My post was intended for @LyngI'm asking who on the forum has said that being press resistant is "hipster" or useless.
My post was intended for @LyngI'm asking who on the forum has said that being press resistant is "hipster" or useless.
Why compare him to Bellingham? There are loads of other absolutely fantastic players who didn’t have anything like as much first team football under their belt as Bellingham did at the same age. It’s ok if Mainoo’s development is paced somewhere in between those extremes.BEFORE his 18th bday, Bellingham had 2 full seasons under his belt. One in the championship and the other in Germany playing champs league football. He was ready.
I swear to all things wholy, if Mainoo finishes the seasons with 6 starts and we’re instead watching McT, Amrabat and Eriksen struggle through matches I’m gonna lose my s hi t
Mainoo, like Bellingham was, is ready
Indeed. I remember there was a time when only 10s played like this. Now they are everywhere. Players like Zola came to the PL and stood out a mile, and these players generally were the white boots, rolled down socks 10s who played like Thiago did in that video. At the very top level now, you can have up to 7 or 8 players on the pitch with this skillset. It’s something we have resisted for years, instead seemingly preferring some sort of ‘United Way’, and the hiring of an Ajax coach filled me with so much hope that we would finally transition. I must say that thus far, I have been disappointed with what I feel is a lack of emphasis on high technical levels and press resistance across the field, but perhaps it is something he is about to increase as his team continues to take shape.Being press resistant is a bigger requirement now than it was over 10 years ago in the EPL. And the reason for that is quite simply due to how teams have evolved tactically in England where they've adopted a method which provokes opposition into making mistakes In their defensive third. Building play from the back by circumnavigating the oppositions coordinated pressing structures is an absolute requirement in the game today if the aim is to dominate the ball in possession and out of possession by pressing intelligently to force the opposition into making errors and thus forcing them to turn over possession.
There was a time when the likes of Michels, Cruyff and Sacchi etc were referred to as being ideologues due to their defined method of play. But right now that very same idea has become mainstream and many fans are struggling to understand the change in concept. Hence it seems the managers post Fergie have been building teams from a bygone era whilst the likes of Guardiola and Klopp have adopted the methods of the aforementioned 'ideologues' and developed their teams with the same strategies for the present day.
Not just the midfielders but also the CBs being press resistant along with the GK is also a requirement. The bar has been raised significantly.
Having players who are press resistant is a real requirement or else you will struggle to over come a well coordinated press. The clip below is a good example of what we should be aiming for under a coach like EtH.
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Jesus ChristThat's because they're stupid/annoying phrases, which never needed to be invented. You could watch that exact same performance 30 years ago and not be stuck for words to describe what he did well. He was comfortable in possession and good on the ball. That's all that matters. Not this stupid notion that footballers can be divided into binary categories of "press resistant" and "not press resistant"
Who is hyping him? We are analyzing his performance and compare it to other squad membersHe had a great game. But please lets not hype him up just yet. let him enjoy the moment and continue to develop
Those would be unbelievably stupid things to say, surely nobody has said that?All the posters on here who called the idea of players being press resistant "hipster" and "useless", this performance was the definition of why it matters.
Pressing/counter pressing has been one of the dominant tactical themes of the last 7 or 8 years, its not a surprise people are coming up with words related to it. Being comfortable on the ball is not really the same thing.That's because they're stupid/annoying phrases, which never needed to be invented. You could watch that exact same performance 30 years ago and not be stuck for words to describe what he did well. He was comfortable in possession and good on the ball. That's all that matters. Not this stupid notion that footballers can be divided into binary categories of "press resistant" and "not press resistant"
I’ve no idea. He probably does need to start but it’s a massive ask to make your premier league debut on a Sunday and then champions league debut the Wednesday after in possibly the most hostile ground in Europe, at 18 years old as well. I think he should start though, he can do things our other midfielders simply can’t and he seems to have the attitude and calmness needed. Whether he will start or not is another matter though.Who takes his place?
I suspect he has a better temperament for that than our other midfielders and certainly other players who will be playing in other positionsI’ve no idea. He probably does need to start but it’s a massive ask to make your premier league debut on a Sunday and then champions league debut the Wednesday after in possibly the most hostile ground in Europe. I think he should start though, he can do things our other midfielders simply can’t. Whether he will or not is another matter though.
I'd imagine he'll get the Garnacho treatment of last season. Will probably get a few starts in the next few weeks while we still have an injury crisis and then get used more sparingly. Unless of course he performs too well to get dropped.Totally agree. I hope he gets a number of games this season, but overplaying a lad at 18 is a very distinct possibility, so I hope Ten Hag does the best for him, and the club's future, and also the caf doesn't go overboard on him playing every week.
I would like to think that this is the sort of player that a team could be built around in time, but yes, it is early days, but the signs are good.
Really? How, I feel like Cesc is a completely different profile of midfielder.He reminds me of a young Cesc. Would be a shame if he gets benched when the injured players return.
The answer as usual is somewhere in the middle no? There's numerous comments declaring it's a no brainer he's our best midfield talent for ten years.All these "Don't hype him, don't hype him" comments are getting tiresome, let people get excited about young prospects ffs.
One popped up in my feed this morning have a search on YouTubeHas anyone seen any highlight packages of his touches and involvements yesterday? If so, please link.
I'm just taking the piss mateHow much does it bother me, exactly?
And maybe that's just it. I go by the old saying of "if you're good enough, you're old enough". So I don't give extra points just because someone is young. I judge the performance on the field and everyone is held to the same expectations. So while he was good, I have a hard time giving him higher than a 6/10. Perhaps that's because his teammates let him down as Everton dominated us in the middle of the park and created more chances...True but with every reason to be. He looked like one of the most experienced and older players.
