This may well be true. Therefore, if we put that aside, what legal, moral or ethical basis can we have for the creation of the Zionist state on land occupied by Palestinians?
There is no non biblical claim to the land from Zionists.
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There is no non biblical claim to the land from Zionists.
I, for one, am shocked that the terrorist state of israel is making up lies for propaganda. Even more shocked that gfactor lapped it all up.
Well done Ireland, Spain and Norway.
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This is Palestinians every day life under the occupation of your army, for the past 70 years.
Well there is archeological evidence which proves the connection of Jews to the land. There was never a period without Jews there. Arabs came later. But I agree that over the course of history people went and go. At the end of 19th century, when first jewish refugees came to the land, mainly from tsarist Russia, it was forgotten periphery of Ottoman Empire where Arabs where majority population. But it was still very sparsely populated. The population began to rise when Jews started to cultivate the land, which attracted workers, merchants etc. from all of the other parts of the Empire. And all those people have viable claim to the land.
The anti-Jewish crowd just push this narrative to the extreme that Jews have no connection to the land. They are just white settlers and all this crap. Jews do have the connection to the land. So do Arabs.
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It's literally what people here were saying 7 months ago. There's also the possibility that this report is exaggerated and their estimate of Hamas fighters killed is a bit off.
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Those german politicians are a disgrace to humanity. Directly responsible for two genocides, complicit in a 3rd in a span of 120 years.
He's just been waiting for an excuse.
I do not know the language so I can't contradict that.
But I will say that Israel had this film for a long time and didn't publish it. It was the families of those abducted soldiers who desperately decided to do so today, and I don't believe they'll be willingfully involved in deceipt.
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"WhatsApp personnel have speculated Israel might be exploiting this vulnerability as part of its program to monitor Palestinians at a time when digital surveillance is helping decide who to kill across the Gaza Strip, four employees told The Intercept".
Maybe was Trump, but I think the hypocrisy and double standards on the ICJ, ICC, UNRWA and all this blind support to a genocide could tilt it even more. US is dragging his boasted morals, values and international influence through the mud now much more than with Trump
And the fact that is Biden who is doing it and not Trump is even worse, because if trump would be at the helm of this feck up (and I have 0 doubts that he would if he would be POTUS) shows that is american stablishment that has lost it and not Trump crazyness while thinking that with the Democrats that would never happened.
Reality is that US influence is crumbling because the "normal" politicians are responsible of this, not Trump outlier
So getting back to the bolded part, there are countless examples that you are simply wrong. Here you have just one:
Care to explain the map?
Care to explain what are those means?
He said "generally."
Why not just ask them?So getting back to the bolded part, there are countless examples that you are simply wrong. Here you have just one:
Care to explain the map?
Care to explain what are those means?
https://x.com/WOLPalestine?t=AVIywci6WA-zQd4fQo3LKA&s=09
The map shows the area of land that was previously inhabited by Palestinians, under a British Mandate, under Ottoman rule and going back centuries.So getting back to the bolded part, there are countless examples that you are simply wrong. Here you have just one:
Care to explain the map?
Care to explain what are those means?
It also shows the land stolen from the Palestinians by the Zionists with the backing of Britain.
If you want to make this about Palestinians complaining about their land being stolen or wanting it back then yeah of course they are!
And they want it back. Is it likely they will get it all back? No. Should they have their own state and the right to govern themselves? Hell yes!
It's a lie. "Get pregnant" is not what he said.
Netanyahu and his cronies have most likely released it to distract the world from the ICC arrest warrants and undermine the recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain.
Just to say: See? That's who you've just recognized and who you compare us to.
You're not completely wrong because Netanyahu IS trying to get a horror video released for the purpose you mentioned, but this particuarly video release was not his doing. It was only released yesterday because the families chose to.
Interesting timing of it's release. I asked a colleague to translate for me and he also says it is inaccurate. Someone is intentionally trying to decieve.
The usual suspects, I presume. The military, the govenment, etc.
Terrible thing to do against their families.
Let's just say that this is not the worst thing done to those poor families, who have been vilified and became enemies of the far right and even more moderate right, who sees the hostages as an obstacle in the war on Hamas.
I stand corrected then.
The video is awful and heartbreaking and I had a hard time imagining the hostage families wilfully approving its release. But in hindsight you're right, as wretched as Netanyahu is, he wouldn't unilaterally release it without massive backlash.
Your historical interpretations are quite hilarious. Have you ever heard the term "land purchase"? Have you heard of dozens agencies that facilitated those purchases? Can you comprehend the idea that Arabs willingly sold the land?
I have to say, you are quite inventive. You invent your own history.
No, he said everybody condemns Hamas. Clearly not everybody does. The picture is only one example and it is not an exemption. So clearly it is not "generally". There are countless examples.
And he finished by some myopic BS about seeing attack everywhere. That picture is nothing but attack and threat to the Jewish people. And Jews know very well what "by any means necessary" mean. And you do too.
Thank god the people in gaza don't have to deal with pictures like those on a daily basis.
Wow Giggsy PO nailed it there, can't argue with it lads. Not everyone in the entire world disagrees with Hamas aim to claim back land, what a master intellect we've come up against.
Time to close the thread I think, how can we possibly discuss Israeli war crimes after being so squarely put in our place.
Time to close the thread I think, how can we possibly discuss Israeli war crimes after being so squarely put in our place.
You know what was an actual attack and threat on the Palestinian people? The attempts to defund UNRWA based on spurious claims of their involvement in the Oct 7th attacks. You know, the ones you were posting about:
What ever happened to that, dawg?
An independent review finds no evidence for Israel's claims about UNRWA and Hamas
Ah.
To be fair to Giggsy and Gfactor. As an Israeli, what else can they say? The atrocities is broadcasted live on daily basis. I dont even think the IDF or Bibi cares about optics. They just spouts bravadoes and blatant proverbial "La La La" with closing the ear gesture
That's not true and you're painting Israelis with a quite broad brush.
Amir and ScholesyTheWise are both Israelis and have a fundamentally different discourse and view of the situation (as well as a different way to engage with people).
We also have to suppose that the two you mentioned are indeed Israelis.
It is as independent as Jamie Carragher commentary during Liverpool match.
Report: UNRWA Rigged ‘Independent’ Probe To Whitewash Its Pervasive Terror Ties
Oh.
And then you post a link from an organization who is basically israeli propaganda. Amazing really.
Oh, you are still thinking about that map and the meaning of "by all means necessary", which you decided to ignore. Surprise, surprise.
Everything that is not in line with your opinion is Israeli propaganda. Not amazing.
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Oh look, another peaceful protester. She just wants to end the bloodbath.