Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

[Marcelinho87]

Surely now they are in charge of the Footballing side of things that rule doesn't have to remain in place

As I said, after EtH it won’t but they can’t rock up and change an already legally binding contract.

 

[SalfordRed18]

I think these people were broken all along.

There's probably a case for some social research on our fanbase - I have a feeling, that we probably have an unusually large number of people from single parent families that latched onto the club/SAF as a way of filling that paternal hole in their life.

This actually the stupidest thing I've ever read on this site and I've been reading the caf for about 15 years now.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

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[Licha-Vidic]

Yesterday was some low moment even in ETH standards..

More shot on targets on us than our ball possession you can't make this shit up

 

[Telsim]

I'll be honest, losing 7-0 to Liverpool last year has completely killed any enthusiasm I had for him. I've not gotten over it.

Been the same for me. A lot of people swept it under the carpet as means of coping and denial, but I just can't. It was a nightmare, and I was shocked to see so many trying to brush it away like it's nothing. The scum humiliated us in the worst way. One of the absolute lowest points in my years of supporting this club. That, and his later admission that he is going for a counterattacking style eroded my belief in him significantly.

I have absolutely no faith in this manager. Needs to go as soon as possible.

 

[tomaldinho1]

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The mad part is no one is surprised at this. We have so little goal threat and play a very open style.

 

[stevoc]

I think I will log out now

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[justsomebloke]

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Right, these two here are both numbers and one is bigger than the other so obviously I can compare them.

 

[stevoc]

We had 3 more points after 27 games in the Ole/Rangnick disaster season. And a +10 goal difference.

ETH: ''Hold my beer''.

 

[BuzzKillington]

Some of you really need a reality check. This is a top 6, a top 8 side, not a top 4 squad. Maybe I should say it better: this current Manchester United is not a top 4 club in a lot of ways.

Up and until the 50th minute Ten Hag was hailed a hero. Not a pin drop in this thread. No pundits crying how he has lost the plot. In fact, I heard the tv commentator say "this ball stealing city, overstepping the midfield the way united is doing is the right way to play this City team." SAF himself was'nt averse in digging in either. Please have some perspective.

It plays and has the capacity of a top 8 side, but was assembled on a league champions budget. The mental acrobatics some of you do to justify keeping a failing manager in his job is astounding.

 

[SilentWitness]

I think these people were broken all along.

There's probably a case for some social research on our fanbase - I have a feeling, that we probably have an unusually large number of people from single parent families that latched onto the club/SAF as a way of filling that paternal hole in their life.

what the feck is this.

 

[erikcred]

Right, these two here are both numbers and one is bigger than the other so obviously I can compare them.

Glad someone said it. Felt very uncomfortable reading it.

 

[VP89]

We had 3 more points after 27 games in the Ole/Rangnick disaster season. And a +10 goal difference.

Also had a lot of players available in that season. Your obsession with the Ole comparisons are a touch embarrassing now.

 

[Oranges038]

It definitely is true. We weren't fun to watch but we were a decent possession side under Van Gaal, just we used it extremely defensively.

It wasn't a much worse team though.

 

[justsomebloke]

Some of you really need a reality check. This is a top 6, a top 8 side, not a top 4 squad. Maybe I should say it better: this current Manchester United is not a top 4 club in a lot of ways.

Up and until the 50th minute Ten Hag was hailed a hero. Not a pin drop in this thread. No pundits crying how he has lost the plot. In fact, I heard the tv commentator say "this ball stealing city, overstepping the midfield the way united is doing is the right way to play this City team." SAF himself was'nt averse in digging in either. Please have some perspective.

Okay, here's some perspective. We played against City here much the same way we played against them in 19/20, when, like now, we were a team languishing below the top 4 line. Dropped deep, packed the box, went all-out on counters. Because that was the only way we had any chance of beating them. The reason why that was the only way we had any chance of beating them was that they were a much, much better team than us in nearly all facets of the game, but we were very good at counters which was also where they were most vulnerable. Unlike now, we beat them in one of those two games.

The next season, we did not actually play that way against them, and not against any of the other top teams either. We were actually capable of contesting the initiative. Not that it gave us much joy, we mostly drew against top opponents and got fewer points off them than the year before. But that could be seen as progress of sorts. The year after that (Ole/Rangnick) it went completely to bits, and last year it was like two different realities home and away. This season, it's as desperately defensive as it was back in the pre-Bruno part of 19/20, and results-wise worse than ever, with two multi-goal losses.

