I think the fact that they did the stare down with usyk right after tells it all really. Barring a KO, he was never, ever losing. No idea why people can’t just see it for what it is. Ngannou basically did a Bruce Willis in pulp fiction and tried flipping the script.
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Ngannou is an absolute legend.
37 years old, hadn't fought in nearly 2 years. Knee is shot after doing both his MCL and ACL. He then goes and beats the heavyweight world champion in his boxing debut.
Fury is an embarrassment. He looked like a clown bouncing around in there tonight and fought scared the whole fight.
Ngannou looked more the composed experienced boxer.
37 years old, hadn't fought in nearly 2 years. Knee is shot after doing both his MCL and ACL. He then goes and beats the heavyweight world champion in his boxing debut.
Fury is an embarrassment. He looked like a clown bouncing around in there tonight and fought scared the whole fight.
Ngannou looked more the composed experienced boxer.
It wasn’t a robbery, Fury won the fight but it was close.
Ngannou was amazing though..fully composed and I’m really impressed with his stamina - I thought he’d tired after 5-6 rounds and Fury would get the stoppage.
Ngannou was amazing though..fully composed and I’m really impressed with his stamina - I thought he’d tired after 5-6 rounds and Fury would get the stoppage.
Ngannou looked like the mandatory challenger for the belt, not a complete novice.
Boxing's a joke.
But he didn't win the rounds*. They were just the shite rounds that were easy to fob off to him as he had the Boxing prestige, if the performances were flipped... he'd also get the rounds and you'd be saying the thing even if you'll deny it. Rounds like that are mostly won via name/prestige not "inches".... unless they are won by miles which are undisputable.
There's a reason why when we talking robbery decisions they usually involve a person who's already made it and is a face of the sport or being heavily pushed as a future face of the sport getting their hands raised.
* - tbf, I'm not gonna massively debate this. I don't care that much, I knew he'd win on points unless knocked out. But I certainly don't think Fury won more than 5 rounds.
I think you can argue Fury shaded 5-6 rounds and the whole scoring system is a joke anyway. But 7 rounds from the Mexican judge? Absolute fix.
Vast majority of people think ngannou was robbed. Perennial opposite opinion powerhouses and boxing purists the only ones arguing otherwise. Even seasoned boxers don’t think fury won.
Most of the big social media sites have a poll system and Francis is winning heavily on those.
Whoever truly won doesn’t matter, Fury has lost the public opinion scorecard
That was the warm up fight
Fury should be losing points In people’s mind for the fact that he’s the heavyweight champion of the world and struggled against a compete novice.
I would pay anything to see jon jones fully roided against Ngannou
I would pay anything to see jon jones fully roided against Ngannou
It might as well have been John Fury fighting that fight.
If you think that was Fury anywhere near his best then its time to watch boxing. He was bad tonight, very bad by his own standards. But tonight hasn't shown anything about Fury. You and I both know he's beaten much better fighters in much more convincing fashion.
Tonight may be him overlooking Ngannou, it could simply be that he had an off night or it could be that he's getting past it. But even his biggest critic can't seriously believe that was in any way representative of the fighter he is or was.
true, his resume is average at best though,which isn’t his fault, after he beat an over the hill klitschko there really hasn’t been anyone even close to his boxing level.
Oh my. Split decision. 
I don't think Ngannou had anything to lose short of being KOed minute one. Everyone loves the guy, inspiring story, a vocal force for fighter pay and consideration in MMA, stood his ground with Dana White, was taking a massive bag anyway from this...
But going the distance and being competitive ? Even if Fury was a shadow of himself (take your pick : the drugs and Father Time caught up or he trained poorly), that's so huge.
Worst prep ever for the Usyk fight, god damn. If Fury wins it will make this more trivial, but otherwise the legacy talk is going to trend down hard.
I don't think Ngannou had anything to lose short of being KOed minute one. Everyone loves the guy, inspiring story, a vocal force for fighter pay and consideration in MMA, stood his ground with Dana White, was taking a massive bag anyway from this...
But going the distance and being competitive ? Even if Fury was a shadow of himself (take your pick : the drugs and Father Time caught up or he trained poorly), that's so huge.
Worst prep ever for the Usyk fight, god damn. If Fury wins it will make this more trivial, but otherwise the legacy talk is going to trend down hard.
