I think we need to be careful in doubting @zaafi credibility. The man has 38 people in a WhatsApp group.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 48
- Goals
- 15
- Assists
- 13
- Yellow cards
- 12
Yeah, okay. Let's just stop now.
Hey, look, it's the cnut-is-the-worst-word-you-can-use-in-England guy!
Only in here will you find people that want to bench an attacking mid with creative output second to KdB only in the world, and gladly praise a keeper that fails to make saves but makes some nice tidy passes sometimes.
I'm convinced he's more of a Second Striker instead of no. 8 or no. 10.
That jibe doesn't really flow well.. Try again
And all 38 of them are United fans. I'd struggle to find 20 mates willing to join a group WhatsApp with me. And only a handful of them are United fans. I'm lowkey jealous, if he's telling the truth (why wouldn't he be?!)
I believe Bruno actually surpassed KDB last season in chances created. On the keeper front, I don't think I'll ever again see the insanity of what I witnessed this summer in how quickly club supporters turned against their keeper who just won the golden glove award and fell in love with another hipster keeper like a teenage girl falling in love with Donny Osmond singing Puppy Love.
And they called it puppy love
Oh, I guess they'll never know
How a young heart really feels
And why I love her so
It is a group for United fans, so of course they are United fans...?
He’s still our best player but we need to play him in his absolute best position (attacking player, not a winger, through the middle) and I’m not sure we can do that because our team is so unbalanced with too many players not at the races. Mason mount also plays best in the same position as Bruno.. and I can’t see ETH benching one or the other, so we’re going to have players shoe horned in. It’s been the same problem for a few years now.
People are still debating about Bruno after playing Slovakia. The Iceland and Luxembourg of this world.
We never learn it seems.
Wait we meet City in 2 weeks time and see the stinker Bruno will deliver. Leopards rarely change their spots.
We will be here, God willing, to see his world class performance on that day.
We never learn it seems.
Wait we meet City in 2 weeks time and see the stinker Bruno will deliver. Leopards rarely change their spots.
We will be here, God willing, to see his world class performance on that day.
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Bruno against CityPeople are still debating about Bruno after playing Slovakia. The Iceland and Luxembourg of this world.
We never learn it seems.
Wait we meet City in 2 weeks time and see the stinker Bruno will deliver. Leopards rarely change their spots.
We will be here, God willing, to see his world class performance on that day.
Chip ball for Martial to score
Scoring "almost offside goal" last season
He has been out best signing post Fergie...
I do not know what these folks expect
Care to back that up?This is ridiculously ironic coming from you after your thousands of posts about Pogba being shit, despite him having almost similar output if you exclude penalties.
Really mate?
I say it all the time…the further away we get from an actual performance, the better Bruno’s performances get.
Please say sike.People are still debating about Bruno after playing Slovakia. The Iceland and Luxembourg of this world.
We never learn it seems.
Wait we meet City in 2 weeks time and see the stinker Bruno will deliver. Leopards rarely change their spots.
We will be here, God willing, to see his world class performance on that day.
I've said for two years that 352 would suit Man Utd current personnel.
We are three months from Bruno being here for four years. When you consider that Pogba was injury ravaged his last two years then minutes played isn’t too surprising. Pogba was picked to start by three managers 95% from memory, it’s around that, of the games he was available for.
I don’t know what’s funnier, your pretence that Ibra came to us as a young player and played for years, that Lukaku was a great player for us, that Cavani Rashford Greenwood never existed or that Pogba fell out with multiple managers, multiple times.
We should also play narrow like Tottenham, our fullbacks can’t cross, our LW doesn’t and our RW can’t
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Stinker after stinker for club but some assists vs Slovakia and Luxembourg is enough for the 'we told you so' crowd
That’s a very simple take on the situation. But ok
Just here to point out, that statement A) "Been our best signing post Fergie" and statement B) "Despite the numbers he creates the team might suffer too much in exchange" can both be true in the real world...
It is discouraging to a degree, that seemingly the actual point of most of the criticism still hasn't really sunk in with a few. The United team is not performing well and it isn't delivering well. For quite a while. Bruno has been part of the team for a while and while he racked up his individual numbers, the total numbers of the team aren't anything to rave about. That isn't solely due to him, of course not, but the actual extent of his share is the thing, that is debatable. Listening to some people, it feels like their image of a football team is 11 individuals playing individual matches on their own and the better each player is, the better the overall outcome will be. But those players influence each other (not even speaking about opponents) and using nothing but a good-bad measure might be a bit too shallow.
