cyberman
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Were the club not aware of the rules in June?I did warn you about this.
The PL are after you and Everton.
Were the club not aware of the rules in June?I did warn you about this.
The PL are after you and Everton.
You make it sound that the investigation started when we read the news in the papers that they were charged.How do you quickly deal with over 100 charges that the club deny, opposed to two which the club confirm and accept?
We were, we were in contact with the FA throughout explaining the situation and what we were doing and why.Were the club not aware of the rules in June?
So what's happens if after they rejected the 30m, no other bid was forthcoming? They'd be -30m? Took a gamble.So in order to comply with “Profit and Sustainability“ rules we should have accepted a £30M bid in June for Johnson and not the £47m we got in August!! Irony just doesn’t cover it.
So you ignored them then? Honestly, what are you trying to say here?We were, we were in contact with the FA throughout explaining the situation and what we were doing and why.
Sounds like they danced with the devilSo what's happens if after they rejected the 30m, no other bid was forthcoming? They'd be -30m? Took a gamble.
Not being a prick, actually curious.
We were apparently in contact with Spurs already so not a gambleSo what's happens if after they rejected the 30m, no other bid was forthcoming? They'd be -30m? Took a gamble.
Not being a prick, actually curious.
Sorry that statement makes no sense - Ignoring whom?So you ignored them then? Honestly, what are you trying to say here?
A bit of a strange postA 10 point deduction would relegate Forest which would be really unfair on Nuno Espirito Santo considering he has done nothing wrong.
Was that the one and only deal Forest made?So in order to comply with “Profit and Sustainability“ rules we should have accepted a £30M bid in June for Johnson and not the £47m we got in August!! Irony just doesn’t cover it.
City’s shit is so wide reaching that it’ll take years to untangle.I know that 100+ charges is not the same as one or two and that it takes time but it is still "funny". Two clubs will maybe get relegated for few charges while City winning trebles.
Seems like you’re starting to understand judicial process. You have to gather evidence to prove they did what you said they did. Would you rather them just rush it and totally feck it up? You know they only get one shot at charging them for these things right? They can’t do it again later when they’ve got their shit together better.It’s been a year, not like they charged them a week ago, that’s after a 4 year investigation.
Right now imagine you charge someone for doing something wrong and they say no. Now you have to prove they did something wrong, so you ask them to provide the documents you need to prove they did something wrong. They also say no. Now you have to go to court and get them to release said documents. Now imagine that 100+ times and you’ll start to understand why this process will take time.You make it sound that the investigation started when we read the news in the papers that they were charged.
You turned down a lower bid (ended up being a lower bid) for a higher one that came after the deadline even though you knew you’d be punished by waiting?Sorry that statement makes no sense - Ignoring whom?
Will make the disgracing all the sweeter. Imagine winning a treble and then being told it’s null and void? Heartbreaking.I know that 100+ charges is not the same as one or two and that it takes time but it is still "funny". Two clubs will maybe get relegated for few charges while City winning trebles.
That is the worst thing in all this shit. They will get a ban, probably get demoted in lower division BUT trophies will stay in their hands.Will make the disgracing all the sweeter. Imagine winning a treble and then being told it’s null and void? Heartbreaking.
The sale of Johnson brought us in compliance so the previous deals are irrelevent.Was that the one and only deal Forest made?
I’ve heard this reasoning a lot today, but is it not the half a dozen deals Forest did prior to the sale of Johnson that caused the problem in the first place.
We were Communicating with the FA throughout the window about the Johnson sale. Presumably at no point in that conversation did the FA say sorry we will do you if you proceed with that plan so how is that a balls up?You turned down a lower bid (ended up being a lower bid) for a higher one that came after the deadline even though you knew you’d be punished by waiting?
Thats a balls up from the club isn’t it?
Null to rival fans yes.Will make the disgracing all the sweeter. Imagine winning a treble and then being told it’s null and void? Heartbreaking.
I think they're doing up to 2018 but they want the recent docs also which City won't share with them, which is why part of the charges are due to an unwillingness to cooperate. Safe to say, they'll do the lot once they get their hands on everything. I doubt the under the table payments just stopped one summer in 2022.Null to rival fans yes.
But they're only investigating the period at the start of City's run aren't they? Not the last few years.
The Premier League already have the evidence that they believe prooves City committed the offences thats why they were charged, its now up to City to proove their innocence by producing evidence in their defence.Right now imagine you charge someone for doing something wrong and they say no. Now you have to prove they did something wrong, so you ask them to provide the documents you need to prove they did something wrong. They also say no. Now you have to go to court and get them to release said documents. Now imagine that 100+ times and you’ll start to understand why this process will take time.
Not only that, you think they can rock up to court with some jumped up charges on the back of a fag packet? City’s lawyers will destroy them, but if that’s what you want then feck it, let’s just rush it and have it over and done with.
