Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Would you allow ETH to manage the cup final before parting ways?

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It’s up to ten Hag now to address the clear issues within the squad. Whatever our issue with striker depth, never let martial step into the team again. He’s an absolute fecking disgrace of a player. Drop Rashford and McT as well. Give more minutes to Garnacho, Mainoo and Hannibal and integrate Amad into the squad.

I’m tired of the overpaid wasters. I’d rather take further short-term pain with developing young players than the garbage some of these bottlers offer up each week. Sacking the manager is by and far the worst thing we can do at this stage, as it further solidifies the player power at the club. We saw what happened when we sacked Jose when he demanded standards. The players always unmask and show who they really are.
 

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Isn't that the point i'm making though. He didn't wave the wand and immediately turn you into what you are now, but he did start addressing the problems immediately, started to give you an identity and built with his signings towards that. It took time, but it worked.

The point i'm making, is that if you look at the work EtH has currently done here at United, could you say the same? What's the style and hows his tranfers helped implement it?
But in season 2 he didn't. Arsenal were very disjointed without a style that looked much different from Emery's at his worst. He only really improved it in season 3 and 4.
 

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Imagine being given a broken car and asked to drive Formula one races with it.

The start of last season showed this squad can‘t do what Ten Hag is asking, and we still can‘t. They can‘t work hard enough, follow directions consistently or show basic game intelligence.

The only solution is to bench those that don‘t show it, fit in academy players if that is what it takes.
 

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Imagine being given a broken car and asked to drive Formula one races with it.

The start of last season showed this squad can‘t do what Ten Hag is asking, and we still can‘t. They can‘t work hard enough, follow directions consistently or show basic game intelligence.

The only solution is to bench those that don‘t show it, fit in academy players if that is what it takes.
There is nothing to imagine.
He got 400m to tune up that broken car. He bought parts from Wish.
 

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But in season 2 he didn't. Arsenal were very disjointed without a style that looked much different from Emery's at his worst. He only really improved it in season 3 and 4.
Don’t forget the growing pains associated with integrating young players from the academy into the squad. It’s shocking that many people don’t realize that club growth and improvement isn’t linear, there are usually major bumps along the way and Arteta had many.
 

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Don’t forget the growing pains associated with integrating young players from the academy into the squad. It’s shocking that many people don’t realize that club growth and improvement isn’t linear, there are usually major bumps along the way and Arteta had many.
Yes. Arteta was actually massively teetering in season 2. Many more fans in the Arsenal fanbase wanted him gone compared to ETH now.

Arsenal were also royally shit to watch for two seasons as well.
 

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Couldn't every Club latch on to the Arteta example and claim that every Manager should be kept as they are just like Arteta and will eventually turn the club around and become brilliant. I'll remind you, Arteta joined much like Ange Postecoglou has at Tottenham and declared that he was playing a specific style of football and that would be it. He kept playing that way and bought players to fit that system and they gradually improved, it took time but they always played their way through the good and the bad. It's happening with Tottenham, they're doing precisely the same thing where they have a Manager with a very specific philosophy and they're sticking by it.

What is EtH's philosophy? How has his signings helped this?
The same question was asked by Arsenal fans too- what'd his style and what exactly are we doing? It's right here in this forum. Dig it up.

You don't like ETH fine , but don't bring up inaccurate claims to support it.
 

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Yes. Arteta was actually massively teetering in season 2. Many more fans in the Arsenal fanbase wanted him gone compared to ETH now.

Arsenal were also royally shit to watch for two seasons as well.
In hindsight, the approach paid off. But in real-time, it looked fairly shite a lot of the time before it clicked. The Arteta thread on here is testament to that.

My brother supports Arsenal and was thoroughly sick of Arteta at one point.
 

