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How long can Jones sit on the title? Coming off a torn pec, pushing 40, Stipe pushing 40…..Aspinall could reign for years
 

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Also…..what the feck is Poatan’s hands made of? Actual stone?! He barely even connected and Jiri is tough as feck. It’s unbelievable
 

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Great fights and finishes. Lopes and St.denis look very dangerous. Dern fought a dumb fight but is still pretty talented. The two new champs are awesome. Jiri is my favorite fighter though, what a legend. Hope he returns soon.
 

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I thought early stoppage at first but the replay shows it’s a good stoppage. I think even Goddard doubted it at first but once you see the ending on the replay it’s the right decision.
 

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Happy with the results. Thought the main event stoppage was a beat too early. Can't believe Pereira only has 7 UFC fights and won two titles.
 

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Happy with the results. Thought the main event stoppage was a beat too early. Can't believe Pereira only has 7 UFC fights and won two titles.
Saved Jiři some brain cells and possibly given him a few extra months of good life. He said he was out, which lends itself to it being a very good stoppage, I think.

Alex still calling out Adesanya! :lol: It’s Sub Zero vs Scorpion by now!
 

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Saved Jiři some brain cells and possibly given him a few extra months of good life. He said he was out, which lends itself to it being a very good stoppage, I think.

Alex still calling out Adesanya! :lol: It’s Sub Zero vs Scorpion by now!
Hahaha yeah that's true.

I didn't see the post fight interview, just saw the stoppage and then Jiri getting up instantly. But fair enough.
 

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Saved Jiři some brain cells and possibly given him a few extra months of good life. He said he was out, which lends itself to it being a very good stoppage, I think.

Alex still calling out Adesanya! :lol: It’s Sub Zero vs Scorpion by now!
It's boring now, but LHW is depleted, Alex prefers facing strikers and Izzy needs a bounceback. Could see Dana forcing this down our throats.
 

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It's boring now, but LHW is depleted, Alex prefers facing strikers and Izzy needs a bounceback. Could see Dana forcing this down our throats.
Honestly, I think the time to worry about him with wrestlers and grapplers has come and gone. Granted, he hasn't faced a specialist who combines with good striking, but his strikes, and the mark they leave, both physically and mentally, is transcendent. Fighters are terrified once they feel his power, and from there, really don't approach like they normally would.

I don't think he's calling out Adesanya via fear or evasion, rather than a mutual respect for an opponent who has really given him competition win or lose. I think Pereira is the type to run it back with anyone who has really given him problems - he's not the type I envisage ducking anyone, and even against elite wrestlers, a few strikes from him, and they are in jeopardy of going to sleep or having their legs taken away and being TKO'd. I'd believe he's a seriously scary proposition for them as shooting into the maelstrom is not what wrestlers seek to do, but in order to set anything meaningful up to shoot for, they have to engage with strikes, which could literally be the end of them as far as the bout is concerned.

This guy is a legitimate problem for anyone, and there's very few with the tools to beat him, imo. The striking differential is probably the highest there's been in the entire history of the UFC, he's that special a striker.
 

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Honestly, I think the time to worry about him with wrestlers and grapplers has come and gone. Granted, he hasn't faced a specialist who combines with good striking, but his strikes, and the mark they leave, both physically and mentally, is transcendent. Fighters are terrified once they feel his power, and from there, really don't approach like they normally would.

I don't think he's calling out Adesanya via fear or evasion, rather than a mutual respect for an opponent who has really given him competition win or lose. I think Pereira is the type to run it back with anyone who has really given him problems - he's not the type I envisage ducking anyone, and even against elite wrestlers, a few strikes from him, and they are in jeopardy of going to sleep or having their legs taken away and being TKO'd. I'd believe he's a seriously scary proposition for them as shooting into the maelstrom is not what wrestlers seek to do, but in order to set anything meaningful up to shoot for, they have to engage with strikes, which could literally be the end of them as far as the bout is concerned.