Now imagine you charge Everton and they say, yeah we did that, and here the proof we did that, we want to comply. Okay, here’s your punishment for breaking the rules.
Quick that wasn’t it?
That is not how things usually work. You charge someone if and when you have evidence to back that. And then it is up to them to bring evidence that they are not guilty.Right now imagine you charge someone for doing something wrong and they say no. Now you have to prove they did something wrong, so you ask them to provide the documents you need to prove they did something wrong. They also say no. Now you have to go to court and get them to release said documents. Now imagine that 100+ times and you’ll start to understand why this process will take time.
Not only that, you think they can rock up to court with some jumped up charges on the back of a fag packet? City’s lawyers will destroy them, but if that’s what you want then feck it, let’s just rush it and have it over and done with.
Now imagine you charge Everton and they say, yeah we did that, and here the proof we did that, we want to comply. Okay, here’s your punishment for breaking the rules.
Quick that wasn’t it?
It was outside of the required time frame right?The sale of Johnson brought us in compliance so the previous deals are irrelevent.
You mean "Mr.Let me stop in mid sentence to emphasize everything i am saying" is full of shite?Wait a minute, are you trying to say Kaveh whathischops isn't the definitive voice on all happenings in the modern football landscape? That he might just be talking shite and making half of this stuff up?!
God forbid.
Why?A bit of a strange post
My thoughts exactly. Spurs may have paid 17 million more (or whatever it was) in the end in September after the deadline had passed but they could have at any point decided to bugger off and buy someone else and Forest remain over the limits.So what's happens if after they rejected the 30m, no other bid was forthcoming? They'd be -30m? Took a gamble.
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Oh don't get me started on journalist voice! Ornsteins meandering nonsense in particular brings me out in hives.You mean "Mr.Let me stop in mid sentence to emphasize everything i am saying" is full of shite?
I for one, am shocked sir!
They could probably dock Man C 50 points and they still wouldn't be relegated.That is the worst thing in all this shit. They will get a ban, probably get demoted in lower division BUT trophies will stay in their hands.
At the end we will have a thread here; "5 years in lower leagues vs 20 trophies. What do you pick?"
Yeah this is the problem.City’s shit is so wide reaching that it’ll take years to untangle.
I doubt they'd go to that level of granularity. I presume it'll be more like "this is the rule and you need to adhere to it". The club are culpable if they do not comply unless they have it in writing that the rule will not apply to them if the deal is done after the compliance deadline.The sale of Johnson brought us in compliance so the previous deals are irrelevent.
We were Communicating with the FA throughout the window about the Johnson sale. Presumably at no point in that conversation did the FA say sorry we will do you if you proceed with that plan so how is that a balls up?
It just seems weird to me that they'd be financially monitoring certain clubs and then allow them to do business that would mean they are breaking rules - it damages the integrity of the competition to let people break rules and then charge them.I doubt they'd go to that level of granularity. I presume it'll be more like "this is the rule and you need to adhere to it". The club are culpable if they do not comply unless they have it in writing that the rule will not apply to them if the deal is done after the compliance deadline.
If they stopped your club from breaking rules while you knew you were about tj break rules then the crying from your fanbase would be 100x worse than it is now. But we haven’t even broken rules how can they do this while City etc etcIt just seems weird to me that they'd be financially monitoring certain clubs and then allow them to do business that would mean they are breaking rules - it damages the integrity of the competition to let people break rules and then charge them.
Preventing a club from doing business is a stretch I reckon. They just monitor and check for compliance during a specified time period (which is where I think Everton may have an argument in their favour having been already charged previously for what I think is an overlapping timeframe).It just seems weird to me that they'd be financially monitoring certain clubs and then allow them to do business that would mean they are breaking rules - it damages the integrity of the competition to let people break rules and then charge them.
It's just Keegan jumping on the bandwagon after they've been charged, they had a "story" about it months ago saying they owed players millions and they weren't even due to be paid yet, when they were due they were paid as normal. The FA charge is obviously an issue for them but this from Keegan is just a load of shite.
You realise that the vast majority of football clubs don't need babysitting and have to be spoon fed information around rule breaking?It just seems weird to me that they'd be financially monitoring certain clubs and then allow them to do business that would mean they are breaking rules - it damages the integrity of the competition to let people break rules and then charge them.
Hard to feel for Forrest when they signed 500 players last summer. You know other clubs got relegated by spending within their means whilst these lot spent a complete fortune which the clearly don’t have
How do you know they didn’t? Did the club not know what situation they were in? Since you’ve being punished it’s a pretty safe fecking bet that the FA didn’t say go on ahead and wait, it’s acceptable.The sale of Johnson brought us in compliance so the previous deals are irrelevent.
We were Communicating with the FA throughout the window about the Johnson sale. Presumably at no point in that conversation did the FA say sorry we will do you if you proceed with that plan so how is that a balls up?