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Arteta finished 8th back to back and in his second season specifically, no one including many arsenal fans could see what he was trying to do in season 2. There were also transfer mistakes made early on with Luiz and Wilian etc.
Nonetheless his point holds true. Should Chelsea have kept Lampard on the first time? Should Liverpool have kept Rogers (and thus missed out on Klopp)? Should Villa have stuck with Gerrard (and not got Emery)? Giving failing managers more time just for the sake of it without really knowing why is and always has been a nonsense. Now maybe behind the scenes Ten Hag is doing great stuff and I’ll be delighted to admit I was wrong if he turns it around and takes us back to the top but there’s literally no evidence for it outside of hearsay from Andy Mitten and Henry Winter.
Imagine being given a broken car and asked to drive Formula one races with it.

The start of last season showed this squad can‘t do what Ten Hag is asking, and we still can‘t. They can‘t work hard enough, follow directions consistently or show basic game intelligence.

The only solution is to bench those that don‘t show it, fit in academy players if that is what it takes.
One of the big problems with Ten Hag is precisely that he isn’t doing that. He would have a lot more support if he was! Instead he’s gone back to starting Maguire, McTom, Martial and co. Playing nonsense ping pong football (at best) while hundreds of millions of his transfers are sat on the bench having not impressed and there being no long term vision in sight.
 

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Nonetheless his point holds true. Should Chelsea have kept Lampard on the first time? Should Liverpool have kept Rogers (and thus missed out on Klopp)? Should Villa have stuck with Gerrard (and not got Emery)? Giving failing managers more time just for the sake of it without really knowing why is and always has been a nonsense. Now maybe behind the scenes Ten Hag is doing great stuff and I’ll be delighted to admit I was wrong if he turns it around and takes us back to the top but there’s literally no evidence for it outside of hearsay from Andy Mitten and Henry Winter.
The job Ten Hag had of fixing the culture of the team and getting them competitive in tandem all whilst trying to implement a style that's attractive is one that needs a bucket load more time than your named managers. Also your named examples were given more than 2 seasons.
 

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In hindsight, the approach paid off. But in real-time, it looked fairly shite a lot of the time before it clicked. The Arteta thread on here is testament to that.

My brother supports Arsenal and was thoroughly sick of Arteta at one point.
But there is a lesson to this isn’t there? The supporters (including myself) know feck all.
 

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Arteta finished 8th back to back and in his second season specifically, no one including many arsenal fans could see what he was trying to do in season 2. There were also transfer mistakes made early on with Luiz and Wilian etc.
I could see what he was trying to do (check my post history if you wish), and I can safely tell you that ETH isn't going to do the same. I don't see what he's doing at all and I watch United every game. The football Arteta was developing with a much worse Arsenal team was clear. No such thing with ETH.
 

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I could see what he was trying to do (check my post history if you wish), and I can safely tell you that ETH isn't going to do the same. I don't see what he's doing at all and I watch United every game. The football Arteta was developing with a much worse Arsenal team was clear. No such thing with ETH.
We actually showed glimpses of his football in the first season. The trouble is when you rely on players like Martinez/Casemiro to play out the way you want to and they get injured then it kind of ruins things. It shouldn’t be an excuse but it is because the other players can’t play the same way. It also helps when you have in form players. Rashford was banging them in last season. He’s now rubbish.
 

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Newcastle and spurs don’t stop their style of play until their players return and we’ll see how their approach goes. Our manager admits it’s on hold until they return as he ops for a more direct approach instead. So players waiting for their chance at United are greeted with the realisation it’s not quite the same game for them when they get their chance. Is this demotivating or motivating…for me the style goes right through the club at some point not sure why you’d start changing your approach so radically from one week to the next. I think the players lost faith in his game plans at some point.
I guess we will. Spurs have had 1pt in 9 since getting Ten Hag's levels of injury thus far.
 

