True that both sides do barbaric things(It’s impossible not to under these conditions)but the situation/context is important and can’t be separated Imo.No? Both sides don't end up doing barbaric things?
In not talking about the situation
Do you understand this is the exact same logic most likely used by Hamas to justify their actions yesterday? That Israel's past actions have provoked this attack?Tweet
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The absolute bottom of the barrel of barbarism. They themselves provoked the ruins Gaza will be turned into and the most likely new occupation, but Hamas knew this of course and they don't care. This fact alone is enough to see through their hypocracy about their fight for a free Palestina. They just want to fight, like every good barbarian in the stone age.
They won't care. Just like post pearl harbour and 9/11. They'll murder thousands, because everybody hates them anyway so they have carte blanche. They'll be demonised and hated even more, and it will change nothing. As I've already said, you're the eternal enemy already. But their murder and brutality will save Israeli lives.For the time being these type of clips will raise some sympathy, sure enough.
Once Gaza is flattened and the images from there start to emerge, Israel will have very little ground to stand on,
so far as spokesmanship goes.
Nobody will give a shit about some burned-down cars once the carnage/massacre begins.
I'm writing this as an Israeli Jew, by the way.
this entire land, or maybe Earth in general, should be wiped clean and start over.
This level of barbarism from yesterday I’ve only seen from IS and the likes.True that both sides do barbaric things(It’s impossible not to under these conditions)but the situation/context is important and can’t be separated Imo.
And it's true. Hamas have a point, and fair justification. The Israeli regime is brutal on Gaza and Palestinians in general. They have no choice to either fight back like this, sit and take it, or run away. Doesn't mean it's not horrific to see.Do you understand this is the exact same logic most likely used by Hamas to justify their actions yesterday? That Israel's past actions have provoked this attack?
Fair comment, I think I'm just quite sad and hopeless on the subject.True that both sides do barbaric things(It’s impossible not to under these conditions)but the situation/context is important and can’t be separated Imo.
Given your name is ZAR related (I think) - you know this just isn't true. This level of barbarism is primitive and generally belongs a) in the past b) in places without rolling social media footage. But it happens all the time in parts of the world you don't hear about. This is what terroristic insurgency looks like.This level of barbarism from yesterday I’ve only seen from IS and the likes.
Yea ofcourse there are two sides. One side is the oppressor, occupier and the other side are the oppressed and occupied.I'd love to be more erudite and sophisticated but it really is both sides.
Surely you appreciate that's it's far more complex than that?Yea ofcourse there are two sides. One side is the oppressor, occupier and the other side are the oppressed and occupied.
Yeah exactly, some people hide it, but some not, like this fine human being belowWell some fella said it here last night, they said Gaza deserves the Dresden treatment.
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Sadly you're right. You can see worse barbarism if you look for it.Given your name is ZAR related (I think) - you know this just isn't true. This level of barbarism is primitive and generally belongs a) in the past b) in places without rolling social media footage. But it happens all the time in parts of the world you don't hear about. This is what terroristic insurgency looks like.
That's the funny thing, when it comes to Israel everyone wants to make it seem like it's complex. Don't see anyone willing to discuss the complexities of the Russia occupation of Ukraine, but with Israel there is always something.Surely you appreciate that's it's far more complex than that?
My username is just a PSV song. Obviously I meant in modern times and ‘and the likes’ meaning other terroristic groups. Not seen anything on this level from Israelian side at least.Given your name is ZAR related (I think) - you know this just isn't true. This level of barbarism is primitive and generally belongs a) in the past b) in places without rolling social media footage. But it happens all the time in parts of the world you don't hear about. This is what terroristic insurgency looks like.
At 256 Palestinians died yesterday.This level of barbarism from yesterday I’ve only seen from IS and the likes.
Oh yeah I feel the same. It’s just incredibly sad and shit.Fair comment, I think I'm just quite sad and hopeless on the subject.
I thought the thread had some interesting points. Don't understand your video.Oh yea, those baby brained takes. Made up videos like this from photoshop.
Yeah, it's grim.At 256 Palestinians died yesterday.
Oh yeah I feel the same. It’s just incredibly sad and shit.
They are not celebrating while dancing in their dad bodies though. Doesn’t mean even one innocent Palastanian death is justified. Of course it’s not. Was talking about the barbarism aspect.At 256 Palestinians died yesterday.
Oh yeah I feel the same. It’s just incredibly sad and shit.
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The absolute bottom of the barrel of barbarism. They themselves provoked the ruins Gaza will be turned into and the most likely new occupation, but Hamas knew this of course and they don't care. This fact alone is enough to see through their hypocracy about their fight for a free Palestina. They just want to fight, like every good barbarian in the stone age.
