How do we get rid of these players when they are on such big contracts. Just out of interest who is the caretaker manager if they pull trigger or don't the club even know that either.Calmed down a bit after the weekend and today. I think we should stick by ETH because I don't want these dogshit players to get another clean slate. I would throw these fecks out first and then decide what to do with the manager.
Well if he’s saying he can’t play the way he did at ajax and he has to be more direct then that says they’ve told him how they want him to play and he’s not use to playing that way.Is there something in place here at United that caps what a manager can do? Is there stipulations that certain players have to play?
How important is the academy stat? Is a manager allowed to break that of for the good of the team?
I am curious.
tonight 7 of these “dogshit” players were who he has brought to the club.Calmed down a bit after the weekend and today. I think we should stick by ETH because I don't want these dogshit players to get another clean slate. I would throw these fecks out first and then decide what to do with the manager.
Yeah I was just about to say how many players does that actually leave us with,think it's Onana,AWB,Martinez,Shaw,Kobbie,Garnacho & Hojlund which is seriously damningI am ok for him to be sacked today, at the end of the day he couldn't produce results, regardless of any mitigating circumstances, there were still a lot of questionable decisions that caused these terrible performances.
However, the players are absolutely playing terribly and not working hard enough, they commit easy mistakes and always make wrong decisions all the time and can't focus or retain concentration for 30 mins let alone 90 mins, they are shell shocked from the humiliating defeats they suffer every season home and away from all the types of teams, they also suffer from the constant criticism from media or from fans online (deserved for the most part) and there is no hope for them at all, I am confident if we had Pep or Klopp they will fail miserably with this lot, no manager can do anything long term with this bunch.
We have to get rid of most of them really and start fresh really, Antony is absolutely shit for this level, Bruno is not good enough, as is Rashford, Sancho is useless and has always been useless, Cas and Varane are done and past it for this level and should be shipped, Eriksen is too lightweight, Amrabat is too pedestrian, and of course the dross like McTominay, Lindelof, Maguire, Dalot, VdB, and Martial are totally pointless players, Mount isn't what we needed and that basically leaves us with nothing but a skeleton team and bare bones.
So because I don’t believe crackpot conspiracies, that translates to “the destruction of this club is all fault of the managers”?Please explain why all the managers have failed at similar stages, lost some of the players, everyone is underperforming? Whatever is going on behind closed doors; the down spiral and failure of all the managers and the destruction of this club has not been all the fault of the managers.
Unfortunately we don’t have owners who actually care about bringing in the best in classTime to copy City and bring in the best team available at every position from top to bottom. Get rid of everyone bar the tea lady.
That's generally not a reason to keep a manager though. Plenty of managers work well one place, but not another. I think the question you have to ask right now, is whether Ten Hag is elite enough, smart enough and good enough at building a cohesive team to suffer through this sort of form for another window or two. If he is not capable of building and managing a team that consistently can challenge for titles and win the premier league, then he is quite simply not the right manager.Unlike Ole, I do think ETH will land a job at another club after us and will possibly thrive. It does look like its nearing the end on his reign.
How are we gonna throw them all out? We can't just delete all their contracts over night. The only thing he could do is drop a couple players and start some youth players from next game on. He could try Mainoo and Gore. We can't get much worse then we are now anyway, it might work. I would love to see them both as starters but he won't do that.Calmed down a bit after the weekend and today. I think we should stick by ETH because I don't want these dogshit players to get another clean slate. I would throw these fecks out first and then decide what to do with the manager.
I think I agree with this. We all saw glimpses of what Ten Hag is capable of -- I thought last season we punched well above our weight on top of the whole Ronaldo situation -- but for whatever reason things are just not working for him. Of course injuries to key players and sheer rotten luck have both played a big role but what we're seeing right now is indefensible.Generally in favour of giving managers time, but this just isnt working. Maybe hes not a bad manager, but hes not the right manager for us, and that all that matters really
Regardless of how poor the footballing structure is, a decent coach would have us puncing around our weight class, and right now we certainly are not.
Why are we blaming ETH for DDG exit? It's clear that ETH didn't want him, but the club should have addressed it, not the manager.This. How are players going to feel motivated when the manager treats a long-time servant of the club like some disposable piece of tissue? Especially for the senior players.
He/they should have addressed it publically or at least brought him back to celebrate his career. No goodbyes etc.
ETH has been fault for many things but DDG situation was not be on him and nor I believe it was even a fecking Situation either it's just giving players another excuse for this Shit show gee Club and Manager were mean to my mate how can we perform in such environment .Why are we blaming ETH for DDG exit? It's clear that ETH didn't want him, but the club should have addressed it, not the manager.