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We actually showed glimpses of his football in the first season. The trouble is when you rely on players like Martinez/Casemiro to play out the way you want to and they get injured then it kind of ruins things. It shouldn’t be an excuse but it is because the other players can’t play the same way. It also helps when you have in form players. Rashford was banging them in last season. He’s now rubbish.
I don't think his football will ever be anywhere near as good as what Arsenal and others play. I said early doors that I could see he wasn't setting up to play possession football, many argued I was wrong and then he's confirmed it himself. It's pretty obvious by now anyway. But nothing I saw last season got me excited about a future under ETH, results were decent but actual performances not so. Look at threads where people rated ETH at the end of the season and they all say the same thing about lacking a style of play, no obvious approach to attacking etc. Even comparisons with Ole's football.
 

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I could see what he was trying to do (check my post history if you wish), and I can safely tell you that ETH isn't going to do the same. I don't see what he's doing at all and I watch United every game. The football Arteta was developing with a much worse Arsenal team was clear. No such thing with ETH.
I was also Backing Arteta in his early days. Doesn't change the fact they were massively disjointed and didn't have the injuries ten hag did.
 

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I guess we will. Spurs have had 1pt in 9 since getting Ten Hag's levels of injury thus far.
Played quite well though according to my Spurs supporting mate. That's the difference, we're apparently not allowed even a peek at ETH's famous football until everybody is back and ready. Just like we would only see it when we signed a ball playing GK :lol:
 

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Played quite well though according to my Spurs supporting mate. That's the difference, we're apparently not allowed even a peek at ETH's famous football until everybody is back and ready. Just like we would only see it when we signed a ball playing GK :lol:
The difference is also that Ange won't be able to get 1 pt in 9 and pats on the back at United. He can at Spurs.

This hot seat is a lot worse than playing sexy and saying mate whisky having a poor return with some injuries at Spurs.
 

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Played quite well though according to my Spurs supporting mate. That's the difference, we're apparently not allowed even a peek at ETH's famous football until everybody is back and ready. Just like we would only see it when we signed a ball playing GK :lol:
We’re never going to see it apparently, it’s reserved only for Ajax. Considering we’re only two first team players away from his first choice 11 we should be seeing something.
 

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I was also Backing Arteta in his early days. Doesn't change the fact they were massively disjointed and didn't have the injuries ten hag did.
They also had a much worse squad. They probably had injuries, as does everybody at some stage. Regardless, it was a lot like Klopp at Liverpool in that you could see what he was doing and it looked like it could/would be good, but it only improved when the team did. We've signed the players he apparently wanted before we've got to see what he can produce. And now people want us to start again and let him rebuild for a few years before we might finally get to see it.

Basically, people are desperately hoping we assemble a squad so good that ETH stumbles across a meaningful cup/attractive football. Probably to say 'see, I told you so'.
 

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I don't think his football will ever be anywhere near as good as what Arsenal and others play. I said early doors that I could see he wasn't setting up to play possession football, many argued I was wrong and then he's confirmed it himself. It's pretty obvious by now anyway. But nothing I saw last season got me excited about a future under ETH, results were decent but actual performances not so. Look at threads where people rated ETH at the end of the season and they all say the same thing about lacking a style of play, no obvious approach to attacking etc. Even comparisons with Ole's football.
So the games against Arsenal, city and Liverpool where we won at home didn’t excite you? The city one we limited them to very few shots and kept there main man quiet. The arsenal one we scored some good goals and the first one against them was brilliant build up play. Same for Liverpool. Some great play and a good win. The one that’s the most exciting though is when we beat spurs and dominated the game from first minute to last minute. They couldn’t get out of their own half.
 

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So the games against Arsenal, city and Liverpool where we won at home didn’t excite you? The city one we limited them to very few shots and kept there main man quiet. The arsenal one we scored some good goals and the first one against them was brilliant build up play. Same for Liverpool. Some great play and a good win. The one that’s the most exciting though is when we beat spurs and dominated the game from first minute to last minute. They couldn’t get out of their own half.
City was a fluke, Arsenal were better and Liverpool at home was and still is the best performance I've seen under him. But I've realised the fans were responding to the amazing atmosphere that day as I've never seen anything remotely like it from us since. Besides, it takes more than one or two games to convince me. And when I see some of the catastrophic performances then that just puts more doubt in my head.
 

