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and this is why Jews need Israel as its homeland
It's like 1935 again, feckin unbelievable. Putin's propaganda works in Russia. Kasparov is completely right. The West's appeasements, deals and compromises with the axis of autocracy brings just more evil and misery to this world. Most of our today's politicans are complete spineless failures.

These folks think attacking anyone with a Jewish background will somehow help the situation in the middle east.
I really doubt that. They're just letting their hatred out after being brainwashed through Social Media and autocrat propaganda.
 

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Imagine arriving in Russia and having some lunatic Chechens screaming Allu Akhbar at you. Absolute disgrace
 

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It's like 1935 again, feckin unbelievable. Putin's propaganda works in Russia. Kasparov is completely right. The West's appeasements, deals and compromises with the axis of autocracy brings just more evil and misery to this world. Most of our today's politicans are complete spineless failures.



I really doubt that. They're just letting their hatred out after being brainwashed through Social Media and autocrat propaganda.
This much is obvious. Putin is obviously ok with this as anyone inside Russian borders who protests his own regime like this could be liquidated in a New York minute.
 

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This much is obvious. Putin is obviously ok with this as anyone inside Russian borders who protests his own regime like this could be liquidated in a New York minute.
Putin's ultimate goal is to bring the West's prosperity down, so he can face us on even terms. He perfectly knows that his Russia has no chance against a united strong West. But the more conflicts he can create, the faster he will reach his goal. His invitation of Hamas to Moscow and bringing anti-semitism back on the menu is just another puzzle piece on his board after supporting Africa coups, pushing for refugee waves to Europe and overall the war in Ukraine. And he will create more conflicts going forward, I have zero doubts about it. He is absolutely all-in aside from nukes.
 

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The power of social media. These folks think attacking anyone with a Jewish background will somehow help the situation in the middle east.
I’m contemplating here when will western governments realize that behemoth social media platforms (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) need to be either highly regulated for the spread of disinformation / or actually these should be privatized altogether given the national security risks. The trend is not looking good for western civilization when bad actors have a free reign at spreading false information with an aim to destabilize from within. This has been happening for so long with no accountability whatsoever, politicians still seem to ignore the dangers of unchecked misinformation via social platforms to the fundamentals of the democracies we’re living in. The storming of Capitol / Trump/ Brexit / etc. have been largely driven by disinformation campaigns for which nobody was held accountable. I think we’re nearing the point where if some critical decisions are not going to be made around the moderation of social media platforms we might plunge into some very dark times as a humanity.
 

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I’m contemplating here when will western governments realize that behemoth social media platforms (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) need to be either highly regulated for the spread of disinformation / or actually these should be privatized altogether given the national security risks. The trend is not looking good for western civilization when bad actors have a free reign at spreading false information with an aim to destabilize from within. This has been happening for so long with no accountability whatsoever, politicians still seem to ignore the dangers of unchecked misinformation via social platforms to the fundamentals of the democracies we’re living in. The storming of Capitol / Trump/ Brexit / etc. have been largely driven by disinformation campaigns for which nobody was held accountable. I think we’re nearing the point where if some critical decisions are not going to be made around the moderation of social media platforms we might plunge into some very dark times as a humanity.
100% this.
 

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The power of social media. These folks think attacking anyone with a Jewish background will somehow help the situation in the middle east.
I know you try to be understated in these things, but let's just say it how it is. These folks are not thinking they're adding geopolitical pressure on Israel. These folks want to lynch some jews, and they have been given every encouragement to do so by certain leaders, sections of the media and by Putin.
 

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So the 2 lads next to me brought in a Palestine flag to the game today. Waived it for a few mins at half time. They got kicked out. It says on the united website you’re allowed to bring flags in.

Another incident. A friend of mine got exec seats. He was wearing Palestine colours (a hoodie). Initially refused entry before a senior said it was fine. The person who refused threatened to quit if he was allowed entry. Fortunately he was allowed. Good luck to her with her new job.
 

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So the 2 lads next to me brought in a Palestine flag to the game today. Waived it for a few mins at half time. They got kicked out. It says on the united website you’re allowed to bring flags in.

Another incident. A friend of mine got exec seats. He was wearing Palestine colours (a hoodie). Initially refused entry before a senior said it was fine. The person who refused threatened to quit if he was allowed entry. Fortunately he was allowed. Good luck to her with her new job.
I think there were similar issues at the Liverpool game midweek. Both Palestine and Israel flags turfed out.

Personally I think anything political or divisive shouldn't be allowed in (from any side) and waving flags may be seen as inflammatory. It's a football match. I went today and I just wanted to forget the horrors of the world and see some football. (not much of an escape today though)

But I have to say, if you're just wearing Palestinian colours on a hoodie, ie not trying to advertise far and wide, then I can't see much harm in that.
 

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So the 2 lads next to me brought in a Palestine flag to the game today. Waived it for a few mins at half time. They got kicked out. It says on the united website you’re allowed to bring flags in.