Does this seem like progress? I agree it's not a surprise, and well reflects what results and performances in general indicate, but what perspective shows us here is that we are not moving in the right direction, and that we are as weak as we have ever been in recent years.

 

[Jev]

It wasn't a much worse team though.

True, in ETH’s defence he’s bought worse players than LVG did.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

I am not convinced by him at all but criticizing him for yesterday is stupid. He did the only intelligent thing with the players available and it nearly worked. If Rashford had reacted better he would have had 2 clear cut chances early and then we might have won the game. Once City got their groove we had no chance to do anything.

 

[Gordon Godot]

It was the right plan but it was too deep as the game went on. I didn't like his subs and I didn't like his post match interview.

It was a plan for sure. Spurs played City in the cup and went toe to toe, Ange and his team werent afraid. Sure we couldnt really do that with our defense. But as a plan goes it was the most basic and we had no way of getting a foothold in the game. His subs as ever are woeful, he keep Anand in the window only to let him rot on the bench. Amrabat, who he chased all summer, just awful. His interviews are embarrassing for the club at this point

 

[Jev]

I am not convinced by him at all but criticizing him for yesterday is stupid. He did the only intelligent thing with the players available and it nearly worked. If Rashford had reacted better he would have had 2 clear cut chances early and then we might have won the game. Once City got their groove we had no chance to do anything.

So how do we explain the fact that Bournemouth were able to play much more bravely and cause way more problems for City?

 

[2 man midfield]

2nd with 83 points in the season where we got eliminated in CL groups. Playing a midfield of O’Shea and Giggs for majority of second half of that season. Lost just 5 league games all season and went on an amazing run following our CL exit which actually carried into the following season when we won the league.

To even think ETH and SAF are comparable is a travesty.

I never compared them. I’m just asking the poster who said that finishing bottom of our CL group was a sackable offence on its own, if he’d extend that same logic to Sir Alex who did so twice with a much better side. Or do you look at the context (transition and injuries) and allow them to see the job through?

 

[Gordon Godot]

There's being positive and there's being delusional.

Indeed, some of the posts on here. Park 11 players and its a masterclass??? really? We had lots of experienced defenders, for once a more defensive midfield and we sat incredibly deep. Get some perspective. What is the club reduced to when we play like that and then people find it amazing. This is not Manchester United. Its pathetic, scared tactics

 

[AndySmith1990]

I am not convinced by him at all but criticizing him for yesterday is stupid. He did the only intelligent thing with the players available and it nearly worked. If Rashford had reacted better he would have had 2 clear cut chances early and then we might have won the game. Once City got their groove we had no chance to do anything.

We had 2 shots all game and got dominated in every conceivable metric. It didn't nearly work, nor is it stupid to criticise him since he's responsible for how crap we are

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yet Ole has the best head-to-head record against Pep than any United manager -- including Fergie.

And here it is; these are the metrics we judge our previous managers by, because the club has been so starved of actual success.

 

[Gordon Godot]

So how do we explain the fact that Bournemouth were able to play much more bravely and cause way more problems for City?

Its really embarrassing how low expectations for the club now are. And how many excuses are made

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

It was a plan for sure. Spurs played City in the cup and went toe to toe, Ange and his team werent afraid. Sure we couldnt really do that with our defense. But as a plan goes it was the most basic and we had no way of getting a foothold in the game. His subs as ever are woeful, he keep Anand in the window only to let him rot on the bench. Amrabat, who he chased all summer, just awful. His interviews are embarrassing for the club at this point

You wouldn’t even see Unai Emery set up that defensively against City. He’s good at saying the principles never change but it’s a different story when he doesn’t have the guts to follow that up consistently. We played counter attacking football under Ole too but this is a different level of hopelessness when the players can’t even break well when they see the ball. Ole was doing it with McFred and Lingard in midfield and Ten Hag can barely get to that level with Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno.

I’ve said it before but this isn’t a manager that’s even on the level of Moyes or Dyche let alone Pep and Klopp.

 

[Leftback99]

Also had a lot of players available in that season. Your obsession with the Ole comparisons are a touch embarrassing now.

Not sure calling something a disaster is a ringing endorsement.

Your obsession with making excuses on the other hand is embarrassing.

 

[Gordon Godot]

This.
How can anyone be content with the way we played yesterday. Even with all these injuries, I have seen lesser sides play more attacking than we did. On an other day, we ship six or seven here. It was Anfield all over, imo. No progress.