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Daft isn't it. I'm just being sarcastic to try to show how mental they're being.
I don’t understand the excuses or the plan if there is one. I think a lot of people are just jaded with the hiring and firing of managers so they cling to the hope that the current one is the right one, he just needs more time 25 new players and about £1b.
 

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It really makes sense of what, as a layman, my eyes can see but not explain. In the comments, that Keano quote is itself insane. Blame the players for obvious managerial errors because reasons.
Truly depressing. He's far too tactically naive for this league and he will get the sack eventually, it's just sad that we're going to have to get mauled by Pool again before it happens.
I'm stunned, I wasn't aware he was coming up this short in the tactical department.
 

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I don’t understand the excuses or the plan if there is one. I think a lot of people are just jaded with the hiring and firing of managers so they cling to the hope that the current one is the right one, he just needs more time 25 new players and about £1b.
You're probably right. I actually think there'd be barely a murmur in his defence if he got sacked, they are just so opposed to it for now comprehendible reason. They can't even put a coherent defence or strategy forward in which he remains. It's just 'sack the players', 'sack the Glazers', 'sack Murtough'. Sack anybody apparently, apart from the guy directly responsible! That being said, the behind the scenes stuff will be sorted in the next weeks or months. But that doesn't mean we can't sort the manager situation.
 

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City was a fluke, Arsenal were better and Liverpool at home was and still is the best performance I've seen under him. But I've realised the fans were responding to the amazing atmosphere that day as I've never seen anything remotely like it from us since. Besides, it takes more than one or two games to convince me. And when I see some of the catastrophic performances then that just puts more doubt in my head.
Any thoughts on the spurs game? :lol: I’d say that was our best performance under him. When have we ever dominated a team and created chances like that game? I wouldn’t say city’s was a fluke. If you mean the controversial goal then it should have at least been a draw. They did nothing to grant their goal. We was the better team for most of it.
 

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https://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/2...-analysis-the-definition-of-insanity#comments

A sobering read indeed. I wonder which teams do well with our tactics?
This is what happens when you have a ‘principals’ manager. You consistently play the same way, insist on the same principals and then you blame the players when it doesn’t come off because the principals can never be wrong.

Just think about how many world class CB parings would never have saw the light of day if your CB’s had to be one left and one right footer? Not us though, it’s absolutely necessary if we’re going to beat the likes of Luton.

This is common throughout the team. They’re doing ‘principals’ for the sake of it.
 

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They also had a much worse squad. They probably had injuries, as does everybody at some stage. Regardless, it was a lot like Klopp at Liverpool in that you could see what he was doing and it looked like it could/would be good, but it only improved when the team did. We've signed the players he apparently wanted before we've got to see what he can produce. And now people want us to start again and let him rebuild for a few years before we might finally get to see it.

Basically, people are desperately hoping we assemble a squad so good that ETH stumbles across a meaningful cup/attractive football. Probably to say 'see, I told you so'.
The squad thing is BS to me. They were in their second season, so they had two summers and still finished 8th and won 18 games. Their style was disjointed and they made a couple poor moves in the window with Lokonga, Tavares, Wilian and Luiz.

Artetas first and second season was absolutely nothing like Klopp in playing style. That is definitely an exagerration.
 

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The squad thing is BS to me. They were in their second season, so they had two summers and still finished 8th and won 18 games. Their style was disjointed and they made a couple poor moves in the window with Lokonga, Tavares, Wilian and Luiz.

Artetas first and second season was absolutely nothing like Klopp in playing style. That is definitely an exagerration.
Arteta was clearly learning on the job and still needed to find his winning formula. Klopp did this step of his personal evolution in Mainz and early Dortmund years. And it's understandable as Arteta is manager for the first time at Arsenal. If you put a newbie in that role you shouldn't be surprised if this happens, and obviously the club board was willing to take the risk and keep him.

