In the Fergie Era we get Bellingham and Kane and win the next 3 titles.
Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Doesn't mean much yet. A Ballon D'or in a year's time will never be about early season form. It will depend on trophies, mainly Euros, CL and maybe league.
Things change quickly in football. Someone else might be the new hot thing in a couple of months time.
Henry was on the decline at that point. He was still a very good player, but his peak was nearly 5 years earlier, after injury he’d clearly lost a step, and he wasn’t in the conversation for the ballon d’Or at any point after that. That’s just not comparable to Mbappe now.
In the Fergie Era we get Bellingham and Haaland and dominate for the next 8 years.
The Balon Dor mostly decided by trophies especially those of the European / International kind. So a good start doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things.
Do we still have any doubters?
Does anybody think the hundred million was overpriced?
Can I have a thumbs up for any United fans that would love this guy in their team right now?
Does anybody think the hundred million was overpriced?
Can I have a thumbs up for any United fans that would love this guy in their team right now?
In the Fergie era we knew who to buy sooner than the rest, now we are the rest.
What's interesting is that he plays like a rather old-fashioned centre-midfielder. He drives his team, he reminds me of Viera in some, some ways, also Yaya Toure, although were both more defensive minded, and dominated matches, rather than moments. You rarely find players like this now, as players now want to 'play between the lines' or sit deeper and orchestrate, Rodri, Rabiot.
Bellingham is probably England's most important player, alongside Kane. It's also notable that he is the youngest player in the squad, and it shows. Why? Because Jude Bellingham plays like someone who does not play for Gareth Southgate. Bellingham takes his shirt and he defines games. He changes the way the other midfielders and forwards play. When Bellingham isn't driving things on, England look like they did a few years ago under Southgate, nervous, awaiting something to happen, or to capitalise on an error. Bellingham moves the dial. He needs to just play his game and ignore any Southgate advice etc.
Bellingham is probably England's most important player, alongside Kane. It's also notable that he is the youngest player in the squad, and it shows. Why? Because Jude Bellingham plays like someone who does not play for Gareth Southgate. Bellingham takes his shirt and he defines games. He changes the way the other midfielders and forwards play. When Bellingham isn't driving things on, England look like they did a few years ago under Southgate, nervous, awaiting something to happen, or to capitalise on an error. Bellingham moves the dial. He needs to just play his game and ignore any Southgate advice etc.
It's interesting that two of the best of the new generation are physically unreal and their excellence relies on it (Haaland + Bellingham).
Thats like asking if the pope is catholic. No fan of any team in world football would say no to that, including city.
Hes clearly very special and is having huge impact at the highest level at 20, the sky really is the limit for him.
Can not believe he is just 20
Yup. The much-derided (by some at least) “pace and power”, but coupled with the intelligence to know how to make best use of it, is more valuable than silky ball skills these days.
Only in players younger years. Bellingham won't have the longevity of Modric, Kroos or Scholes unless he works on the more majestic parts of the game as a midfielder. Why do you think Gerrard was finished at 33.
He has silk too. It doesn't always look as pretty as it does from some players, possibly due to his body shape. Thomas Muller syndrome.
Agree that his physicality combined with his intelligence are his key assets though.
Bryan Robson type player, but with more skill.
A fair amount of this depends on whether you get foul calls or not. Ive seen a good number of players in this younger group that you basically have to foul to get the ball off of them …. But players are allowed to foul most of them (run though them, step on heels etc) so what’s the point?
I see very few “protected” players now.
So what we get to watch is the result of that. Like everything else: you get what you incentivize.
You're a strange poster.
You come across very much as a 'sore winner'. What does your post bring to the thread, as it doesn't provoke discussion or debate, so why bother?
Well that’s yet to be seen, though it’s a fair point.
Gerrard was always allowed a very free role in that not great Liverpool side, and couldn’t adapt when he tried a deeper role that required more discipline. Bellingham looks like he’s got more guile than Gerrard.
Yeah that’s a fair point as well. One thing that Bellingham is good at though is making sure he’s in a dangerous position when he gets fouled.
No idea why some posters refer to him as cocky. Everytime I've seen him give interviews, he's always come across as very humble.
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In the Fergie Era before Abramovich's Chelsea take over then absolutely yes. That was the time no club in EPL can compete with Utd financially.
The way he was off-balance but somehow managed to keep momentum for the second goal reminded me of Zidane.
Are you here to annoy united fans?
He can be cocky on the pitch. Not everyone would dare to celebrate goals like that while playing away on certain stadiums.
Over all and specially outside of the pitch he seems like a proper lad.
I'm guessing it's his celebration.
Regardless of his future accomplishments your club will always look small time for retiring the squad number of a teenager who showed good potential for 18 months in the championship, so pipe down.
He's got that dog in him
I agree. I still find it a bit strange how Haaland and Jude were allowed to join Dortmund over United.
A really sad reflection of our clubs facilities if we can’t be trusted to bring young players to the top of the game. In the past that was our bragging right.
They’d maybe move to Real but that’s fine if you’re getting a stacked transfer fee to invest in your future squad.
We were onto a great model in the 00’s. Sell Ronaldo for 80m fine but then the Glazer’s took all the money so stopped the success dead in its tracks. Hazard / Robben should have been signed with that cash plus and a few others but we got Owen on a free
It wasn’t even that much to ask as the model worked! At least it worked when not a billion in debt with owners taking dividends. Then it became “let’s service the debt” stick Cleverly in midfield.
How we won titles after 2010 was Fergie’s greatest achievement.
One chairman done that who was soon sacked. All 92 clubs are as important as each other so why don’t you pipe down.
Best midfielder in the world. Doesn’t even come close.
Stop trying to wind people up, it’s unpleasant.
Can you please explain to me where I was wining people up?
I didn’t notice you comment on the posters derogatory comment towards Birmingham.
He’s very good but it’s early days in his career. With the hype you’d think he’s won the lot or something.
Mbappe is better than both and his does too. But you make it sound as if this lot are technically average (Haaland actually is). That’s just how the sport is headed - physicality is more and more important in the collective and in the individuals. But nothing will beat pure technical genius ala Messi.
Why ruin such a talent for life?
Messi without any physical ability would have been a Europa League level player, he was very quick and particularly agile from 17 until his late 20s, with the most important of all a quick first step, strong for his height and fit - you can’t play 1,000 games and 60-70 a year without being subbed and perform game after game without that.
I think long and hard and I finally get it. He is a baller who balls.