Hopefully our boys can use this "cheating and getting away with it" as motivation and take advantage of the decent run in we have upcoming. We still need to play Everton and Forrest so hoping they'll be well up for that.
Everton deducted 10 points for PSR breach (reduced to 6) | Deducted further 2 points for second breach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
What should? The whole thing? Just the announcement of the punishment?
As I said, there are issues doing it in a summer too. Chiefly, it presenting a clear argument for any points deduction being applied to the season that's just finished and potentially leaving two clubs in limbo about which league they’ll be playing in until a decision can be made.
Suppose the issue here was them appealing the severity of the punishment, and not the verdict itself.
Unless you're saying they should have privately been told of the punishment, then given the opportunity to either accept or appeal.
You've dropped some silly points against teams in and around you I think? Losing to Sheffield United & Burnley? Definitely hurt you a bit.
It's not really cheating and getting away with it, we have still been punished.
I think this is fair considering everything.
I'm interested to see what happens to Forest though as apparently their breach is more.
I think the fairest way to do it is to do it in the summer prior or post a season starting/ending so a team has those deductions already in place if that's going to be the case or they get them. It removes psychological stuff and makes it more so about football and what happens on the pitch. There is no easy or fair way to do it really so it's about trying to make it the fairest way.
City will end up with a points addition
Yeah I think they should have been told then asked if they wished to appeal.
The whole thing could have been suspended pending the outcome.
Taking points away then adding them back is bizarre to me.
I'd argue that you only think this is the fairest way because it's the one with the least (obviously) negative impact on Everton.
Say this was done and dusted pre-season, Leicester fans certainly aren't going to look at your points deduction being applied to this season as the fairest way of handling it.
They'd (quite rightly, in my view), question why they're being relegated when the team that finished directly above them has just been found to have 'cheated' to do so.
This reminds me of the time Spurs got deduced 12 points some time in the mid 90s. It was then reduced to 6 points and then to zero I think.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/199...r financial irregularities,the 1994-95 FA Cup
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/199...r financial irregularities,the 1994-95 FA Cup
I think with anyone it's fair as the psychology of the decision is confusing mid season for both the team that the decision is applied to and others around them. The dynamic of the relegation battle has changed twice now from the start of the season and it's going to change at least once more due to this stuff.
6 points deduction doesn't seem like much of a deterrent considering the money available for being in the EPL.
You mean the parachute payments?
If Everton didn't have points deductions or shite players they'd be ahead of us, that's how shite we are.
Farce. Embarrassing for the FA.
I forgot about that.
What I mean is that I don't think 6 points deduction would put most teams off overspending.
Does the deduction scale up with the overspending?
This
The FA has nothing to do with this
Embarrassing for ten hag
It's Six Hag now, reduced upon appeal
It's not really clear unfortunately but I think the gist of it would suggest yes. This appeal process has confused those matters by suggesting that punishment shouldn't be more than what administrated clubs get (9 points) so who knows.
I'd argue that the psychology of the decision is less important than a decision being made and implemented in good time.
It doesn't even follow in this case either, given Everton's appeal would have happened mid-season, thus affecting the psychology of the teams at the bottom.
Ultimately, teams set out to get as many points as they can. It's their fault if they were banking on another team being deducted x number of points to stay up.
Yeah true, seems as if the pressure gets to us when we're not the underdogs.
There is still another charge pending against you so your season is still up in the air.
Forest could be in deep trouble though.
It's not fair on Everton though to have two charges for two different years affecting a different season. Second charge should really affect next season but because they changed the rules it's affecting this season. If I was Everton I would argue this, unless they were one of the clubs that voted yes on the change.
Bournemouth Palace Forest in next four. Decent run in too.We're back in the relegation zone
Mission Impossible is go.
Round it to the nearest 1,000115 x 6 = 690
We can but dream
what do i tell my 5 year old son? he’s just heard the news from alexa. he’s run up to me in tears, saying “is it true, daddy? tell me it’s not true? it’s not just this season in jeopardy, it’s the very foundations of football itself. this… this… “team” can just spend with gay abandon, with wanton neglect for their peers. they can mortgage their future on a quick fix here, an up-and-coming brazilian there, and then get what’s tantamount to a slap on the wrist. i’m already struggling with my place in this end of day capitalist society, and now you’re telling me that football, purest football, is dying because of this ever.. team. i can’t even bring myself to say their name. make it make sense.”
The points deduction should happen in the relevant year in my mind so this current deduction should have taken place last year. I’m not saying this because I support Leicester because in all honesty we were a train wreck and deserved what we got.
Only 6 points? Jeez if that's all i don't blame teams for breaking rules if that's all the punishment you're gonna get
Tell him you use a capital letter to start a sentence.
Everton admitted the breach. And the panel said 6 points was a fair penalty based on the rules in the EFL.
The original panel added 4 points for claiming Everton acted 'dishonestly and tried to mislead the PL'.
The new panel agreed that legally the original panel got that wrong and agreed Everton didn't do that. Hence the reduction.
Interestingly the EFL does have a double jeopardy rule so I'm sure Everton will now lean on the above to argue they can't be done again for the same breach
Pretty sure the QC who got them off was presented on the stage of my secondary school at some return a year after leaving to pick up some certificate evening.
No idea why on earth he was there but I think I remember some light hearted boos.
Give that kid back to his actual parents. Kidnapping is a crime rimmy
Forest deducted 4 points, poor Nuno has his work cutout now
https://talksport.com/football/1793...m=push&utm_campaign=2024-03-18-Breaking-news-
https://talksport.com/football/1793...m=push&utm_campaign=2024-03-18-Breaking-news-
Is it true that their defence was holding out on selling Johnson so they could get more money
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/forest-docked-4-points-for-ffp-breaches.481908/
Thread here for Forest deductions.
Thread here for Forest deductions.