250m well spent. 100m are still in question. 100m are badly spent.
Martinez is an OK signing (that will need replacing if we are trying to win major trophies anyway), Hojlund is hard to assess yet but definitely not great, Eriksen and Malacia maybe passable for what they are, the rest are bad signings (for different reasons). Ultimately he spent close to half a billion and has made us a worse team.
We've turned £400m of signings into about £200m worth of assets.Exactly, he needs to figure it out, as he seems to slowly lose the players trust and obviously things aren't working well. He can do better, we saw that last season, but it's on him to find a way to make it work again.
Agreed.
By the time the 22/23 season had kicked off, Howe had already been in the job for 7 months and Newcastle had signed Trippier, Guimarães, Pope, Isak and a brand-new CB pairing. Thus far, he hasn't achieved anything more than Solskjaer or ETH in their initial seasons, while making them the kings of time-wasting in the process. He didn't do better in Europe, either.
Standards have dropped because we are a club that is run worse than a 6-year olds lemonade stand. Not a hard concept to grasp. We aren’t entitled to success just because we are Manchester United.
Now you're moving the goalposts and talking about on pitch performances. My point was that if Rashford was in fact the issue and was causing problems or trying to get him sacked, then he'd probably have had the Sancho treatment. He wouldn't be starting (bar the times he's been dropped for actual performances). Same for any of the players. Basically, I don't buy into this idea that one or some of the players are undermining him. I think it would be pretty easy by this point to identify any players that weren't happy and were doing this.
I hate to break it to you but no manager will get fired for “past mistakes” when a new regime and structure comes into the picture. The fact that he spent all that money under the previous useless leadership won’t mean diddly squat to Omar and Jim and the rest of the new guys. What I can guarantee is that they won’t allow ten hag to have that amount of autonomy moving forward. I would also ask yourself, if you had murtough and Richard Arnold above you, would you want them dictating and leading the recruitment of you squad? The answer is hell no. And probably why ten hag wanted control coming into the job. Ultimately, it shouldn’t be his responsibility but that’s how it was and it didn’t really reflect well on him. All moot moving forward anyway.
Instant gratification? 10 years and billions of pounds spent...there's nothing instant about this. Even Ten Hag will have had 2 years and backing at the level most managers could only dream of.
I'm not moving any goalposts. I've been consistent. You said we've been tactically hung out to dry and I said that's not completely true, pointing out there were games where our on pitch performance was a bigger problem than our tactics.
It definitely does.
Yep, it's acceptable if a manager overpays or doesn't find the best solution if he has to decide who to sign, simply because he won't have the time to do the scouting etc as well as someone who can think about all the things necessary to decide on a transfer full time. But still you shouldn't get the feeling that a player doesn't work well in a manager's system.
Hojlund hasn’t lost any value imo. In a world that Chelsea are asking £50m for Broja then Hojlund is still worth the £64m we paid. He had a slow start after a big move and injury playing in a dysfunctional team.
Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....
Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.
He will get the sack because, during his two seasons, the only synergies on the pitch which have actually worked well (Bruno as the sole creator behind two sitting midfielders, and Rashford as the main goalscorer from a LW position with Shaw as support) are the ones he inherited from his predecessor. Any tactical teaks he has tried to implement have failed to provide the team with new or better ones. The other flank, the one he had more freedom to experiment with, currently consists of Dalot/AWB, Antony and McTominay. It's just not good. What he needs from now until May is a miracle. I'd be surprised, if the INEOS team kept him beyond next summer, assuming that their preferred choices are available.
So he signed 6 decent players then. He qualified for the CL with a side with a bottom half side with a half dozen decent additions. Bizarre that you can't give him credit for that.
It's hard to see any club paying £64m for a striker who has scored 2 goals in the league. Perhaps Hojlund will someday come good but he's definitely not worth in the market today what we paid for him six months ago.
They might for someone who has 5 in 6 in the CL though. Yeah, his PL return hasn't been great but it's weird that everyone always talks about his 2 goals when he has an unbelievable record in the CL.
What a load of pie in the sky made up bollocks that is.
Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....
Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.
Of course, i believe he deserves credit and i also find him very likeable. The same goes for Ange. They - the people who are in charge of the football operations at Newcastle - had signed close to a dozen players (Dan Burn from Brighton included) before last season had even begun. He didn't qualify for the CL with the squad that was fighting relegation. He has done a good job, and he has even created new roles for some of the existing players (Joelinton, for example), something that ETH hasn't managed to do yet. But he hasn't yet proved either that he can make them consistent top-four finishers or that he can mount a title charge. Which is the prerequisite for a United manager after a solid first season. As we speak, he has lost 4 consecutive league games (two against relegation fodder), he recorded the highest xGA in the history of the PL at Anfield (worse than our 7-0 defeat), he's -10 points compared to last season after 100 million pounds spent, and he crashed out of Europe. But everybody sings his praises, the players work their arses off without complaints, and Newcastle fans are happier than ever. Can you see the difference? Solskjaer, a legend of this club, hadn't even managed 10 games into his first full season, and when Liverpool visited OT in late October, the press was saying that his head was already under the guillotine. I never said i excuse the manager (look at my answer to the poster who quoted me to say that INEOS will keep ETH). But some of the people who deride others for following the "****" of the manager are the opposite side of the same coin. He's not the god that was promised, so he must be the devil incarnate. The root of all evil at the club. At some point, we need to move away from that line of thinking.
So everything that happened before the takeover means "diddly squat" and this new group of people, who are supposed to take us back to glory days are just going to pretend it never happened and restart from scratch. Yeah, sure. That's how it works. Let's do the same with players too. Maybe Antony is a world beater after all
Did you see his YouTube interview about tactics? That's what ETH is about and we need to stand by him.
Link please
But we need to give him 2 more years under new people above him and forget the 2 previous years happened. Apparently that's how it's done.
People get offended at the use of the word "****" but this is literally used as his defence. "He picked shite players but it shouldn't have been his responsibility, even though he wanted it, so he 's the victim!".
this drives me crazy too. People just pick and choose what to focus on to slam him for.
Whose YouTube video? Are you talking ETH? If its Dutch league highlights or ETH spouting stuff its irrelevant
I like the guy but no club would be paying anywhere close to the £72m we shelled out for him. Be lucky to get £40m back at the moment.
Is scoring braces against Copenhagen and Galatasary that unbelievable?
A bottom half side? Come on
Hojlund scored 2 goals in the league by January but he's great alright.
"Might" as in who? I like Hojlund, but he's not a player who would in any way command a fee of 64m from clubs who can afford to pay that much. There are maybe 10 clubs on the planet who can even consider a transfer fee of 64m for any footballer. They are, in no particular order, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Bayern. I seriously doubt AC Milan and Juventus but let's include them. And of course United. I can't see any of those clubs taking a hard look at Hojlund and being willing to write a check for 64m for him.
You understand that managers don’t bid for players , right? ETH isn’t like Barry Fry phoning up clubs and haggling for players.
Martinez is probably worth close to what we paid for him. But the rest....
Hojlund has halved in value (because we paid 2x what he was worth). We'd struggle to get 10% back what we paid for Antony. Onana and Mount have easily halved in value after their horrific starts, for different reasons. Casemiro is a spent force and we'll struggle to even get £20m from Saudi. Also £10m totally wasted on Amrabat's loan fee.
Corporately in the hierarchy that's seldom the case, new regimes at higher levels often are implemented with stakeholders being moved around to accommodate new leadership. That's what's currently being witnessed at United, the changes are significantly higher than mid-seniority which for many organizations doesn't see drastic movement. It's essentially a new minority owner, board of directors, CEO, director of football, head of recruitment. That's disruption on almost every operational capacity.
Such a low bar for being called 'great'.
Let's ignore his 5 goals in CL, because it suits our agenda! Beautiful.
Because funnily enough, he has been the most injured CB since he joined us. His performances also fell off a cliff compared to his first 6 months. Now I wouldn't sell him but there is a case to move from that kind of player quickly when they still have a high reputation.