Yea Israel aren't a group of terrorists. They are a modern nation with a modern military and modern military ethics. Despite what many here may claim.My username is just a PSV song. Obviously I meant in modern times and ‘and the likes’ meaning other terroristic groups. Not seen anything on this level from Israelian side at least.
It is not complex at all. It is very easy. Occupation, apartheid, eviction, mass murder, you name it.Surely you appreciate that's it's far more complex than that?
I can only see the first post as I'm not logged into post Elon twitter. We can't see the entire thread without logging in so could only comment on the headline post you pasted into the cafe.I thought the thread had some interesting points. Don't understand your video.
This was yesterdays exchange, or something new?There’s been an exchange of fire with Hizballah on the northern border, no reports of any casualties, but an ominous development.
Israel already guards their border with maximum attention, so I don't think Hizbollah will start anything. Those terror groups can only sneak in when Israelian forces are asleep, that's no longer the case.There’s been an exchange of fire with Hizballah on the northern border, no reports of any casualties, but an ominous development.
Reported an hour ago on Times of Israel:This was yesterdays exchange, or something new?
Never heard of this before. Can’t find anything on the subject too. Thank you for pointing this out as I won’t use it for future usernames (don’t think I can change it on here)Yea Israel aren't a group of terrorists. They are a modern nation with a modern military and modern military ethics. Despite what many here may claim.
If you go to parts of Africa and Asia you'll still see dead babies nailed to crosses, people beheaded, and men forced to watch their daughters raped and burned alive before being shot themselves, and entire villages burned with the people inside. When 'the state' breaks down, this happens. (The void of the state allowed the ISIS rise for example). That's why people are describing this as a 9/11 or Pearl Harbor moment; because it's something the west just doesn't see, and a nation cannot ever let go unpunished.
Do PSV have links to South Africa. The ZAR (A South African republic in the late 19th century) and early dutch republic used the motto - "Eendragt magt maakt"
It is complex or you fail to understand itIt is not complex at all. It is very easy. Occupation, apartheid, eviction, mass murder, you name it.
Yea the tent was yesterday I believe. They fired mortars at a radar station and got smacked. Not sure if it was actual Hezbollah or Hamas/Palestinians operating from the tents. The timing in your videos though indicates it was either very early this morning, or early evening last night. Looks more like dusk to me but I'm no weather expert. There was a bit of M270 fire into Lebanon proper last night as far as I know too.Reported an hour ago on Times of Israel:
Hezbollah fires mortars at Israel; IDF strike hits tent on Lebanon border in response
Didn't mean to discourage you. It's a name with cool history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_makes_strengthNever heard of this before. Can’t find anything on the subject too. Thank you for pointing this out as I won’t use it for future usernames (don’t think I can change it on here)
For the other part. I did say that I’ve seen. Anyway it’s a moot point. Didn’t want to downplay or disregard any other brutality in other parts of the world in any way.
It is complex if you want to find excuses for Israel's oppression. So sure go ahead.It is complex or you fail to understand it
The article states Hizballah struck on “Sunday morning” and that the IDF strike on the tent was in response.Yea the tent was yesterday I believe. They fired mortars at a radar station and got smacked. Not sure if it was actual Hezbollah or Hamas/Palestinians operating from the tents. The timing in your videos though indicates it was either very early this morning, or early evening last night. Looks more like dusk to me but I'm no weather expert
Found a video. It was last night and it was Hezbollah. Quite professional PR footage too, levels above the Hamas stuff.The article states Hizballah struck on “Sunday morning” and that the IDF strike on the tent was in response.
Modern military ethics? WTFYea Israel aren't a group of terrorists. They are a modern nation with a modern military and modern military ethics. Despite what many here may claim.
If you go to parts of Africa and Asia you'll still see dead babies nailed to crosses, people beheaded, and men forced to watch their daughters raped and burned alive before being shot themselves, and entire villages burned with the people inside. When 'the state' breaks down, this happens. (The void of the state allowed the ISIS rise for example). That's why people are describing this as a 9/11 or Pearl Harbor moment; because it's something the west just doesn't see, and a nation cannot ever let go unpunished.
Do PSV have links to South Africa. The ZAR (A South African republic in the late 19th century) and early dutch republic used the motto - "Eendragt magt maakt"
Hahahahahahahaha. No.Yea Israel aren't a group of terrorists. They are a modern nation with a modern military and modern military ethics. Despite what many here may claim.
No, the process for peace is complex because it would be based on mutual trust and, while Israel have the higher ethical burden to be restrained and make moves towards peace, they also have a right to ensure their own safety so it's a cyclical self sabotaging thingIt is complex if you want to find excuses for Israel's oppression. So sure go ahead.