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Jon jones v ngannou bigger than anything boxing could ever offer. Please make it happen
Was tonight an example that heavyweight boxing is almost a different sport to the other divisions. It's all about having respectable power, and if you have that, it's an equaliser. Ngannou hits just as hard as Wilder but he has the stocky build and stamina to back it up with. In the clinch he was stronger than Tyson and bullied him. I'm just trying to make sense of what we saw because I'm flabbergasted.
Well as you can see on here, the Fury fans are doing their utmost to come up with all sorts of arguments to try and claim he won. Their going argument "Fury was but Francis was very impressive".
No - Fury very obviously lost, dress it up whichever way you will. He at most shaded maybe 2 or 3 rounds.
Very tempted to quote my old friend Roger Mayweather right now
Feels like they were supposed to confirm the date for Fury v Usyk in the ring last night, but Fury taking a beating threw it up in the air. They had a face-off, Usyk had lines prepared announcing the date in broken English, but Warren had to stress about Fury’s cuts to put it on hold.
So disappointing to watch that.
Fury was severely underprepared and lost by a country mile, hardly laid a glove on him.
Anyone who says any different is talking complete bollocks. A clearly rigged “decision “
Hopefully he can get himself up for the uysk fight, if he’s anything as bad as last night he’ll get dismantled.
Fury was severely underprepared and lost by a country mile, hardly laid a glove on him.
Anyone who says any different is talking complete bollocks. A clearly rigged “decision “
Hopefully he can get himself up for the uysk fight, if he’s anything as bad as last night he’ll get dismantled.
If you switched performances and Fury landed the big shots, got a knockdown and generally didn't look like he had been through a war at the end, do we think N'gannou gets the win? And if he does is it fuelled with huge controversy?
Also the commentators at the start of round 10 clearly thought Fury was behind saying he needed a knock out.
Also the commentators at the start of round 10 clearly thought Fury was behind saying he needed a knock out.
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Ngannou should go pro, why the hell not, he did very well.
The fight against Usyk was NEVER happening in December, I'm more worried about it not happening at all. Don't think Tyson took it very seriously tonight, but either way he'll continue trying to duck an opponent he knows for sure will trouble him.
I just can't believe how much I've turned on Fury and just hope I get to see him knocked out before his career ends
The fight against Usyk was NEVER happening in December, I'm more worried about it not happening at all. Don't think Tyson took it very seriously tonight, but either way he'll continue trying to duck an opponent he knows for sure will trouble him.
I just can't believe how much I've turned on Fury and just hope I get to see him knocked out before his career ends
Same! I used to be a big fan but I find him annoying more than anything now.Ngannou should go pro, why the hell not, he did very well.
The fight against Usyk was NEVER happening in December, I'm more worried about it not happening at all. Don't think Tyson took it very seriously tonight, but either way he'll continue trying to duck an opponent he knows for sure will trouble him.
I just can't believe how much I've turned on Fury and just hope I get to see him knocked out before his career ends
Said a few times before the fight this was supposed to be part and parcel of the whole promo - Francis made easy work of and a segue into a Usyk showdown.
Fury was not at all with it post fight and promotion was the last thing on his mind at a time when he was processing the shambles that had just transpired.
The commentators were being way too giddy about Ngannou all night. Like a lot of people on here. He was decent but not amazing. Seemed completely gassed for most of the middle rounds and ate that jab all night long. The result was fair. Fury was well below par but just about shaded it. Which is how every boxing expert I’ve read saw it. Yet apparently redcafe (and MMA fans) know best. Go figure.
It was a crap fight, being spun into some sort of epic, by casual fans who were way too invested in the Ngannou fairytale. As per the Gary Lineker tweet posted above.
“Fury seemed flat and all out of ideas as a quiet and almost bewildered crowd watched the final two rounds. Weariness also took its toll and Fury did not attempt to force the pace. It was almost as if he believed that the judges would favour him and so he allowed his fate to be protected by their decision-making.”
“For the dwindling band of purists and romantics who cling to the notion that boxing can still be a noble and uplifting sport this was another night tainted by contention.”
Guardian nearly summing up both the occasion and how I feel about the whole farce
“For the dwindling band of purists and romantics who cling to the notion that boxing can still be a noble and uplifting sport this was another night tainted by contention.”