To be fair in my own humble opinion as an unknown it’s easier get on the end of things and tuck in some nice goals and let hype take over. It’s very rare to see a young fella come in and run a game of football. Wilshere, Cesc, Gilmour. The last one for us was Possebon and he didn’t run it, he just looked silky in that pocket of space and he had better players around him. Mainoo is a much better prospect.like Januzaj 13-14, Martial/Rashford 15-16
I like McTominay but for me, he should be a player coming off the bench if we are chasing a game. Let's face it, he puts away his chances. But with all the hard work he puts in, he's just not very good or confident with the ball at his feet. All he kept doing yesterday was passing it back when a defender or Onana passed it to him in the midfield. No peek over his shoulder. No turn. Not even a pass to the wing. Just straight back to where it came. I liked that Mainoo was looking to turn and dribble a bit. I just found that he got himself into double and triple teams a few times when he should have passed it off sooner. I liked what a saw for the most part though. I just think that with how good he looked in preseason, we were all excited to see him back in the team and perhaps over rated his performance a little bit. It was good, but Onana was by far the man of the match...I agree it wasn't an 8/10, but it was at least a 7 if not 7.5. Probably the latter due to clearing the ball off the line and the defensive block a few minutes later.
If Scott gave that same performance I would say it was probably the best actual midfield performance he's had since Spurs a couple years ago. Even when Scott plays well it's normally only on the individual level, rather than doing much to help the team function like a midfielder is supposed to. It's why while everyone else talks about that Leeds performance, I most fondly remember the Spurs match the same season where he actually controlled the team around well that day.
I mean I think it's fair to call someone a "top talent". He absolutely is the best midfield talent we've had come through since Pogba, that isn't exactly a high bar to cross. No one is saying "he's the best midfielder we've had since Scholes" or something stupid like that, but people also aren't blind and are a day removed from watching an 18 year old put in the best midfield performance of the season on his debut playing next to 2 senior international players who mostly looked like headless chickens in the first half.The answer as usual is somewhere in the middle no? There's numerous comments declaring it's a no brainer he's our best midfield talent for ten years.
It may be right - but right now that's nuts, just enjoy his start.
A bloke did literally say this. Anyway no drama, onwards and upwards for him.I mean I think it's fair to call someone a "top talent". He absolutely is the best midfield talent we've had come through since Pogba, that isn't exactly a high bar to cross. No one is saying "he's the best midfielder we've had since Scholes" or something stupid like that, but people also aren't blind and are a day removed from watching an 18 year old put in the best midfield performance of the season on his debut playing next to 2 senior international players who mostly looked like headless chickens in the first half.
What does he have to do with this?Jesus Christ
Agree. Any random youth attacker could get a bit of luck and have chances fall to him and he puts them away to be called the next star. Watching an 18 year old in the PL confidently take on the entire burden of starting attacks nearly on his own and carrying the ball out of pressure (something not a single one of our players do well) is much more rare to see.To be fair in my own humble opinion as an unknown it’s easier get on the end of things and tuck in some nice goals and let hype take over. It’s very rare to see a young fella come in and run a game of football. Wilshere, Cesc, Gilmour. The last one for us was Possebon and he didn’t run it, he just looked silky in that pocket of space and he had better players around him. Mainoo is a much better prospect.
Fair enough I didn't see that.A bloke did literally say this. Anyway no drama, onwards and upwards for him.
Perhaps? If you’d averaged out both their contributions over 90 minutes McTominay would have touched and passed the ball almost exactly half as many times as Mainoo. So stands to reason that our midfield as a unit won’t function when the contributions are so uneven. It also makes the fact that Mainoo looked so competent and assured, despite playing alongside the invisible man, even more impressive.And maybe that's just it. I go by the old saying of "if you're good enough, you're old enough". So I don't give extra points just because someone is young. I judge the performance on the field and everyone is held to the same expectations. So while he was good, I have a hard time giving him higher than a 6/10. Perhaps that's because his teammates let him down as Everton dominated us in the middle of the park and created more chances...
Agree. It’s the only thing that’s consistently positive, even in our shittest seasons we’ve had players like Rashford, he who shall not be named, Williams, Lingard etc come through. They might not go on to be the best in the world but it’s always great to see them do well in the PL.All these "Don't hype him, don't hype him" comments are getting tiresome, let people get excited about young prospects ffs.
Meh. People can use whatever words they want. Everyone knows what qualities a good central midfielder has when he’s on the ball so it doesn’t matter what words they use. We can all see that they seem to have more space and time than lesser players. And that’s what matters.Pressing/counter pressing has been one of the dominant tactical themes of the last 7 or 8 years, its not a surprise people are coming up with words related to it. Being comfortable on the ball is not really the same thing.
#6, #8 anything in-between.Is the number 8 spot his normal position? Or is he a CM generally?
In academy matches his most impressive abilities were his contribution to the attack. Dribbling and passing the ball. The goal line clearances and last ditch blocks weren’t a feature of his game. Not that I remember anyway. Looks like he’s getting more well rounded as he matures. Which is great. On MOTD they even mentioned how well he was tracking runs into our box (something the rest of our CMs have been crap at for ages)Is the number 8 spot his normal position? Or is he a CM generally?
He's always been pretty well-rounded, even in the academy. Still think he'll end up an #8 though personally, same with Gore if he breaks through.In academy matches his most impressive abilities were his contribution to the attack. Dribbling and passing the ball. The goal line clearances and last ditch blocks weren’t a feature of his game. Not that I remember anyway. Looks like he’s getting more well rounded as he matures. Which is great. On MOTD they even mentioned how well he was tracking runs into our box (something the rest of our CMs have been crap at for ages)