Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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Fair enough on the supports bit.
However, you're talking about a manager who's won the most trophies of any manager in history so it's immediately ridiculous based on that alone. He's also renowned for his motivational abilities. The level of performance he was consistently able to get out of some of his players was pretty special.
Then you've you used Pep as a counter-example, with the embarrassment of riches he's been given in terms of players at every club he's been employed by. And you've said that he's dominated Europe. As I said earlier he's under-performed in Europe, if anything.
If you're saying that Fergie should have won more that's probably worthy of discussion. A few have replied to on some of the reasons for that and he rarely had the best squad/team in Europe.
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Ancelotti's achievements definitely don't pale in comparison to SAF. His 4 CLs alone are something I am sure SAF would love to have won. And Ancelotti is the only manager in history to win the league in five "big leagues" (England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain). It's a unique achievement, just like SAF's work was unique. And it's perfectly fine to rate SAF above Ancelotti (I do just like you), but it still should be acknowledged that he also did amazing work.
Lay off the drugs
What the feck is this? Ferguson won a European Cup Winners Cup with fecking Aberdeen! Gerrard and Ferguson could have left anytime they liked and went to any club in the world (like any club!) and their choice was to stay and get the rewards for their hard work. Not many managers won more than 2 champions leagues. And certainly they werent still going at 70 winning leagues. If Ferguson isnt a world class manager, nobody is.
Everyones entitled to their opinion, but some just abuse the privilege.
Yeah to be fair I was probably laying it on a bit thick there. I wasn't trying to run down Ancelotti's achievements.
@Dumbstar 
I know your on the WUM but this gets worse every time.
Sir Alex wasn’t world class in your eyes yet he’s literally won every honour possible multiple times and has also been personally named;
- IFFHS Worlds best club coach (twice).
- IFFHS Worlds best coach of the 21st Century.
- IFFHS All time worlds best coach (1996-2020).
- World soccer greatest coach of all time.
- ESPN greatest manager of all time.
- Sports Illustrated greatest manager of all time.
I’ve not mentioned all the European level awards but there’s a tonne of them too.
If that’s not world class then I’m not sure what is. (Hint; the secret is in the name of the awards he has won)
I know your on the WUM but this gets worse every time.
Sir Alex wasn’t world class in your eyes yet he’s literally won every honour possible multiple times and has also been personally named;
- IFFHS Worlds best club coach (twice).
- IFFHS Worlds best coach of the 21st Century.
- IFFHS All time worlds best coach (1996-2020).
- World soccer greatest coach of all time.
- ESPN greatest manager of all time.
- Sports Illustrated greatest manager of all time.
I’ve not mentioned all the European level awards but there’s a tonne of them too.
If that’s not world class then I’m not sure what is. (Hint; the secret is in the name of the awards he has won)
Pep has great skills in keeping his conscience on a knife edge. Justice for Catalonia. He’s also an excellent football manager. He managed Abu Dhabi’s shadow team very well; they had great backroom backing. Klopp is more likeable, and equally more annoying. Heavy metal football, Gegenpress, etc. A massive influence (both of them, to be fair) on English football.
It’s daft to make comparisons. But at least the Dippers are an actual football team. Imagine if United had been decent during the oil doping phase. Man would we be pissed at Pep and his crew of flexi-conscience mercenaries.
It’s daft to make comparisons. But at least the Dippers are an actual football team. Imagine if United had been decent during the oil doping phase. Man would we be pissed at Pep and his crew of flexi-conscience mercenaries.
But, but... Stevie G or something.@Dumbstar
I know your on the WUM but this gets worse every time.
Sir Alex wasn’t world class in your eyes yet he’s literally won every honour possible multiple times and has also been personally named;
- IFFHS Worlds best club coach (twice).
- IFFHS Worlds best coach of the 21st Century.
- IFFHS All time worlds best coach (1996-2020).
- World soccer greatest coach of all time.
- ESPN greatest manager of all time.
- Sports Illustrated greatest manager of all time.
I’ve not mentioned all the European level awards but there’s a tonne of them too.
If that’s not world class then I’m not sure what is. (Hint; the secret is in the name of the awards he has won)
Wasn't Fergie hamstrung in Europe for many years by the domestic players rule? I seem to remember it being a real hassle. If that's true, he should be judged more on domestic success where he undoubtedly excelled.
Some of these posts are ban worthy, that's how bad they are.
It's the Bosman Ruling that stopped this which was at the end of 1995 so yeah, Fergie was hamstrung by it by approx. 9 years.
What the feck have I walked into here? 
Sir Alex not world class? I know the scouse aren’t known for their great takes on football but this is a whole other level of bitterness and delusion. That said he’s now basically admitting Klopp and none of that title winning squad are world class either, or any Liverpool player in the Premier league era.
Sir Alex not world class? I know the scouse aren’t known for their great takes on football but this is a whole other level of bitterness and delusion. That said he’s now basically admitting Klopp and none of that title winning squad are world class either, or any Liverpool player in the Premier league era.
Equating the honours of Stevie G to Ferguson's as a reason for the latter not being world class is an interesting form of trolling.
Again, how that specific poster escaped the cull a few years ago is baffling. Must have dirt on the admins. He brings nothing to the forum and just decides to troll from time to time.
To be fair lots of people on here are so easy to trigger that I sometimes really struggle to not troll them as well. I get him in that regard
The financial advantage you mention didnt really exist since while we were a rich club we were outspent by other clubs in most of Sir Alex's seasons, in fact I think we were only 3 of Sir Alex's 13 Championship winning seasons.