EtH on the other hand is in his career at the same place as Klopp was when he joined Liverpool - experienced manager of CL-level club and national title winner moving over to the PL. There is far less reason to forgive EtH for such stylistic struggles than there was for Arteta. And even than don't forget, despite what he build Arteta hasn't won anything with this great team (except the FA Cup early on which bought him time, but wasn't won in style).
 

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Any thoughts on the spurs game? :lol: I’d say that was our best performance under him. When have we ever dominated a team and created chances like that game? I wouldn’t say city’s was a fluke. If you mean the controversial goal then it should have at least been a draw. They did nothing to grant their goal. We was the better team for most of it.
You're right. The controversy surrounding our equaliser vs City has made a lot of people misremember the game as a whole. At half time I was annoyed that we weren't 1 or 2 goals up.
 

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What exactly have arsenal and arteta done in this time though? Finished 2nd? We managed that under Ole and Jose. Arteta will get sacked long before he wins the league with arsenal.
Have you seen what Arsenal have been doing? They have a style and personality. They’re trying to usurp a state run club for the title and are doing a fine job of it along with a great group stage in Europe. But it took several years and bumps along the way to reach this point. Where would they be if they sacked Arteta in year 2? Nowhere close to a title bid and in the middle of another rebuild.

It’s actually ridiculous what the “sack brigade” will come up with because they’re too weak or blind to see the issues with the club. Ten Hag has had to deal with a shit ton adversity yet he is being blamed for everything. Seems like the supporters are as petulant and spoiled as the players he’s trying to reign in. Ten Hag in, shite sensationalist reporters and fans out.
 

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From Man Utd appointment of Ten Haag, we can conclude and agree we wanted to move towards an agressive (out of possession) and controlled (in possesion) tyype of play which is the modern football type. Mastering these two is key to create chances and win games in a pleasing dominant way as the best teams in the last decade have done.
But, Man Utd suffers from many deeprooted problems all over the club. Player power, poor disciplinary record and mentality, supplemented by poor running of a football club across various levels. As Ragnick said it, we need an open heart surgery, just splashing money left and right is not the way forward (we did spend a lot over the last decade, but poorly). Its just a way to calm supporters, just splash money and buy.
Ten Haag is not a god! We are expecting him to do everything from training, to scouting, to disciplinary, to observe nutrition, to run the club and so on and so on. Other successfull teams have efficient foorball hierarchy with a strategic view working hand in hand with the manager and truly supporting them. Now in my opinion i will try to provide my view on each players strength and style of play which suits ten haag.

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Onana: A ten Haag signing and suit his style. More than De Gea. He is not the same wall as De Gea in his peak, but claiming that De Gea is better is really not the right way to go. Onana was bought in because we wanted to evolve our style to a more proactive way, playing possession football and having 1 possession confortable player to play with. Unfortunately, due to injuries, in front of him we didnt and still not have the required players to receive risky balls and capable of ball retaining under pressure. The connection from defence lisandro is not here, shaw was also absent, no real pressure resistant atheletic and confortable in possession defensive midfield in the team. Hence we are not yet getting the most out of him. He is experiencing a number of high profile on target shots which s not helping his case either, the midfield and defence being completely open without the required players. Granted he is also culpable to a number of mistakes, but so was De Gea.

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Only players who really suit Ten Haag style of play are Lisandro Martinez, Luke Shaw and Rafael Varane. Shaw and Varane mostly spend their time on the treatment table than the team. Lisandro was unfortunately injured. But at least these three has the mentality to play for the team, they have thick skin and they strive to get better and responds to critics whenever directed at them (shaw demonstrated over his career and martinez). They bring that grit (shaw and lisandro) and that serenity in case of varane. But as said they are not always availlable really affecting style of play.
Case of Maguire. Not a Ten Haag style. But a true professional. Got back from no man's land and still shows determination. He is not a 80 million CB but he is a very good one if we play by his strength. Not suitable in a high line because of lack of speed but at leat a rock in defence (and good injury record) when we are getting battered. Incidently, his value goes up and his defending come to fore when man Utd are being dominated by other team. Very good in a defensive minded team, but not strong in a proactive type of football due to lack of speed and high line. Has good character from what we have seen.
AWB and Dalot: Tries hard, but both have their limitations. One in attack and one in defence. Should be working more on their concentration. A least mentality and attitude wise they get by.