This guy is a legitimate problem for anyone, and there's very few with the tools to beat him, imo. The striking differential is probably the highest there's been in the entire history of the UFC, he's that special a striker.
Alex should have called out Aspinall for the interim HW belt. Seriously, he’s in his late thirties and he could easily get big enough to trouble even a heavyweight as talented as Aspinall. The possibility of being a 3-weight champ? Should have done it
 

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Alex should have called out Aspinall for the interim HW belt. Seriously, he’s in his late thirties and he could easily get big enough to trouble even a heavyweight as talented as Aspinall. The possibility of being a 3-weight champ? Should have done it
Never even thought of him in the HW's, tbh. It would be quite something if his power carried over. I think in the old days when the likes of Rumble and even Cormier crossed over, there was only Cain in the picture as one of these übermensch, whereas now I think that age of true HW athletes is being ushered in with the likes of Aspinall, Gane and Pavlovich who are going to be the barometers for the division as Jones and Stipe call it a day.

Does Alex have the durability to not only hurt them, but be hurt by them? Can he handle grappling and weight bearing with them leaning on him? I don't know the answer to any of that stuff, but it's definitely another dimension to the LHW's.

Someone should put the question to him in one of those ask the fighter Q&A's and see what he himself thinks.
 

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Never even thought of him in the HW's, tbh. It would be quite something if his power carried over. I think in the old days when the likes of Rumble and even Cormier crossed over, there was only Cain in the picture as one of these übermensch, whereas now I think that age of true HW athletes is being ushered in with the likes of Aspinall, Gane and Pavlovich who are going to be the barometers for the division as Jones and Stipe call it a day.

Does Alex have the durability to not only hurt them, but be hurt by them? Can he handle grappling and weight bearing with them leaning on him? I don't know the answer to any of that stuff, but it's definitely another dimension to the LHW's.

Someone should put the question to him in one of those ask the fighter Q&A's and see what he himself thinks.
Normally it would be impossible and he’d obviously be a dog against the top-ranked heavies…..it’s just his power. It’s like @George Owen said, the touch of death, doesn’t have to be clean or even look that hard and people crumble.

Id be really into that story, him going up and going for a 3rd division title. I don’t mind a fast-track to the interim title either. Way more interesting than him fighting the dross at LHW or bloody Izzy again
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but Usman Nurmagomedov been suspended for doping in rather weird circumstances. They’re not releasing what he’s actually been banned for specifically from what I read, which has to be relatively unprecedented? Does this put a question mark over the rest of the Dagestani athletes?
 

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Normally it would be impossible and he’d obviously be a dog against the top-ranked heavies…..it’s just his power. It’s like @George Owen said, the touch of death, doesn’t have to be clean or even look that hard and people crumble.

Id be really into that story, him going up and going for a 3rd devision title. I don’t mind a fast-track to the interim title either. Way more interesting than him fighting the dross at LHW or bloody Izzy again
It would be quite something; the heat coming back at him from those HW's would be ferocious as they'd be massively offended that he would think he can go up two divisions like that, in this day and age.

I'm not saying he couldn't do it, but fighting the aforementioned is just a different world to the baddest LHW's; just so much more weight, power and mass. Gane, Aspinall and Pavlovich are the new breed: fast, mobile, explosive. Would be incredible if he could match them, particularly the first two.
 

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It would be quite something; the heat coming back at him from those HW's would be ferocious as they'd be massively offended that he would think he can go up two divisions like that, in this day and age.

I'm not saying he couldn't do it, but fighting the aforementioned is just a different world to the baddest LHW's; just so much more weight, power and mass. Gane, Aspinall and Pavlovich are the new breed: fast, mobile, explosive. Would be incredible if he could match them, particularly the first two.
Agree it’d be tough. He’s favoured to an extent that the 3 you mentioned are all really strikers (arguable Tom’s an all-rounder). Alex is a kickboxer who wants to fight on his feet. I think he’d really struggle with a prime Cormier for example who’d rag-doll him and keep him on the floor the whole fight. I’d give him a chance against anyone on his feet quite frankly, and he’s not exactly a dwarf. They said last night he was coming into the ring around 230-ish? He’s 6ft 4. Be interesting to see after say a 6 month bulk just how big he looks against the likes of Gane, who I think it also 6ft 4 and fights at around 245-250ish
 

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It's Perira face that scares me, has the look of a killer!