But why? Why is United so special? We're hardly the first fallen giant. We haven't even fallen as much as some big clubs of the past have. We still more or less regularly finish 2nd or 3rd. We don't need a rebuild from the ground up to at least play some decent football.Other clubs do sack “underperforming” managers, of course, but they can’t be used as a model for what Utd should do. Just generally, with most club’s, adequate performance looks different to what is required at Utd. It wasn’t enough for many of our fans that we won a trophy, reached another final and got 3rd in the league.
The best thing might be to sack the manager but you only have to look at where that policy has landed us to know that it’s a long shot. The thing we haven’t done is stick with a manager through the rough times and see a rebuild through to the end.
Think it's more of a case we can't get these players out who are on huge contractsI’m kind of sick of sacking managers at this point. As much as I think it’s not working with ETH, I would rather just keep him just to prove a point to the players.
Players sucked - Ole sacked
Players sucked - Rangnick left
Players sucked - ETH also about to be sacked?
There’s one common denominator here but no one wants to feck them off.
That’s on the club. Bench them until the club sells them. You don’t give in to sulkers. These fecking kids need to learn they cannot always get what they want by throwing their toys out.Think it's more of a case we can't get these players out who are on huge contracts
Many have said it but how is this even possible? Let's get real.
We have to get rid of most of them really and start fresh really, Antony is absolutely shit for this level, Bruno is not good enough, as is Rashford, Sancho is useless and has always been useless, Cas and Varane are done and past it for this level and should be shipped, Eriksen is too lightweight, Amrabat is too pedestrian, and of course the dross like McTominay, Lindelof, Maguire, Dalot, VdB, and Martial are totally pointless players, Mount isn't what we needed and that basically leaves us with nothing but a skeleton team and bare bones.
Chelsea did it. City did it. Even Liverpool did it. Arse did it. You just need support from the top level (and some money)Many have said it but how is this even possible? Let's get real.
This isn't some kind of Playstation game with a re-boot.
Yeah that's exactly my point it's just not a remotely realistic possibility in our situationMany have said it but how is this even possible? Let's get real.
This isn't some kind of Playstation game with a re-boot.
Its an issue of priority when any organisation is managed under a budget. Then we look at his priorities and judge whether it has made any difference. He clearly didn't fancy DDG who would not allow him to play his ETH ball.Why are we blaming ETH for DDG exit? It's clear that ETH didn't want him, but the club should have addressed it, not the manager.
Our problem is the top level are obsessed with players all about commercial valueChelsea did it. City did it. Even Liverpool did it. Arse did it. You just need support from the top level (and some money)
That's my issue. Even if we bring another manager, we most likely see an improve for a few months. But come next year, we ll see the same issues.That’s on the club. Bench them until the club sells them. You don’t give in to sulkers. These fecking kids need to learn they cannot always get what they want by throwing their toys out.
That's because ETH has created a Frankenstein's monster of a footballing vision now. Arteta stuck with his vision for 2 crappy seasons and it eventually paid off.It was quite damning for ETH that our players seem clueless even when they are trying. We were pressuring them hard in the second half but had absolutely no idea how to create chances.
Honestly not a clue who can get this lot to actually work hard for the team at all timesI have calm down a bit after last night, but not a great deal!
What good will sacking the manager do, who would we bring in? would it make any difference ? they would still have to use the same pool of players.
The summer transfers were IMHO shocking and did not add to the squad.
We are clueless in all departments.
Something needs to happen, but sacking the manager, not sure that's the right route to take.
We actually do unless We address that this cycle of mediocrity would continue to occur , but all this should happen irrespective of manager in charge if they aren't upto it Replace them but this squad needs complete gutting and there should be no Holy Cows focus on bringing well rounded highly technical young hungry players capable of adapting to most systems and raise the talent quotient of the squad so that coaches or manager doesn't have to be all and end all .But why? Why is United so special? We're hardly the first fallen giant. We haven't even fallen as much as some big clubs of the past have. We still more or less regularly finish 2nd or 3rd. We don't need a rebuild from the ground up to at least play some decent football.
Where this "policy" of sacking underpeforming managers has landed us might as well be higher than if we had stuck with any of the past managers. Really, which manager we should have stuck with? Don't you think there's a danger of creating an even bigger mess that way. That's exactly the point of asking questions right now, not because we're impatient for success.
I don't get your point. I wanted DGG gone, and the fact that he is unemployed speak for itself, but I didn't like how we waited till the last day of his contract to make it public, but that falls under other people's responsibility, not the manager.Its an issue of priority when any organisation is managed under a budget. Then we look at his priorities and judge whether it has made any difference. He clearly didn't fancy DDG who would not allow him to play his ETH ball.
First transfer priority was Mount. Then later Onana. How much have they contributed to the vision of what ETH wants at United?
