abysmal performances, you still defended DDG to the end.
You guys just can't handle the fact that a quite few of us were right about DDG. He is gone and still doesn't have a new job, time to get over it.
Maybe give Onana some time to settle into the team and the league and stop writing the guy off after a few games.
I thought he was decent against Burnley?
He was. There was one cross near the end from a corner he was caught out on a bit, but that happens to every keeper.
Most people are complaining about how he spent too long on the ball, but that's because teams aren't pressing him like they did with DDG. They're waiting for him to pass and then springing the press. In a sense this is what we want them to do, but it needs better movement in the phase after the first pass so you can pull a team out of position as they press and you exploit the space that leaves.
We didn't do that very well against Burnley though because we don't have the best midfielders at coming deep to help with that, especially when McT plays. Casemiro tries and is semi decent at it, but it should improve if Amrabat or Mount start playing. Martinez is a big miss too as he can pick a forward pass.
It should be something we see improve if we can start to field our better midfielders and a settled defense. You have to show some bravery and they're all too nervous about making mistakes at the moment. A settled team and a few wins should see this part of the plan get better.
I think he's getting better, decent game against Burnley and apart from the error in the Bayern match, he actually played well, made some good saves.
Give the guy a chance to settle into a new league and team.
It’s not like there is a settled team in front of him yet.
At least he isn’t injured yet.
It’s not like there is a settled team in front of him yet.
At least he isn’t injured yet.
DDG cost us cups and top 4?!
I bet you will find a way about how he will cost us top 4 this season also, you only need time.
And regarding being right or wrong, you and the other GK guru JBL or whatever, were proclaiming that there were at least 10 GKs in the league alone that would improve us, how a modern GK would transform our game and rubbish like that. Were you right, how is it going Guardiola?
He had something like 65% pass success against Burnley.
It was there from day one when he hit some top drawer passes to Rashford.. who then miscontrolled or messed up
Opponents wouldnt allow that. Every opponent would press DDG because they know he would boot it forward or mess up and give away the ball in a bad position.
Onana has been fine. He made a mistake against Bayern but that is it.
Wow, I didn’t realise it was so low.
Happy with our play being slowed down and opponents easily nullifying one of our teams strengths, quick counter attacking then?
Haven’t seen it since. Using that logic Jonny Evans is Pirlo after his one pass against Burnley.
May as well be come African cup of nations time. Just in time for the fixture congestion and cup runs in the new year. Nice.
He was louded as one of the best GK with his feet before he came here, but suddenly he is only decent for some of our fans. Ok.
You DDG fan boys are still such an insufferable bunch.DDG cost us cups and top 4?!
I bet you will find a way about how he will cost us top 4 this season also, you only need time.
And regarding being right or wrong, you and the other GK guru JBL or whatever, were proclaiming that there were at least 10 GKs in the league alone that would improve us, how a modern GK would transform our game and rubbish like that. Were you right, how is it going Guardiola?
FA cup semi final, CL v Barca, league game v Chelsea, Everton where he kicked the ball straight at the Everton player. Did his best to repeat it last season with howlers v Everton in the Cup and West Ham in the league. Then there was that showing in the Europa League vs Sevilla. Plenty more examples where they came from too.
It will, give it time. But it's only been 5 or 6 games. Takes time for the whole team to adjust and gel with new players, half the back 4 is missing through injury, half the midfield is missing through injury. You can already see the higher press is working better, Utd have to most amount of high turnovers in the league. The passing and control around the back is much better, what's missing is the link up in midfield between the defence and attack.
Don't be coming out with the I told you so line after a handful of games. If he turns out to be shit, I'll say it. I'm not going to label him the new Barthez just yet.
He’s did it since. I’m just saying that he’s done it since day one
There's more to football than press the GK. This line many of you push so hard on here is even more ridiculous when you think we still started with McT in midfield and even Casemiro, add to that the likes of Rashford who even at his best of games is so easily dispossessed or sheperd to move the ball backwards, we also went and added Hojlund who by the looks of it is closer to Lukaku than to someone like Aguero. But yeah "opponents would press DDG" and it was over, what about Onana's 65% pass success against Burnley, he wasn't pressed so what? Did he bring anything to the team with his passing?
But there has been at least two excellent claims on low crosses into the box, one at the end vs wolves and one the other day... DDG wouldn't have gone near them without pissing himself.
There no point.
Bunch of butt hurt DDG fan boys who said everyone who criticised him had an agenda, can't handle the fact that he's gone and nobody wants him.
Yet, here we are, a few games in and his replacement is getting written off by these same people. Morons, the lot of them.
Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? DDG fanboy? Of course I am, like many United fans who were able to recognize quality unlike some.
Yeah DDG cost us goals, maybe even some games, yet he earned it for the team to bail him out now and again, guess what, they didn't 90% of the time, because most often he was surrounded by garbage.
Yeah it's been couple of games for Onana, but since you often are so thorough, you should maybe pay attention to other part of his goalkeeping apart from ball playing capabilities and howlers who in the slow amount of games are pretty persistent. A correct ref decision and he was costing us penalty on open day, that GK masterclass against Forrest for the first goal and of course Bayern. His ball handling capabilities look average from what can be seen.
And yeah the higher press is working wonders, the only benefit of it seems to be our reverting to LVG style of passing back and forth.
We are on track to miss out on top 4, wake up and go and watch how teams around us are playing football. He will be an expensive flop and we will buy another GK in the next 3 transfer windows.
He is garbage, just a bit more confident than DDG.
You remembered his quality, it disappeared in 2018 and aside from a few brief glimpses here and there, it's largely remained hidden.
Onana has made 1really bad one that cost a goal. Other than that he may have done better on a couple. A few high balls missed but at least he wasn't pinned to his line. But, I'm not going to be overly critical of a player who's still only settling in.
Maybe quit with the over reaction, he's a good player and if he fails, he fails, but at least give him some time. How about giving him some? I'd say about 5 years of playing like shit mixed with a few above average performances, like you lot gave dear old Dave. That would be fair.
I like Onana and am not bothered by the howlers and have no doubt he’ll be with us for 4-5 seasons, but all those posters who robotically claimed that he would transform our attack need to have a word with themselves. I don’t expect anyone to hold their hand up here, but hopefully at least they’ll recognize in their own cone of silence that expectations were set way too high for Onana and that it’s completely daft to believe that any new keeper will have a material impact on our goal scoring production. What you do expect from a new keeper is a better defensive record and on that account the numbers represent a team failure, not just a keeper failure.
Again, trotting out this line.
Nobody claimed he would transform the attack or that a goalkeeper would increase the finishing of chances.
People, myself included said that a goalkeeper of his quality, would help with the build up phase and the recycling of possession, enabling the team to build sustained periods of pressure and defend higher. Which in turn should lead to more goal scoring opportunities created. Utd actually have the most high turnovers in the league, but the fewest of these turned into goals. It's precisely the reason why you bring in a player of his skillset.
It's the idiots who are writing a player off after 5 or 6 games that really need to have a word with themselves.
I like how he's comfortable with the ball, but watching him spend 20-30 seconds on the ball every time he is on the ball is infuriating, especially when we're chasing a goal.
Kills the tempo.