Who would have thought, more and more science, numbers, data. But the discussions are mostly the same, just with more science, numbers and data
Yeah. People forget that national football is many years behind the club football. Then you consider league 1 like quality teams against your team full of world beaters and established top league players. Environment easy to thrive in, add in the less pressure to perform.People are still debating about Bruno after playing Slovakia. The Iceland and Luxembourg of this world.
We never learn it seems.
Wait we meet City in 2 weeks time and see the stinker Bruno will deliver. Leopards rarely change their spots.
We will be here, God willing, to see his world class performance on that day.
Really doesn't matter how he performs if he's dogshite against Wolves or Brentford, let alone Manchester city.
He doesn’t shit his pants. But he doesn’t have the close quarter technical quality to shine in those games nor the physicality to mark up for it. He ends up being functional and often on the periphery.
Those are some choiced stats. Carries (easier to do when further behind on the pitch or on the wings) and dribbles, something that Bruno doesn't do.
League stats: npXG+xAG: Bruno 99.8 ; Pogba 40
That's a difference of 60 goal in Bruno's favor and Pogba with a playing time 1000+ minutes greater than Bruno or 0.57 per 90 compared to 0.37.
Defensive Bruno is also ahead. More tackles, more presses, more clearances,more interceptions, more blocks. And again, that's despite playing less.
I was referring to goals and assists. Pogba has been playing as our CM and deep lying playmaker/defensive midfielder for the majority of his time here, yet he is close to Bruno's output in the league. Pogba has just played around 1000 minutes more.
I'm not saying Pogba was the answer, and I'm glad we got rid of him. I just wanted to mention it to Pogue as I thought it was ridiculous when he has literally over a thousand posts on Pogba saying how bad he is, and how much he loses possession when Bruno does the exact same.
I haven't seen his posts about Pogba but the reason why so many fans had issues with him losing possession was because he frequently lost it in his own half, which would often lead to the opposition scoring as a result of Pogba getting dispossessed in key areas after taking one touch too many. Whereas Bruno usually loses possession in the opposition's half (due to his position as an attacking midfielder). From the limited number of games we've seen of Bruno playing as a deep lying playmaker (see Everton and Brentford games in April), he doesn't hold onto the ball for too long and instead releases it when getting pressed near his own goal.
1 - This is gold, anecdote of the year contender. Sounds like a hell of an echo chamber mate.
2 - What? That's such an odd argument. Firstly, none of the teams you've listed have finished above us in the past 3 seasons so weird list to begin with. Secondly, what you've said isn't remotely true and is an oddly specific statement to make anyway. Let's have a look...
AV
Diaby - 5
McGinn - 3
Watkins - 3
NC
Trippier - 6
Gordon - 5
Barnes - 2
TH
Maddison - 6
Son - 4
Kulusevski - 3
BH
Estupinan - 4
Mitoma - 3
Adingra - 2
WH
JWP - 4
Paqueta - 3
Bowen - 2
BF
Jensen - 3
Ajer - 2
Collins - 2
MU
Fernandes - 5
Rashford - 3
Antony - 2
- There are 2 players with more big chances created than Fernandes this season (+1); one of whom is Trippier who not only created the second most chances in the league last season but also created twice as much as the next player in their team.
- "What does Bruno offer when he's not creating?" Well it's an odd question anyway, because as per the above, he is creating chances. But what makes Bruno so valuable to us and Portugal is that he is a creative machine who still offers a lot when not creating chances. He's consistently covering 10KM+, playing every game, filling into multiple positions and his defensive contributions per game are one of the highest of our front 6. FYI, just checked, Bruno made more interceptions than any other player in his position last season. (PL)
- Final point on this, look at the distribution of all the teams you mentioned and tell me that the issue is that Bruno is creating most of our chances. To me it says that our problem (compared to Spurs and Newcastle) is that our other players aren't stepping up and creating enough chances.
3 - Absolute waffle, not sure why you felt obliged to say that every manager (Ole) since Bruno joined, has failed, like he's been the architect for failure rather than the paper over the cracks. @Pickle85 is right, it's a you (and a handful of others) thing.
100% agree and it's baffling.
Incredibly tedious post.
Why do you have a problem with the fact that I'm in a WhatsApp group with United fans from my city?
Why is it relevant where the teams I listed ended up on the league? That's not the point I was making at all. I said they create more big chances than us and they have this season.
I have no idea why you list like 3 players of each team as a counter argument to my point. What are you even saying? All of the teams I listed have created more big chances than us this season, so why are you even arguing they haven't?
I don't know why I bother with posters like you. You're genuinely denying simple obvious facts.