Even with full teams he tends to get schooled by the top 6 sides. its just embarrassing now and humiliating for the club. His signings are generally awful,, Onana did well yesterday but Antony still gets on the pitch, he immediately twice lost possession. Just what is Amrabat for? He also signed Casimero whose legs were already gone

 

[stevoc]

Ten Hag's response to us going 2-1 down was to take Garnacho and Mainoo off for Amrabat and Forson, it's just constant derpy behaviour with him. This season might be the worst ever for braindead activity.

His subs this season in general have been awful but that was something indeed. Also bringing on Kambwala a 19 year old centre back for Evans and then moving the entire defence around to play him at right back.

 

[Gordon Godot]

You wouldn’t even see Unai Emery set up that defensively against City. He’s good at saying the principles never change but it’s a different story when he doesn’t have the guts to follow that up consistently. We played counter attacking football under Ole too but this is a different level of hopelessness when the players can’t even break well when they see the ball. Ole was doing it with McFred and Lingard in midfield and Ten Hag can barely get to that level with Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno.

I’ve said it before but this isn’t a manager that’s even on the level of Moyes or Dyche let alone Pep and Klopp.

I think this is becoming the only answer. He really isnt good enough, I've felt this since start of season. Our players are better than what we see.

 

[Melville Red]

Weed/cannabis is as we know freely available in Holland and I dare say Manchester.
Just how much is our Eric taking?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68464282

 

[M16Red]

That was dog shite performance even for the first 50 min. Chelsea competed better.
This man is not the right manager and lots of evidence are available to show that if you care to see it. The players are not it either but guess what? He has spent 400m to bring these players in, so he should be as responsible as the guys above who have begun to pay with their jobs.

In no means, I'm I defending some of his tactics with the two 10s.

But I don't think he works on the price we pay for a player. It's like if someone said to you - today do you want to drive a Ferrari or Peugeot to work today, he just wants to win football matches.

As for the tactics vs City, once the second goal went in EtH just opened the game out. I watched the Chealsa game, Jackson is a better centre forward than Rashford is, Haaland was three games into his return and was pretty crap that match.

Sounds like I'm making excuses, I'm not. Just don't like it when people compare things that are not alike.

 

[Melville Red]

I think these people were broken all along.

There's probably a case for some social research on our fanbase - I have a feeling, that we probably have an unusually large number of people from single parent families that latched onto the club/SAF as a way of filling that paternal hole in their life.

So a lot of our fans are bastards, hmm well I’m not one of those but I have been called one and far worse.
I do know that a lot of our players are lazy useless “bastards”.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Pep won rock paper scissors 10 times out of 11 before the game against ETH. These statistics are unacceptable. What are INEOs waiting for?

 

[Melville Red]

Pep won rock paper scissors 10 times out of 11 before the game against ETH. These statistics are unacceptable. What are INEOs waiting for?

 

[M16Red]

You wouldn’t even see Unai Emery set up that defensively against City. He’s good at saying the principles never change but it’s a different story when he doesn’t have the guts to follow that up consistently. We played counter attacking football under Ole too but this is a different level of hopelessness when the players can’t even break well when they see the ball. Ole was doing it with McFred and Lingard in midfield and Ten Hag can barely get to that level with Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno.

I’ve said it before but this isn’t a manager that’s even on the level of Moyes or Dyche let alone Pep and Klopp.

Yes, because Moyes and Dyche together have won more trophies that EtH?

 

[RedBanker]

Pep won rock paper scissors 10 times out of 11 before the game against ETH. These statistics are unacceptable. What are INEOs waiting for?

For Armageddon

 

[pocco]

You wouldn’t even see Unai Emery set up that defensively against City. He’s good at saying the principles never change but it’s a different story when he doesn’t have the guts to follow that up consistently. We played counter attacking football under Ole too but this is a different level of hopelessness when the players can’t even break well when they see the ball. Ole was doing it with McFred and Lingard in midfield and Ten Hag can barely get to that level with Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno.

I’ve said it before but this isn’t a manager that’s even on the level of Moyes or Dyche let alone Pep and Klopp.

Like somebody else said yesterday, he's gaslighting the fans with the stuff he comes out with. Not sure who he's trying to kid? INEOS?

 

[M16Red]

Fergie was equally defensive against Barca in 2008. Only difference was he had actual players instead of Evans Lindelof and McT up front

We attack more and we lost 6-3 last year

I was just thinking that, fans seem to forget that SAF used this tactic even after years building a squad.