Like you see all these other great fights like Chucky Olives, Holloway, Volk, Aspinall, DC etc and they look like normal dudes.

Then you look into Pereira eyes and you know he's seen some shit.
 

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It's Perira face that scares me, has the look of a killer!

Like you see all these other great fights like Chucky Olives, Holloway, Volk, Aspinall, DC etc and they look like normal dudes.

Then you look into Pereira eyes and you know he's seen some shit.
To quote Iron Mike, “his face can’t hit me!”

But yeah he’s terrifying
 

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Agree it’d be tough. He’s favoured to an extent that the 3 you mentioned are all really strikers (arguable Tom’s an all-rounder). Alex is a kickboxer who wants to fight on his feet. I think he’d really struggle with a prime Cormier for example who’d rag-doll him and keep him on the floor the whole fight. I’d give him a chance against anyone on his feet quite frankly, and he’s not exactly a dwarf. They said last night he was coming into the ring around 230-ish? He’s 6ft 4. Be interesting to see after say a 6 month bulk just how big he looks against the likes of Gane, who I think it also 6ft 4 and fights at around 245-250ish
The biggest concern for those going up is losing their mobility and stamina even if their power carries over.

Aspinall and Gane are really, really fast and mobile at? 240ish? It's huge. Plus they have trye HW durability - could Pereira take the kind of punch Aspinall did last night? Can he handle multiple blows to the body on top of being heavier? Lots of questions that are great unknowns, just like they are/were for Jones.
 

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It's Perira face that scares me, has the look of a killer!

Like you see all these other great fights like Chucky Olives, Holloway, Volk, Aspinall, DC etc and they look like normal dudes.

Then you look into Pereira eyes and you know he's seen some shit.
The pre-fight staredown between him and Jiri last night was like some crazy real-life Manga shit. Except these aren’t made up characters, it really is a Brazilian monster vs a Samurai and they’re the best fighters in the world
 

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It's crazy how he looks like he's barely putting anything into the kicks, yet people buckle everytime. His power is scary.
 

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The biggest concern for those going up is losing their mobility and stamina even if their power carries over.

Aspinall and Gane are really, really fast and mobile at? 240ish? It's huge. Plus they have trye HW durability - could Pereira take the kind of punch Aspinall did last night? Can he handle multiple blows to the body on top of being heavier? Lots of questions that are great unknowns, just like they are/were for Jones.
These are the questions and we need to know the answers god dammit :lol:

I have no interest in Jamahal Hill I tell you. None.
 

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The biggest concern for those going up is losing their mobility and stamina even if their power carries over.

Aspinall and Gane are really, really fast and mobile at? 240ish? It's huge. Plus they have trye HW durability - could Pereira take the kind of punch Aspinall did last night? Can he handle multiple blows to the body on top of being heavier? Lots of questions that are great unknowns, just like they are/were for Jones.
Aspinall weighed in at just over 260 for last nights fight, I think the way he moves makes us think he's a bit lighter but he's a massive guy and moves like a middleweight, can't wait to see his continued evolution. I was scared for him last night but he took that initial shot from Pavlovich really well so it looks like he's got a good chin to go along with the rest of his game, could be a huge star in the making.
 

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Aspinall weighed in at just over 260 for last nights fight, I think the way he moves makes us think he's a bit lighter but he's a massive guy and moves like a middleweight, can't wait to see his continued evolution. I was scared for him last night but he took that initial shot from Pavlovich really well so it looks like he's got a good chin to go along with the rest of his game, could be a huge star in the making.
I’m in this thread tipping him to be a champion from the first time I saw him because he has everything you want and the movement of a much lighter man, as you say. Biggest fear is his knee holding up for me; really hope it doesn’t curtail his organic growth or give him any issues in the future - he needs it to hold up to be so explosive and mobile, too.

There’s little chance either Stipe or Jones risk their remaining career legacy by fighting him instead of one another, I think. He’s the new breed of HW that has been long overdue.

re. Weight. Didn’t know it was 260! Just goes to show how much of a leap it would be to try and take him on coming from a much lighter division.