Midfield: Ten Haag type players for a ten haag style midfield of aggressive, technical and controlled way of playing are almost non existent. There is no real balance in the midfield. Could be overcomed if at least players cover for each others weakness but that is lacking.
Bruno: Ticks the cases for creativity, stamina, technicality and mentality. Can be petulant some times but thats another issue. The complete opposite of what we would call controlled. Brunos best game comes when he at least has cover when he is going to losse the ball. Or when he plays in a defensive team and counterattacking team. As we want to transition to a more proactive play he should get cover for his lost ball to truly flourish but unfortunately we dont have that in our midfield.
Ericksen: Tempo setter but past his years already. No longer athletic and mobile enough. Was never his position but could play the tempo setter which we surely lack when we want to control games. Knows when to give the ball away, when to make space, when to give the ball to fernandes, and when to open up play. Suspect in the defensive part.
Casemiro: Midfield destroyer, good passing ability. But pass his peak already and his legs are giving up. Cant cover for everyone.
These 3 complemented each other, albeit not in a perfect way, but at least they complemented each other.

Scott mctominay: Not ten haag style at all. Has goals in him, but a great liability if we want a dominant midfield. Averaging 20-25 passes a game is far too little for a midfielder aspiring to play in a team that aims to dominate possession. Completely clueless in defensive positioning and cutting passing lanes, cannot pass, not so good with possession. But very good at late coming into the box and scoring from midfield. A fortune and a misfortune at the same time in this man utd team. We need his goals since we lack control of midfield and we do not play well but on the contrary if we had a better midfielder, we would be playing better and creating more chances and dominating midfield and thus producing more goals. Has his use as a game changing sub but not a starter for a team aspiring to be like the great temas. Has good mentality though.

Mejbri: better than mctominay, very good application, willing runner, good mentality more technical than mctominay. But still lacks the positional awareness running around too much, a fred and mctominay in one player. Runs a lot, but leaves too much space. leaving a porous midfield. If averyone knows how to press collectively, it will not be a problem, but this team is yet to master that. More suited to play fernandes (10) role with less burdon on positioning.

Mainoo: Really a talent which is being groomed into the holding midfield tempo setting midfielder. Has athletism, good positioning for his young age and can read the play well well for his age. Hopefully truly mature into a top athletic defensive midfielder capable of both setting the tempo and defending.

Mason mount and Amrabat: Too little from them. They are not pure defensive midfielders, but were bought to provide bow to box play. But are still suspect defensively and dont produce enough offensively.

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Rashford: Really was a beast pre-shoulder injury where he was trying to really improve and was a team player. Now no longer good. Overrated at most. Has really fallen low. Starting to question his mentality. Not good enough and gives me the impression that he overrates his ability too much. Selfish, poor passing and poor decision making. At 25 no longer a kid. I believe we should sell him if we can. People still looks at his numbers, but is in the same category as mctominay - numbers mask the reality. When there is no numbers, we see the reality. Even when he was scoring, that didint mean he was playing well. Apart form his goals, he has long stopped from contributing to play (as he did pre shoulder injury with his good passing and decision making).
Sancho: Nothing to say about him. Talented player but poor mentality and application
Martial: Talented player but poor mentality and application
These 3 attackers remained a talent. Their mentality and lack of dedication have truly hold them back. This is a character trait, i think its too late for them to overcome at man utd since they already have a sense of entitlement. Unfortunately should be sold.

Garnacho, Rasmus: Young hungry players being let down by their team mates and poor dressing room atmosphere created by certain players. Still young but better give them the opportunity than stick with players who have poor mentality and application to the cause.

