You totally missed his point.
Club Sale | It’s done!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Make what up?
When will people get it, he is a Man utd fan and won't be going for any other club. It had been reported he turned down many opportunities.
You will probably see QIA go for spurs than anything, especially when they allow an owner to own multiple clubs in the next few years.
This is different from the Rat who currently owns 2 clubs and has bid for both Chelsea and Barcelona, yet he is a utd fan.
I did misread, my apologies!
Both those decisions will be all about being associated with the re-emergence of United as an actual top club, though.
He isn't stupid enough to think that simply being associated with "Manchester United" (even if what he's actually associated with is a failure to improve on what the former owners did) will do him any good.
And, again, in purely financial terms, what you can expect to gain from owning one of the biggest football clubs in the world may seem a lot at first glance, and may seem like a very good deal to someone like the Glazers, but will be pocket change to INEOS.
Unless the idea is that Jimbo is keen on making pocket change ('cause he is, I don't know, super greedy, random and evil - like some sort of real life Monty Burns), what some people have proposed here is just silly.
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Not sure they are match made in heaven at all given the current climateThe Shiek and Spurs are a match made in heaven actually.
All the smaller London clubs apart from Arsenal are hungry for that outside investment just like their city is these days.
Can see them doing bits but also failing utterly since it’s spurs. Would be a wild ride. In the words of Kevin Keegan I love it if Qatar took over and we beat them. With an English owner would be rather sweet
I was just listening to a podcast where they mentioned that Hamas leaders are given shelter in Qatar. They also said that the Glazers being Jewish, would never sell to an Arab state. Even when the money was on the table.The Shiek and Spurs are a match made in heaven actually.
All the smaller London clubs apart from Arsenal are hungry for that outside investment just like their city is these days.
Can see them doing bits but also failing utterly since it’s spurs. Would be a wild ride. In the words of Kevin Keegan I love it if Qatar took over and we beat them. With an English owner would be rather sweet
I think that this would be even more of an issue with Spurs fans.
The misery isn't over yet. If the Qataris buy Liverpool FC then that will be the final nail.
Our budget is not limited by FFP but by actual hard cash.
If the owners pump money into the club, our FFP budget can go up.
@Woziak has explained this point a stupid amount of times, so I cannot be bothered to explain further.
The 25% isn't a figure plucked from thin air though.
It makes you a person of significant control. Allows you to block the 75% majority rule which allows someone to basically run a business unopposed. It's only just below the mandatory threshold to launch a takeover bid and several other factors that give Ratcliffe and Ineos a strong base from which to start.
Given the make up of United shares as well, 25% could relate to an even stronger position when it comes to actual voting power, depending on how the sale is conducted and whos/what shares he ends up buying.
Gaslighting is a psychological manipulation technique where the goal is to make the victim question their own sanity and grip on reality.
Absolute gold.
A supposed century of support for United, through the good and bad and the thing that breaks you is not being taken over by some dubious State?
That high horse you are on is really something special.
There are members of the board that are in place to represent the interest of minority shareholders.
https://theathletic.com/4964267/2023/10/16/manchester-united-takeover-ratcliffe-ineos-glazers/
"The remaining three positions are filled by independent directors — Robert Leitao, Man Utd Sawhney and John Hooks — who are responsible for representing the minority shareholders."
From what has been reported, the INEOS purchase of only The Glazer stock was taken to and rejected by the board.
Im not sure if that proposal went to a vote, or if the three board members mentioned just said, nah, this aint gonna fly!
A question I am interested in is how the minority shareholders are going to ensure that their stock is purchased at some point. I say that because if INEOS stop at 25% (and its assumed that 25% will be split between Glazer and non Glazer stock) then surely that means the value of the remaining class A stock will plummet.
I dont see how that is any different to the initial INEOS bid that was rejected, because minority shareholders will still end up holding a lot of near useless stock.
@Woziak Very interested in your thoughts on how this could be navigated.
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Not sure this was my point, so no need you to explain further.
I assume this is ironic?The Shiek and Spurs are a match made in heaven actually.
All the smaller London clubs apart from Arsenal are hungry for that outside investment just like their city is these days.
Can see them doing bits but also failing utterly since it’s spurs. Would be a wild ride. In the words of Kevin Keegan I love it if Qatar took over and we beat them. With an English owner would be rather sweet
Given what fans of some clubs have gone through, to the extent they don't even have a club to support anymore, I think these "it's over for me" posts are just a bit much.
It's truly pathetic.
Won't support United because we won't win all the time. Accepts Arsenal as his son's team but omits the fact they won less than United last season.
Some of the sour grapes from the 'feelin' Qatari' crowd have been predictably embarrassing. Losing their shit with spurious phrases like 'high horse', but fair play, most have been dignified and open-minded going forward.
Outdated shithole? Do you go to games?
Let me get this right. You and your family have supported United for a century. You have supported United through 20 years of Glazer ownership. Finally, they are about to relinquish some control of the club and you want to chuck it in now?
You, my friend, are sounding like a snowflake. Pull yourself together.