Guardian nearly summing up both the occasion and how I feel about the whole farce
You're right, he does need to prepare better and look something like he has over the last few years against Usyk. But let's not forget that Usyk had his own robbery of his own against Dubois.
This sport is so fixed man, day light robbery that was not even close. What’s the point watching it.
Fury is apparently a disgrace and embarrassment
A guy that was 33-0, world champion, undefeated and got in there with a legit fighter no matter what experience he has in boxing, is a disgrace and embarrassment because he struggled and had an off night and looked like he had lost the fight? It’s silly season again I see.
Fair enough to think he lost that fight but it doesn’t make him a disgrace or any of these things or suddenly a bum that’s a shit boxer ffs, stop being silly. I’m sure he feels like a huge embarrassment being 34-0 in boxing, a world champion just having been paid millions upon millions that will change his families lives forever and fighting at the top level in front of millions of people while some people at home at 1 in the morning are typing he’s an embarrassment and disgrace on social media and online.
Say he lost the fight. Say it was a robbery. Say he would lose to Usyk. But let’s not turn this into the embarrassing match day threads ffs.
A guy that was 33-0, world champion, undefeated and got in there with a legit fighter no matter what experience he has in boxing, is a disgrace and embarrassment because he struggled and had an off night and looked like he had lost the fight? It’s silly season again I see.
Fair enough to think he lost that fight but it doesn’t make him a disgrace or any of these things or suddenly a bum that’s a shit boxer ffs, stop being silly. I’m sure he feels like a huge embarrassment being 34-0 in boxing, a world champion just having been paid millions upon millions that will change his families lives forever and fighting at the top level in front of millions of people while some people at home at 1 in the morning are typing he’s an embarrassment and disgrace on social media and online.
Say he lost the fight. Say it was a robbery. Say he would lose to Usyk. But let’s not turn this into the embarrassing match day threads ffs.
The same Guardian who had Fury winning on points for most of the fight and at the end of their minute by minute coverage.
I thought Fury seemed almost upset in the post fight interviews etc. Think he realised he messed up, maybe didn't take it seriously enough or he's realised things are catching up to him. He just kept repeating the same things as though he didn't want to talk.
I was quite shocked by some of the things Fury got wrong or just didn't do. His footwork seemed sluggish, his timing was all off and Ngannou was hardly a difficult target. There was a lot wrong and the question now will be whether time has caught up or if it was an issue with his prep. He claims to have took it seriously, though I have seen him look ring rusty before after big periods out of the ring. This was by far the worst I've seen him. Probably worse than vs Cunningham.
He fought an amateur in his first pro boxing match, got hammered, and had to rely on a robbery. It is embarrassing. So is his incessant ducking.Fury is apparently a disgrace and embarrassment
A guy that was 33-0, world champion, undefeated and got in there with a legit fighter no matter what experience he has in boxing, is a disgrace and embarrassment because he struggled and had an off night and looked like he had lost the fight? It’s silly season again I see.
Fair enough to think he lost that fight but it doesn’t make him a disgrace or any of these things or suddenly a bum that’s a shit boxer ffs, stop being silly. I’m sure he feels like a huge embarrassment being 34-0 in boxing, a world champion just having been paid millions upon millions that will change his families lives forever and fighting at the top level in front of millions of people while some people at home at 1 in the morning are typing he’s an embarrassment and disgrace on social media and online.
Say he lost the fight. Say it was a robbery. Say he would lose to Usyk. But let’s not turn this into the embarrassing match day threads ffs.
That's the thing with boxing, when you score it as the sport it is then you can arrive at the correct conclusion. But sometimes the context and overall feel of the fight can overshadow that. It used to drive those that hated Mayweather around the bend to see him not be the aggressor so often but get the decisions.
I’m not a boxing expert at all but I’ve a couple of friends who and they both had Fury winning (or a draw) at the end of the fight.
Most of my friends who don’t watch a lot of boxing were outraged at the result.
Even I could see why Fury won though. I thought he won 6 or 7 rounds handily enough. His jab was very effective and he landed a few heavy shots. It was a terrible fight to watch. Neither of them looked particularly great. Fury seemed a shadow of his usual self
What I've been saying for ages.
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Watched the highlights and yep boxing is really is a parody sport of itself. “Battle Of The Baddest “
Very funny but also very stupid.
Very funny but also very stupid.
30 seconds of footage?