Another incident. A friend of mine got exec seats. He was wearing Palestine colours (a hoodie). Initially refused entry before a senior said it was fine. The person who refused threatened to quit if he was allowed entry. Fortunately he was allowed. Good luck to her with her new job.

Palestine badges have been banned at my niece's school. Funnily enough Ukrainian ones weren't. Oh well.
 

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I think there were similar issues at the Liverpool game midweek. Both Palestine and Israel flags turfed out.

Personally I think anything political or divisive shouldn't be allowed in (from any side) and waving flags may be seen as inflammatory. It's a football match. I went today and I just wanted to forget the horrors of the world and see some football. (not much of an escape today though)

But I have to say, if you're just wearing Palestinian colours on a hoodie, ie not trying to advertise far and wide, then I can't see much harm in that.
I think either country flag with no writing is fine. It’s a country flag.

Also fair enough United imposing a ban but announce it before the game. Don’t just kick people out.
 

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Still not seen 1x placard at any global rally with a slogan like "Peace with Israel" or "two state solution".

these dogs just want the destruction of Israel and eradication of the Jews from that land. It's antisemitism.
 

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One of those groups aren't white.
Or simply one case is crystal clear even for a 2 year old (bad vs wrong side), as opposed to a much more complex dynamic you have in case of Palestine / Israel. Russians are white too, hence your logic is just wrong.
 

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Or simply one case is crystal clear even for a 2 year old (bad vs wrong side), as opposed to a much more complex dynamic you have in case of Palestine / Israel. Russians are white too, hence your logic is just wrong.
People under occupation, oppressor bombing city, killing thousands of women and children. Who am I talking about?
 

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Could be Israel, Russia, or Hamas?
Precisely my point. So why shouldn't someone be allowed to display solidarity with the Palestinians the same way they would with the Ukrainians? Their situations aren't entirely dissimilar.
 

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I think there were similar issues at the Liverpool game midweek. Both Palestine and Israel flags turfed out.
I’ve not seen anything anywhere of anyone carrying an Israeli flag being kicked out of a stadium. Happy to be proven wrong but is there a source you can provide?
 

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Precisely my point. So why shouldn't someone be allowed to display solidarity with the Palestinians the same way they would with the Ukrainians? Their situations aren't entirely dissimilar.
I think you simply need to take into account nuances of the context given the recent Hamas rampage with which rightly or wrongly Palestinians in Gaza are associated as well in the public space. I guess it naturally will invoke less sympathy in terms of displaying the flags, also to avoid conflicts during these heated times when there’s a lot of division on this within the general public.

If anything Ukraine is one of the few countries where literally all cultures are celebrated and accepted and live in harmony. Neither large Muslim or Jewish communities ever felt oppressed in Ukraine.

 
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I think you simply need to take into account nuances of the context given the recent Hamas rampage with which rightly or wrongly Palestinians in Gaza are associated as well in the public space. I guess it naturally will invoke less sympathy in terms of displaying the flags, also to avoid conflicts during these heated times when there’s a lot of division on this within the general public.
The trouble is there isn't really any division when politically (in the UK at least), there seems to be a one sided onus on this conflict, with both major parties unequivocally backing the Israelis, with even the more 'leftist' party endorsing their decision to cut off food, water and electricity into Gaza. And its hardly its a nuanced situation when a politician or even a employee at a workplace can proudly declare their support and solidarity with Israel, but to do the same with Palestinians is often risky and considered a faux pas. This isn't about distancing from a complex issue, its clearly about silencing one side in all this.
 

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Still not seen 1x placard at any global rally with a slogan like "Peace with Israel" or "two state solution".

these dogs just want the destruction of Israel and eradication of the Jews from that land. It's antisemitism.
That's a very offensive take.
 

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Neither large Muslim or Jewish communities ever felt oppressed in Ukraine.
Did you just say that Jews have never experienced oppression in Ukraine? In a thread about antisemitism?

(Edit): perhaps you mean since 1991?
 

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I'm of the opinion that antisemitism in the UK is a genuine real issue that has been allowed to simmer for a long time. I think that way because it seems to me that Jewish people in the UK are the only minority group who it is treated even by people who have "compassionate" political views to make fun of and not be seen as a bigot. When Corbyn was labour leader I felt the sudden hot focus on antisemitism being a staple of only the British left was a flat out falsehood and the reason is you only had to look at the words both written and said out loud by the British right over the years to see they are everything they accused him of. But the flipside was a lot of the loudest voices on the British left wanted to act like there actually was nothing wrong on their end and it was all made up which itself was a falsehood and minimised the views of Jewish communities who had complaints but unlike the political opposition wanted to address it in good faith but were instead treated as being part of the opposition.

Islamophobia in the UK is a huge issue and that's been entrenched by people who have held the highest posts in the land including a recent PM.
 
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