And give your son a slap round the face for even considering breaking a family traditional and turning to The Arse.
Pathetic post.
Glazers selling a stake while remaining at the club, in any capacity, is a terrible outcome. Nothing more than extra vultures arriving at the feast, with less accountability for all. If there was ever a time for disruptive protest, now is it.
I never said the Glazers themselves would put their own money in. But someone bidding on something can put certain stipulations that the seller would have to accept if they want to sell (or negotiate differently).
Bull fecking shit. Maybe the dumbest post in the whole fecking thread. What do you post that as a Man United fan? Jesus wept.
@Rightnr doesn't need manipulating to realize that he has already lost grip on reality
It is losing grip on Sheikh Jassim that has caused it, no one else!
People seem to forget that we had to resort to loaning Weghorst and Amrabat in the space of 12 months. With 25% from Ineos we are not getting closer to City, they will hit 14 PL titles before we manage one.Just typed the same
We all know its bollocks as well, they'll be watching like the rest of us and they know it.
They just need to be sure not to post on here for a while though.
Are you sure about that, have you looked at an actual dictionary or did you miss that it was a parody?
Agreed, it will be interesting to see how they sort that out.
Are we now the moral winners of world football after this and Greenwood saga?
Real Madrid and Manchester City are surely jealous of our moral trophies.
Real Madrid and Manchester City are surely jealous of our moral trophies.
You implied the FFP budget is our ceiling for spending. It's not, given the right owner.
So, yes, it's relevant if you understand that spending and sporting decisions are all linked together and arguing Ratcliffe having sporting control is somehow independent is naive to say the least.
Thanks for sharing, the bits that have been fed to the press ie restructuring the footballing side is what we need to happen first, a step in the right direction.
Then transparency with fans and open dialogue with them will also help moving forward.
They've already sold a huge stake though and where were the protests then? They own 67%, gave 2% to Woody and the 31% to various investors.
This time they're selling not just a stake, but a significant portion of control with it as well. It's a very different situation and signals the beginning of the end of their reign.
Just over a year ago, the very idea of a Glazer free United was little more than blind hope. As fans we misunderstood the early stages of the sale process and came to believe a full sale was an option but the reality is that it never was at this stage, and that became very clear early in the process.
The options were continued Glazer ownership with full control, or reduced Glazer ownership with reduced control. The big question now is how big the reduction is, what the next steps are and ultimately, what the end game is.
The Glazers got involved when Sir Alex retired. If the first thing we get with Ratcliffe is that they return to their Sir Alex era type ownership, then it can only be a positive. Our biggest issues haven't been the Glazers owning us, they've owned us during arguably our most successful period ever. It was the Glazers running us.
Honest question that I have heard anyone ask:
If Ratcliffe initially wanted 51% but got struck down as the class A shares wanted a piece, why would he go down to 25%? Can he not get 51% and redistribute it across class B and A? He is paying less than the original bid?
If Ratcliffe initially wanted 51% but got struck down as the class A shares wanted a piece, why would he go down to 25%? Can he not get 51% and redistribute it across class B and A? He is paying less than the original bid?
I said Ratcliffe will have control over the transfers, football decisions, etc, and that he won't need Joel and Avram to sign them off.
I know the Glazers won't be putting any money in, so if Ratcliffe wants to then it just enforces this point.
So you are saying SAF and Gill were not acting as per Glazer's orders, but Woodward and Moyes did?
Time for Ratcliffe to pull his bid and renegotiate. His main competition has left the bidding.
Cmon Ratty, time to screw the glazers.
Cmon Ratty, time to screw the glazers.
If Ratcliffe puts the right people in the right places, like FSG did at Liverpool then we are more than capable of challenging for the big prizes.
Success isn't built on money alone. If it was then we'd have been more successful the past ten years. It's built on having the structure in place to get the most out of the money.
People will point to Nice as proof of Ratcliffes failings in terms of putting the right structure in place, but what if we looked at it as an opportunity to make mistakes and then learn from them? We're already seeing signs of this with Nice, though very early to really judge but also with some of the snippets we are now hearing with regards to United.
Do you work in Sales?
Nice will presumably be able to function as a feeder club for us to some extent. Great place to buy talent more speculatively, give them game time and if they explode move them on to United at reasonable fees. Also a great place to send up and coming players on loan.
You’d have to imagine that this is a glorious opportunity to sync the transfer approach of both clubs to both their benefit. Using Nice to hoover up as much quality young French talent as we can, and develop them and then not have to worry about paying 100m every time United sniff around. Also a great league to send developing players to. If we have synced sporting structures, players like Amad and Hannibal could’ve had tons of game time there.
You’d have to imagine that this is a glorious opportunity to sync the transfer approach of both clubs to both their benefit. Using Nice to hoover up as much quality young French talent as we can, and develop them and then not have to worry about paying 100m every time United sniff around. Also a great league to send developing players to. If we have synced sporting structures, players like Amad and Hannibal could’ve had tons of game time there.
Basically yeh.
This Nice Manutd dual ownership was in news sometime back but i see no conversation on it now. Any indication on how it will be handled?
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