noelyman
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115 x 6 = 690
Even at 100 points per league, that's relegation from the 7th tier... right?115 x 6 = 690
Can see a club considering legal action if means difference between staying up and relegation. Not sure on rules (do not they all sign up to them beforehand)?Surely there has to be a better system for this that just whacking on points deductions mid-season and then changing it later?
Shifting the goalposts like that just doesn't seem fair, either on Everton or the other teams in the relegation picture.
I'm convinced this recent push by the PL to look hard for the cameras is simply trying to avoid the independent regulator being imposed on them.
Because why are you imposing punishments on sides who have pled guilty, only for those punishments to be easily alleviated upon appeal? What does that say about the rigor of the PL's case and punishment?
And what faith does this give you about their ongoing case against City, who are actually fighting it?
We continue to observe.
Still not safe yet.
Well the decision and appeal decisions were made by an independent commission, not the PL. I'm interested to see what the supposed "legal errors" are that were made in the first decision.
Understood. If Everton are getting (deserved) penalty reductions upon appeal, what does that say about the PL's process for determining penalties? Or competency in these matters period?
What does the FA have anything to do with it?I’m quite surprised.
What a shambles though by the FA. Taking away their points only to give them back.
Not very competent at all. I don't really think any deductions or reimbursements should happen during a season unless it is a cut and dry case like administration.
I think, the PL have pooped their pants due to a possible independent regulator coming in and thus have tried to muster a hatchet job of a solution.
We're back in the relegation zoneThat won’t help @Dirty Schwein ?
What does the FA have anything to do with it?
Yous are definitely safeDid think we would get some back. Still not safe yet.
Everton are incredibly lucky that they have been deducted six points this season rather than last.
They know full well they're not going to do a fecking thing about City's cheating so they've decided to let Everton off the hook a bit so they don't look as corrupt. Won't be surprised if the points deduction is just scrapped altogether eventually.
Don't really know that.
That's why point deductions mid season are weird because they can galvanise or psychologically damage teams.
Didn't Everton admit to it? I don't understand why this happened.
I wish they reduced the 30 points they hit us with and sent us to non-league. What a joke.
Didn't Everton admit to it? I don't understand why this happened.
I wish they reduced the 30 points they hit us with and sent us to non-league. What a joke.
I'd be absolutely shocked if one of them stays upProbably means Luton will go down with Sheffield United & Burnley now.
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous how they’ve done it as @Alex99 has said.
I bet clubs have already alerted their legal teams..
Complete and utter farce
Waiting until the end of the season has it's own problems though. For starters, waiting to do the actual court proceeding (or whatever it is) means the whole summer could be taken up, at which point you're either potentially leaving two teams in limbo not knowing which has been relegated, or relegating one while Everton's punishment gets tacked on to the next season (which many may deem as highly unfair). Even if you reach the verdict mid-season but wait until the end to announce it/the punishment, that's still looming over the club until the announcement, and that still leaves an appeal window.
Using this season as an example, say they announced that Everton have fallen foul of this rule mid-season, but the punishment is to be announced after the last game has been played. Everton finish 9 points of, for example, Luton, who get relegated in 18th. The Premier League then announce that Everton receive a 10 point deduction as a punishment and are relegated in Luton's place. However, in this instance Everton now don't have the same appeal window, because the time between verdict and appeal decision would have taken you into next season, and Everton are relegated, or it's back to the above where both teams are in limbo while they try and rush through the review of the appeal.
I know our resident Toffee has been fairly confident of the punishment being reduced, but from the outside it just seems a bit daft.
The Premier League came up with some method to calculate the punishment and arrived at 10 points, then the review committee independently arrived at the same figure using a different method.
It does basically seems like Everton have kicked up a stink and got their own way, which has now set a precedent for any future punishment as handed out by these committees.
I know our resident Toffee has been fairly confident of the punishment being reduced, but from the outside it just seems a bit daft.
The Premier League came up with some method to calculate the punishment and arrived at 10 points, then the review committee independently arrived at the same figure using a different method.
It does basically seems like Everton have kicked up a stink and got their own way, which has now set a precedent for any future punishment as handed out by these committees.
Hopefully our boys can use this "cheating and getting away with it" as motivation and take advantage of the decent run in we have upcoming. We still need to play Everton and Forrest so hoping they'll be well up for that.Probably means Luton will go down with Sheffield United & Burnley now.
It should be done in the summer prior to the season beginning.
It also seems ridiculous that you’d actually deduct the points before establishing if that was the end of the matter.
If there’s an appeals process with any chance of adjusting the outcome surely you let that happen before acting.
You've dropped some silly points against teams in and around you I think? Losing to Sheffield United & Burnley? Definitely hurt you a bit.Hopefully our boys can use this "cheating and getting away with it" as motivation and take advantage of the decent run in we have upcoming. We still need to play Everton and Forrest so hoping they'll be well up for that.
Hopefully our boys can use this "cheating and getting away with it" as motivation and take advantage of the decent run in we have upcoming. We still need to play Everton and Forrest so hoping they'll be well up for that.
A Premier League statement read: "Everton FC appealed the sanction imposed against it on nine grounds, each of which related to the sanction rather than the fact of the breach."
"A three-person appeal board concluded that the independent commission which imposed the 10-point penalty "made legal errors" on two grounds.
It said the commission was "wrong" to punish Everton for being "less than frank" over what it told the Premier League about its new stadium debt.
The appeal board also said the commission was "wrong not to take into account available benchmarks" and that a six-point sanction was "broadly in line" with English Football League (EFL) guidelines, with Sheffield Wednesday's six-point deduction in 2020 when their losses were rising used as a guide.
Everton said the appeal board's decision to overturn the commission's finding that they failed to act in good faith was "an incredibly important point of principle".
What should? The whole thing? Just the announcement of the punishment?
As I said, there are issues doing it in a summer too. Chiefly, it presenting a clear argument for any points deduction being applied to the season that's just finished and potentially leaving two clubs in limbo about which league they’ll be playing in until a decision can be made.