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Greek newspapers are legit catering to conspiracy theorists sometimes.

Among other things, the paper accuses Sunak of being a goldmann sachs plant (also calls him rat faced, and that he's in cahoots with the Turkish government, and claims that King Charles is secretly a christian orthodox and he should intervene.

Finally they called Elgin a "katsaplias", which is a slur reseved for mainly for hideously untalented football players.
 

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I don't think even he does, its par for the job.... apart from Frank Field I don't think I have believed any politician, when talking about themselves, since I was about 35 years old, that's about the time of the Oil Crisis, ROSLA, Nixon's resignation, 3-day week, State of Emergency in NI and major local government re-organisation, none of the leading politicians of the day told the truth about their part in things, except I suppose Nixon.... well at least he resigned!
Hancock should remember that he is under oath having been sworn in as in a normal court of law.

As you rightly point out, it is highly regrettable that we have zero faith in what politicians are saying.
Maybe twas ever thus.

But only this morning, there was a Tory lady at the COP28 trying to convince us that the roll backs in the UK climate change policies, such as listening new coal mining and new oil and gas fields in the north sea, plus Sunak ridiculous changes to electric vehicles from 2030 to 2035 will have 'no change at all to the UK net zero' pledges.
I mean honestly.
 

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Hancock should remember that he is under oath having been sworn in as in a normal court of law.

As you rightly point out, it is highly regrettable that we have zero faith in what politicians are saying.
Maybe twas ever thus.


But only this morning, there was a Tory lady at the COP28 trying to convince us that the roll backs in the UK climate change policies, such as listening new coal mining and new oil and gas fields in the north sea, plus Sunak ridiculous changes to electric vehicles from 2030 to 2035 will have 'no change at all to the UK net zero' pledges.
I mean honestly.
It's when they are talking about themselves more than anything else when I disbelieve most, they either 'won the war on their own" or it was "entirely, not their fault".
As far as the net zero is concerned, the argument seems to be instead of laying ourselves open to being 'hostages to fortune' in buying in coal, oil and gas, we will develop more of our own sources, oh yes the price for doing this is we overshoot on net zero... but they don't admit the last bit. The electric cars thing is 'for the birds' anyway, lots of development needed yet on batteries, weight to power ratio's etc. I can't believe anyone really believes this stuff anyway!
 

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It's when they are talking about themselves more than anything else when I disbelieve most, they either 'won the war on their own" or it was "entirely, not their fault".
As far as the net zero is concerned, the argument seems to be instead of laying ourselves open to being 'hostages to fortune' in buying in coal, oil and gas, we will develop more of our own sources, oh yes the price for doing this is we overshoot on net zero... but they don't admit the last bit. The electric cars thing is 'for the birds' anyway, lots of development needed yet on batteries, weight to power ratio's etc. I can't believe anyone really believes this stuff anyway!
There will inevitably be development on EV Batteries and the cars in general. And incidentally I am hoping that more of them will be made here in the UK.
But I have an EV and I couldn't be more pleased with it. Yes they are a bit heavier, assuming you don't drive a ridiculous sized SUV. But the performance is excellent, as is the cost of driving.
 

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There will inevitably be development on EV Batteries and the cars in general. And incidentally I am hoping that more of them will be made here in the UK.
But I have an EV and I couldn't be more pleased with it. Yes they are a bit heavier, assuming you don't drive a ridiculous sized SUV. But the performance is excellent, as is the cost of driving.
How often do you charge it?
 

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How often do you charge it?
This should really be in the Electric Car thread.
I have an MG4 51KWH with the LFP battery which can be charged to 100% and have only ever charged it at home with the Granny Charger. So I typically charge every week.
 

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I have exactly the same car as @Buster15 and usually top it up every 7 to 10 days at home.
Have calculated that with my previous car it would have cost over €300 in diesel - the new car has cost me around €25 in electricity for the same distance covered. Some saving.
I didn't know it was that good to be fair! That's some battery.
 

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There will inevitably be development on EV Batteries and the cars in general. And incidentally I am hoping that more of them will be made here in the UK.
But I have an EV and I couldn't be more pleased with it. Yes they are a bit heavier, assuming you don't drive a ridiculous sized SUV. But the performance is excellent, as is the cost of driving.
"Ooops" sorry, hope you keep on being pleased.