Not sure how you claim Pep has dominated European Compitition when he has never actually dominated European Competition.
It's a weird mindset you share, then. What's the point coming onto an oppo forum to troll people?To be fair lots of people on here are so easy to trigger that I sometimes really struggle to not troll them as well. I get him in that regard
I remember Sir Alex being the 7th best paid manager in the league at one stage or wanting really as stupid. We also had our captain almost leave because of our stingy wage structure.
We never had a big financial advantage. No big club really did back then, it was all much of muchness
Sometimes just curiosity how bad or over the top some takes will get if you nudge people a bit
Is there something wrong with the servers and the Rawk thread was accidently merged in here
BDL trolls confirmed
I'm just glad I got him to admit that Gerrard isn't world class.
What the feck happened to the cull here?
What RIP said .
Reading some of the articles today and the scousers are convinced Alonso is just going to walk in. It would be epic if he turned them down to wait and take the Madrid job that's coming up after next season.
There’s the Bayern job which could be opening up soon.
Why would Alonso go there when they cant offer him anything his current club cant offer him? He'll have a better chance of winning the Champions League if he stays where he is as well plus the fact Michael Edwards refused to return to Liverpool tells you what a mess they are behind the scenes.
Why would he go to toxic Bayern if he could go to Real or Liverpool?
It could really be a poison pill taking that Liverpool job. The likes of VVD and Salah are clearly on the decline now, whilst the rest of their squad just seems so uninspiring. They've lost their DoF who was credit for doing some great things, and his replacement is also on his way out. And Alonso is just not Klopp, he is coming after one of their greatest managers ever. The bar is so incredibly high and it wouldnt be unprecedented that in a situation like this, the next manager struggles.
Whether he goes to Bayern to try and push for a Champions League, or waits two years for when Madrid plus City (depending on their charges) jobs open up, there is just better and safer options for him.
When did Utd get to ‘cherry-pick’ the best domestic talents? I don’t recall Shearer and Gazza signing for us, despite Fergie’s persistent attempts at getting them. We were competitive at getting the top players from clubs a rung below European places, which is another conversation altogether. Our net spend and wage bill were about 3rd or 4th before 2004.
Nice of Klopp to tap up Xabi Alonso today in his interview
‘Tell me you know feck all about football other than what you’ve been force fed. . .’
6:16 onwards. . .
All that financial advantage & we didn’t really use it much.
All they ever pointed to was the signings in (relative) quick succession of Rio, RvN, Veron and Rooney, ignoring the fact that there was a decade of success behind those signings and we partly funded it with sales of players like Stam, Butt, Phil Nev. Fergie couldn’t get Batistuta or the OG Ronaldo due to our constraints with the PLC board following Cantona’s retirement as well, all documented facts.
We did get lucky that we got a crop of homegrown players as good as the class of 92 coming out at the same time (although there’s sth like 3 years between Giggs and Beckham introduction to the first team), but then again it took guts to do that and if you then reap the financial benefits, it’s to be applauded. Makes me wonder if Brighton start winning if the same criticisms would be applied to them, or it’s exclusive to Utd.
The logical conclusion is there’s a generation of football fans irreversibly traumatised by Fergie’s Utd successes and they will grasp at any excuse to cope with that rather than accord him his dues. Howard Webb, FA in his pocket, money etc… You know, the classics.
Liverpool spent more on transfer fees, both net and gross, than Man Utd during the entire span of Fergie's time in charge.
Now I know that wage bills are a bigger indicator of success than transfer fees, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that Man Utd's wage bill / turnover ratio would have been lower than Liverpool's as well.
Also for a good portion of Fergie's reign, including during the treble winning season and around the turn of the millenium, I'd imagine Man Utd's wage bill was comfortably lower than that of the big guns in Serie A (not just Juve and Inter but the likes of Lazio as well) and Real and Barca in La Liga, and it wouldn't have surprised me if Bayern's was higher as well. I remember seeing the list of the highest earners during the 1999/2000 season across the major European leagues, and there were very few Man Utd players named it in (Beckham, Keane and Giggs and no-one else).
Now I know that wage bills are a bigger indicator of success than transfer fees, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that Man Utd's wage bill / turnover ratio would have been lower than Liverpool's as well.
Also for a good portion of Fergie's reign, including during the treble winning season and around the turn of the millenium, I'd imagine Man Utd's wage bill was comfortably lower than that of the big guns in Serie A (not just Juve and Inter but the likes of Lazio as well) and Real and Barca in La Liga, and it wouldn't have surprised me if Bayern's was higher as well. I remember seeing the list of the highest earners during the 1999/2000 season across the major European leagues, and there were very few Man Utd players named it in (Beckham, Keane and Giggs and no-one else).
@Dumbstar
I know your on the WUM but this gets worse every time.
Sir Alex wasn’t world class in your eyes yet he’s literally won every honour possible multiple times and has also been personally named;
- IFFHS Worlds best club coach (twice).
- IFFHS Worlds best coach of the 21st Century.
- IFFHS All time worlds best coach (1996-2020).
- World soccer greatest coach of all time.
- ESPN greatest manager of all time.
- Sports Illustrated greatest manager of all time.
I’ve not mentioned all the European level awards but there’s a tonne of them too.
If that’s not world class then I’m not sure what is. (Hint; the secret is in the name of the awards he has won)
Once taught Rooney how to reach Level 24 on Tetris just using his left hand is a better managerial brag than American sports media awards.