Every manager after Ferguson has failed. Are you seriously saying they didn't?
If you think the posters in here that don't appreciate him as much as you are a handful, you're absolutely deluded. Disturbing the opinions you have.
Even the most pro-Bruno posters on here want him benched for a period after his recent performances this season, but somehow he is a deity in your eyes and can do no wrong.
Everything I wrote is in response to the 3 statements you made in bold. Odd anecdote about a WhatsApp group, that we're 10 men if Bruno doesn't create chances and implying that every manager has failed because they make decisions like playing Bruno.Incredibly tedious post.
Why do you have a problem with the fact that I'm in a WhatsApp group with United fans from my city?
Why is it relevant where the teams I listed ended up on the league? That's not the point I was making at all. I said they create more big chances than us and they have this season.
I have no idea why you list like 3 players of each team as a counter argument to my point. What are you even saying? All of the teams I listed have created more big chances than us this season, so why are you even arguing they haven't?
I don't know why I bother with posters like you. You're genuinely denying simple obvious facts.
Every manager after Ferguson has failed. Are you seriously saying they didn't?
If you think the posters in here that don't appreciate him as much as you are a handful, you're absolutely deluded. Disturbing the opinions you have.
Even the most pro-Bruno posters on here want him benched for a period after his recent performances this season, but somehow he is a deity in your eyes and can do no wrong.
When did I argue that any of the above teams created more than us? You said that it was without 'a playmaker doing all the creating' - no team sets up like that in 2023, it's just that our other forwards and full backs are terrible at it.
It's funny how you spout stats until somebody checks them, realises you've either embellished them, made them up or written them in a way to suit an agenda, and then go back to being anecdotal.
Final two sentences are nonsense, go to Old Trafford or an away game and ask fans how appreciated Bruno is and whether he's a key issue in the squad. And actually, what opinions of mine are disturbing? Because I didn't offer much/any opinion in my post, it was all fact-based.
In short, you've spoken shit (again), been called out (again) and decided the best defence is to attack the poster's character (again). Get a hobby because you're doing a shit job at being a United supporter.
Please explain which stats I posted that are incorrect. Go on.
Take a look at all of the posts in this thread. Are the majority wrong?
I think everyone can agree that Bruno has been absolutely terrible so far this season. That isn’t even a discussion.
Is the majority of posts wrong? Considering you're behind the majority of posts then yes.
Another poster who is nowhere to be seen in this thread after a United performance but shows up when a week has passed to tell us silly bastards how wrong we are!
Why do you think you're more of a fan than others?
Are you the custodian of measure of who is not a shit United supporter?
Regarding Bruno,
- Bruno is not as good people portray him to be.
- Bruno is not an asset to build your team around it if you want to win big trophies. We have evidence with how we play to support this.
- We will never win 30 PL games with Bruno playing for Man United most of those games. You need game control in matches to win 30 games in PL.
- Bruno himself as a player, as a human being, has not won a league title, or a European trophy. He is turning 30 years next year.
- Bruno himself have never been involved in any title race in his life.
- Bruno himself has never played even a SINGLE game in UCL Semi Final or Quarter Finals, or even Final. Never. Bring that game he played in. We have always watched football enough to know this things.
Who is this world class player who is not involved in Title races or in UCL semifinals or finals?
Bruno is a top 4 - cum - Europa league standard player. Sadly that's where this United team level is, not because of Bruno but because is by large part Bruno is it's talisman.
- No way Man United will win big trophies when Man United Captain crumbles under pressure.
- No way Man United will compete against elite teams when Man United captain lacks game control in matches.
- No way Man United will be press resistant, physical, possession elite team when Man United captain lacks all those same attributes.
Just look at our previous captains. More so during our title winning eras.
Eric Cantona (1996-97)
Roy Keane (1997-2005)
Gary Neville - with Rio (2005-2011)
Nemanja Vidic (2011-2014)
Look at that lineup, elite footballers, with elite mentality, elite Physicality, players who didn't crumble under pressure but thrived under that intense pressure.
Imagine Bruno being our captain, during that night in Turin? Just imagine, would he drag us back into that game like Keane did? You know the answer.
As they usually say Big players show up in Big games.
EDIT: Checked the stats and not quite the majority of posts. But number one by a huge margin. Closing in on more posts than the second and third most prolific thread posters combined.
You're quite the fella. You got 130k posts on this forum ranking number one, and you're concerned where the majority of my posts are.
EDIT: Checked the stats and not quite the majority of posts. But number one by a huge margin. Closing in on more posts than the second and third most prolific thread posters combined.
What a fecking guy! Brightened my evening a bit
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