Lots of people I know with EV's who are far from satisfied, they keep finding faults, the 'power drain' when every thing is switched on, especially in bad weather, which leads also to 'destination anxiety' and for some I am told, costs are more, but good luck... "if the cap fits wear it..." as they say up here ;)
 

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I didn't know it was that good to be fair! That's some battery.
It's quite a small range - around 350km but I don't do high mileages any more and haven't used a public charger yet. But like all cars you buy a car to adapt to your use. It's considerably cheaper charging it at home. Definitely wouldn't go back to petrol/diesel cars now. I used to have a 3 litre petrol Jag before my previous diesel and this has faster acceleration than that. Boy racer car.
 

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But like all cars you buy a car to adapt to your use
Spot on Paul, the one person I know who is in favour of her new EV is a widow who exchanged her husbands 'gas guzzler' (after his death). She only does two trips a week to her local supermarket and one or twice a month to see her granddaughter who lives about 30-35 miles away. She does admit to 'destination anxiety' when she occasionally stops over the weekend with her granddaughter and she immediately has to find somewhere to charge before she sets off home.

"Horse for courses... eh?
 

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Spot on Paul, the one person I know who is in favour of her new EV is a widow who exchanged her husbands 'gas guzzler' (after his death). She only does two trips a week to her local supermarket and one or twice a month to see her granddaughter who lives about 30-35 miles away. She does admit to 'destination anxiety' when she occasionally stops over the weekend with her granddaughter and she immediately has to find somewhere to charge before she sets off home.

"Horse for courses... eh?
Never had destination anxiety, there are loads of public chargers everywhere and I live in the middle of the countryside. But if you did more mileage then they'd get a more long range car. Plus it was cheap to buy and very cheap to run. Complete new world
 

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I have exactly the same car as @Buster15 and usually top it up every 7 to 10 days at home.
Have calculated that with my previous car it would have cost over €300 in diesel - the new car has cost me around €25 in electricity for the same distance covered. Some saving.
That is excellent isn't it. And probably a whole lot more fun.
 

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Never had destination anxiety, there are loads of public chargers everywhere and I live in the middle of the countryside. But if you did more mileage then they'd get a more long range car. Plus it was cheap to buy and very cheap to run. Complete new world
100%.
In the summer I was getting almost 5 miles/kWh and a range of 250 miles/400 km.
 

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This will be catastrophic for sectors such as the NHS and Care who rely on migrants.

It's a joke of an announcement, but people arriving on health or social care visas will be exempt from the new salary threshold.
 

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Yep just seen that but they can’t bring spouses who earn less than the threshold.
Yeah, and anybody who meets somebody abroad and who wants to bring them over to continue the relationship now need to earn £38,700. So basically if you're young and met somebody you've got no chance.
 

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As a nurse, this is going to be a huge problem. We already rely so heavily on oversees nurses and health care workers. Half my ward are made up of nurses from the Philippines and India. They have all come with their families because they could in the past. Can see this as a massive deterrent now.
 

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As a nurse, this is going to be a huge problem. We already rely so heavily on oversees nurses and health care workers. Half my ward are made up of nurses from the Philippines and India. They have all come with their families because they could in the past. Can see this as a massive deterrent now.
Yes but the British public dying en masse due to worker shortages in the health sector is a small price to pay for making an arbitrarily calculated number smaller.
 

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This is honestly disgusting - especially the family route one

My wife is on a spousal visa and whilst we meet the new criteria, the jump is absolutely appalling. They are genuinely breaking relationships and families in doing this

I can only assume/hope that people who are already on the visa can continue on the same requirements they were granted on. Because it would rip even more families apart otherwise
 

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This is honestly disgusting - especially the family route one

My wife is on a spousal visa and whilst we meet the new criteria, the jump is absolutely appalling. They are genuinely breaking relationships and families in doing this

I can only assume/hope that people who are already on the visa can continue on the same requirements they were granted on. Because it would rip even more families apart otherwise
Do the Spousal requirements not infringe upon the rights of actual citizens? It's crazy to me that there is even a barrier to entry.
 

