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Surely there has to be a better system for this that just whacking on points deductions mid-season and then changing it later?Tweet
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I thought they were always gonna get a reduction, given that clubs almost always do in these situations. Though it will look pretty shambolic when they hit them with another ten point deduction for the second charge and the appeal for that carries over to next season..I’m quite surprised.
What a shambles though by the FA. Taking away their points only to give them back.
yeah. and with united unlikely to get another point for the rest of the season, it could mean that they’re dragged into it.Surely there has to be a better system for this that just whacking on points deductions mid-season and then changing it later?
Shifting the goalposts like that just doesn't seem fair, either on Everton or the other teams in the relegation picture.
I'm convinced this recent push by the PL to look hard for the cameras is simply trying to avoid the independent regulator being imposed on them.Tweet
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Even at 100 points per league, that's relegation from the 7th tier... right?115 x 6 = 690
Can see a club considering legal action if means difference between staying up and relegation. Not sure on rules (do not they all sign up to them beforehand)?Surely there has to be a better system for this that just whacking on points deductions mid-season and then changing it later?
Shifting the goalposts like that just doesn't seem fair, either on Everton or the other teams in the relegation picture.
Well the decision and appeal decisions were made by an independent commission, not the PL. I'm interested to see what the supposed "legal errors" are that were made in the first decision.I'm convinced this recent push by the PL to look hard for the cameras is simply trying to avoid the independent regulator being imposed on them.
Because why are you imposing punishments on sides who have pled guilty, only for those punishments to be easily alleviated upon appeal? What does that say about the rigor of the PL's case and punishment?
And what faith does this give you about their ongoing case against City, who are actually fighting it?
We continue to observe.
I think we are. Nottingham Forest's breaches were much worse than ours, so I think we can assume at least a 6 point deduction for them too in April. If there's any logic or consistency, it'd have to be more than 6.Still not safe yet.
Understood. If Everton are getting (deserved) penalty reductions upon appeal, what does that say about the PL's process for determining penalties? Or competency in these matters period?Well the decision and appeal decisions were made by an independent commission, not the PL. I'm interested to see what the supposed "legal errors" are that were made in the first decision.
Not very competent at all. I don't really think any deductions or reimbursements should happen during a season unless it is a cut and dry case like administration.Understood. If Everton are getting (deserved) penalty reductions upon appeal, what does that say about the PL's process for determining penalties? Or competency in these matters period?
What does the FA have anything to do with it?I’m quite surprised.
What a shambles though by the FA. Taking away their points only to give them back.
Absolutely.Not very competent at all. I don't really think any deductions or reimbursements should happen during a season unless it is a cut and dry case like administration.
I think, the PL have pooped their pants due to a possible independent regulator coming in and thus have tried to muster a hatchet job of a solution.
We're back in the relegation zoneThat won’t help @Dirty Schwein ?
They are just a Football AssociationWhat does the FA have anything to do with it?
Yous are definitely safeDid think we would get some back. Still not safe yet.
Don't really know that.Everton are incredibly lucky that they have been deducted six points this season rather than last.
The easier explanation is they don't know what the feck they're doingThey know full well they're not going to do a fecking thing about City's cheating so they've decided to let Everton off the hook a bit so they don't look as corrupt. Won't be surprised if the points deduction is just scrapped altogether eventually.
Waiting until the end of the season has it's own problems though. For starters, waiting to do the actual court proceeding (or whatever it is) means the whole summer could be taken up, at which point you're either potentially leaving two teams in limbo not knowing which has been relegated, or relegating one while Everton's punishment gets tacked on to the next season (which many may deem as highly unfair). Even if you reach the verdict mid-season but wait until the end to announce it/the punishment, that's still looming over the club until the announcement, and that still leaves an appeal window.Don't really know that.
That's why point deductions mid season are weird because they can galvanise or psychologically damage teams.
@SilentWitness will know the full details but it was something like Everton admitting the charge and the Premier League recommending a punishment of 10 points. The independent review then rejected whatever methodology they'd used to reach that 10 points figure, but then agreed on the 10 points figure anyway. Everton appealed the 10 points, and now someone has agreed it was too harsh, despite both the Premier League and the independent review seemingly landing at the figure separately, and now it's 6 points.Didn't Everton admit to it? I don't understand why this happened.
I wish they reduced the 30 points they hit us with and sent us to non-league. What a joke.
Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous how they’ve done it as @Alex99 has said.Didn't Everton admit to it? I don't understand why this happened.
I wish they reduced the 30 points they hit us with and sent us to non-league. What a joke.
I'd be absolutely shocked if one of them stays upProbably means Luton will go down with Sheffield United & Burnley now.
I know our resident Toffee has been fairly confident of the punishment being reduced, but from the outside it just seems a bit daft.Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous how they’ve done it as @Alex99 has said.
I bet clubs have already alerted their legal teams..
Complete and utter farce
It should be done in the summer prior to the season beginning.Waiting until the end of the season has it's own problems though. For starters, waiting to do the actual court proceeding (or whatever it is) means the whole summer could be taken up, at which point you're either potentially leaving two teams in limbo not knowing which has been relegated, or relegating one while Everton's punishment gets tacked on to the next season (which many may deem as highly unfair). Even if you reach the verdict mid-season but wait until the end to announce it/the punishment, that's still looming over the club until the announcement, and that still leaves an appeal window.
Using this season as an example, say they announced that Everton have fallen foul of this rule mid-season, but the punishment is to be announced after the last game has been played. Everton finish 9 points of, for example, Luton, who get relegated in 18th. The Premier League then announce that Everton receive a 10 point deduction as a punishment and are relegated in Luton's place. However, in this instance Everton now don't have the same appeal window, because the time between verdict and appeal decision would have taken you into next season, and Everton are relegated, or it's back to the above where both teams are in limbo while they try and rush through the review of the appeal.
It also seems ridiculous that you’d actually deduct the points before establishing if that was the end of the matter.I know our resident Toffee has been fairly confident of the punishment being reduced, but from the outside it just seems a bit daft.
The Premier League came up with some method to calculate the punishment and arrived at 10 points, then the review committee independently arrived at the same figure using a different method.
It does basically seems like Everton have kicked up a stink and got their own way, which has now set a precedent for any future punishment as handed out by these committees.
I was confident purely because of the way it's been set out by the original decision and reasons given. Not sure if you've read the article I posted a few weeks ago but it's definitely worth a read and basically sets out why 10 points was harsh and why we had grounds to appeal the original decision in a far more eloquent and sensible way than I can.I know our resident Toffee has been fairly confident of the punishment being reduced, but from the outside it just seems a bit daft.
The Premier League came up with some method to calculate the punishment and arrived at 10 points, then the review committee independently arrived at the same figure using a different method.
It does basically seems like Everton have kicked up a stink and got their own way, which has now set a precedent for any future punishment as handed out by these committees.