Anthony: Gets too much stick by united fans for his overpriced transfer. He has his limitations. But he provides balance on the right side and dedication to the team. Still suspect in certain decision making and should be more direct, but still has chance to improve. In a fully functional team, should become a really good player. At least he runs and defends but still susceptible to certain lack of concentration sometimes. Not yet feel the entitlement as rashford, martial and sancho.

Ten haag has tried to sign players with better mentality by signing those he knows. He should be supported more in the scouting part - he tried his best but he is not right everytime. I understand him going for what he knows but that is limiting man utd because he knows mainly the dutch league and many have not adapted to premier league or yet to adapt to PL. At least mentality wise we can see what kind of players he is looking for.
 

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We had similar reports after the Newcastle LC game as well. We win against Chelsea and Bournemouth, the reports go away. We lose against Bayern and Liverpool, they’re back.

I would be happy to finish 10th and get rid of all these players before sacking the manager. 8 of our starting 11 against Newcastle (Rashford, Martial, Mctominay, Bruno, Wan Bissaka, Dalot, Maguire, Shaw) have all been here for 4 or more years. If we believe that Ten Hag is a good manager, we should back him especially if this toxic dressing room is giving up on another manager. Have a clearout, which is inevitable even if we get a new manager in. But we can’t let overpaid primadonnas call the shots again.

Some big heads need to roll and this time it has to be the players.
People seem to be forgetting this is very different to the Arsenal situation where Arteta was given free reign to purge that squad of Aubameyang,Ozil,Koscielny. Their board actually having football people on it like Edu definitely made a significant difference and we need that to happen too.
 

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Arteta's work at Arsenal is something to compare with a learn-on-the-job type manager, like Ole. Not a seasoned CL standard continental manager.

He finished 8th in both of his first two seasons and won a cup. He improved their points haul in season 2 compared to season 1. Then improved it again in season 3. There was clear progression

ETH has us regressing wildly since February in all possible aspects. All of them. Results, confidence, fitness, distance covered, injuries, scoring goals, creating chances, preventing chances, conceding chances, quality of football, squad cohesion....

I have no time for half of the players in the squad, including at least 3 of ETH's signings, they're all wasters, feckless egos and snakes. But that's no excuse for things to go this shit this quickly.
 

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She gets it

Good thing Ten Hag was given the chance to “to mould a new team together with the scouting department and together with the board” like Rangnick says there. It just so happens that his choices were-

Also, curious that Rangnick said you don’t need two, three or four years for the process.

Lastly, for someone that was successful with Ajax, people act like this guy is a proven manager - made of the same caliber at some of the other guys at the top of the game. His CV certainly doesn’t reflect that.
 

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Have you seen what Arsenal have been doing? They have a style and personality. They’re trying to usurp a state run club for the title and are doing a fine job of it along with a great group stage in Europe. But it took several years and bumps along the way to reach this point. Where would they be if they sacked Arteta in year 2? Nowhere close to a title bid and in the middle of another rebuild.

It’s actually ridiculous what the “sack brigade” will come up with because they’re too weak or blind to see the issues with the club. Ten Hag has had to deal with a shit ton adversity yet he is being blamed for everything. Seems like the supporters are as petulant and spoiled as the players he’s trying to reign in. Ten Hag in, shite sensationalist reporters and fans out.
So they haven’t done anything you mean? Arteta, rightly, should have been sacked and he would have if he didn’t win the FA cup.

Stevie wonder could see that they needed to get rid of Aba, Ozil, and Pepe. One was in Barcelona on ‘holiday’ all transfer window, the other was too busy posting political tweets about turkey and the last couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo.

All he’s done in recent years is spend a feck tonne of money on the wrong players, like we’ve done every summer, and now he’s a hero? You do realise we’d have leapfrogged arsenal considerably if Ten Hag didn’t sign all his mates from the Dutch league?