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This is honestly disgusting - especially the family route one

My wife is on a spousal visa and whilst we meet the new criteria, the jump is absolutely appalling. They are genuinely breaking relationships and families in doing this

I can only assume/hope that people who are already on the visa can continue on the same requirements they were granted on. Because it would rip even more families apart otherwise
I don't think they will rip up currently issued visas... But when it comes to renew.

My girlfriend's is working on a post graduate visa after completing her studies is due to run out at the end of 2024, her company has said that will sponsor her but with the new salary she will have to ask for a salary increase aswell, so we are a bit scared of the outcome. She's going to ask for sponsorship tomorrow before the April deadline.

Otherwise it'll be a quick rush down the registry office
 

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I have been making plans to leave this country for a while. I mean I spend nearly half the year outside this country. This country is hostile to immigrants.
13 years ago while I was in uni, Theresa May made us queue up like outcasts to sign some silly attendance just because we were foreign students. We even paid thousands of pounds for the humiliation.
I thought it couldn’t get worse than that. I tell all my Nigerian friends who want to pay a fortune to study in the UK, “don’t even think about it. Go to a friendlier country”. Not one that will take your money and treat you like shit.
The sad part is immigration in not even a real issue. It’s perceived. I am a citizen now but don’t even feel like one.
 

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It's just absurd. There's such little thought put into this, it's just "make it look like they're stealing the jobs!!".

So short sighted and stupid. Hateful cnuty Government.
 

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Do the Spousal requirements not infringe upon the rights of actual citizens? It's crazy to me that there is even a barrier to entry.
So we just did my wife's renewal last month and the lawyer in her letter for support said it infringes in our rights to a private life or something if she was refused

We met the criteria fine but when she wrote that I thought it was interesting and wonder what the case is if you don't meet the criteria but have settled in life in terms of job, kids etc

But yeah, it's outrageous that people can't be with loved ones anymore. I did see a post in a Facebook group and made me think, I wonder if it is still just for non British citizens bringing people on a family visa and that British citizens aren't impacted - but it's a stretch and unlikely
 

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So we just did my wife's renewal last month and the lawyer in her letter for support said it infringes in our rights to a private life or something if she was refused

We met the criteria fine but when she wrote that I thought it was interesting and wonder what the case is if you don't meet the criteria but have settled in life in terms of job, kids etc

But yeah, it's outrageous that people can't be with loved ones anymore. I did see a post in a Facebook group and made me think, I wonder if it is still just for non British citizens bringing people on a family visa and that British citizens aren't impacted - but it's a stretch and unlikely
Those rights come from the Human Rights Act which apparently is terrible and that's why the government wants to get rid of it. Trebles all round!
 

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I don't think they will rip up currently issued visas... But when it comes to renew.

My girlfriend's is working on a post graduate visa after completing her studies is due to run out at the end of 2024, her company has said that will sponsor her but with the new salary she will have to ask for a salary increase aswell, so we are a bit scared of the outcome. She's going to ask for sponsorship tomorrow before the April deadline.

Otherwise it'll be a quick rush down the registry office
Honestly, if you guys are sure you will get married and your girlfriend doesn't get a yes from her work then just do it

I imagine the Home office is going to be inundated with applications in the next couple months
 

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Those rights come from the Human Rights Act which apparently is terrible and that's why the government wants to get rid of it. Trebles all round!
Honestly, it won't be long at this rate before they have a problem keeping people in this country
 

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Rachel Reeves putting the chancer in chancellor, Wes Streeting as health minister, a lot of people I've never heard of... Good that Thornberry, Milliband and Cooper are in there, and Lammy should know what he's doing in the Justice department but remains to be seen what he knows about foreign policy. Hopefully some of the ones we don't know much about can show they're up to the job as they'll need to be. Without any policies or money it won't really matter that much how competent they are though, we can only hope the cowardly non-positions Starmer has taken on almost every policy give way when they take office. I won't hold my breath.
Why do you think this? His words are always twisted for media soundbites. But he’s fairly consistent on policy messaging for working people.

I truly don’t get this idea that Starmer is centre right. Or even a centrist. All of his policies and full-text ideas are pro Europe, left of Blair, and fully costed. It doesn’t take much to read it all and see that.

Yes. I would like radical change. But I don’t think a polished Corbyn 2.0 that runs on vibes would galvanise anything like the amount of people needed to actually win.
 

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Starmer is going to rip the tories a new one on this.

Way too lenient on immigrants.