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JoaquinJoaquin

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Watched the Dortmund game the other day and Sancho was awful, yet he got a goal and the media etc are back with the narrative that it’s United’s loss. He is a dud and the quicker we get him sold the better.
 

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I’m saying what I think will happen, what I want is irrelevant. I think people believing he’ll be sold after this spell are kidding themselves.

Removing emotion, Ashworth was behind the scenes with England during the time Sancho came through & we aren’t getting anywhere near £80mil back. He’ll likely be at Carrington on the first day of training next year.

He scored a good goal on the weekend & I suspect he’ll be a United player next season, is all.
If anything Ashworth being behind the scenes when Sancho came through at England won't be a positive. He'll likely be very aware of his professionalism issues in the past.
 

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I believe Ashworth is good at his job, judging by his track record thus far, so I can only assume he'll do the necessary thing and try to purge the squad of the weak, unprofessional attitudes that run through it. Sancho is clearly right at the top of this list, and so I have to believe he'll be working to move him on. Without a proper overhaul we'll never stand a chance of getting back to the top.
 

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Enzo was considered one of the players of the tournament and won it, as did Pogba. One world class tournament isn't enough to be considered an all-time great.

The stuff about Pogba at City under Pep is an incredibly weird argument. Who the hell knows what would have happened.
Pogba had 2 world class tournaments though… arguably 3 as he was the golden boy also in a World Cup.

He was the best player for France in the Euros also last time. Pogba was arguably the best player in the full thing even after France got knocked out. He made one slip up against Switzerland and France got knocked out from memory but he was doing things nobody else in the tournament was doing most of the time. A real bright spark.

Pogba isn’t a workhorse / pressing player working for others like Enzo did for Messi.

Pogba was the star man alongside Mbappe and Greizeman. He’s a legit superstar. Enzo is not even remotely that role and he works for other more talented footballers.
 
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If anything Ashworth being behind the scenes when Sancho came through at England won't be a positive. He'll likely be very aware of his professionalism issues in the past.
Yes, those same professionalism issues that saw Sancho play at every age level until being fully capped or do you mean those professionalism issues that Dortmund are on record saying were overstated.

I get it’s en vogue to exaggerate on this board but Sancho isn’t the first player to play computer games or turn up late to training. If those professionalism issues were half as serious as people on here choose to believe he wouldn’t be a. . . footballing professional.

As I said, I don’t see a club coming in to spend the money we’d want on him. That’s all.
 

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Watched the Dortmund game the other day and Sancho was awful, yet he got a goal and the media etc are back with the narrative that it’s United’s loss. He is a dud and the quicker we get him sold the better.
I tend to think fans/media underrated injuries as an issue and overrate mentality/professionalism stuff. Is it possible he's just never really been the same player since multiple injuries?
 

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If Sancho really does not want to come back, he should start sending his agent out to look for a new club that is willing to pay his wage and transfer fee. It's not rocket science. Especially if he is OK to take cut of his wage ask , I'm sure he should still worth 20M and club like West Ham / Villa maybe willing to entertain the deal.

If he is not willing to give up anything financially, then he should suck it up , come back , and learn to cope with the challenge and turn it around with ETH .

This new release is just simply trying to engineer the sack of ETH before he comes back next season, so he can enjoy honeymoon with new manager and continue collecting fat check in his pocket.
 

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Yes, those same professionalism issues that saw Sancho play at every age level until being fully capped or do you mean those professionalism issues that Dortmund are on record saying were overstated.

I get it’s en vogue to exaggerate on this board but Sancho isn’t the first player to play computer games or turn up late to training. If those professionalism issues were half as serious as people on here choose to believe he wouldn’t be a. . . footballing professional.

As I said, I don’t see a club coming in to spend the money we’d want on him. That’s all.
He's not Paul Merson, but he's clearly not a model professional. I would be surprised if someone like Ashworth who's trying to rebuild a club like United choses to start of with some one who's not got a fantastic record of professionalism - overstated or not.

I agree with your last point, think it's likely going to be creative solutions if he is going to leave.
 

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Yes, those same professionalism issues that saw Sancho play at every age level until being fully capped or do you mean those professionalism issues that Dortmund are on record saying were overstated.

I get it’s en vogue to exaggerate on this board but Sancho isn’t the first player to play computer games or turn up late to training. If those professionalism issues were half as serious as people on here choose to believe he wouldn’t be a. . . footballing professional.

As I said, I don’t see a club coming in to spend the money we’d want on him. That’s all.
The money issue is a fair conundrum.

Speaking about exaggeration, I think you exaggerate when you write as if being a professional, i.e. someone who has an activity as a paid job, is the same as being a professional as an elite athlete, which means being more dedicated than a thousand other people with a bit less talent but who would eagerly eat mortar for breakfast and lunch and run through brick walls ten times before supper every day just to surpass you. Wether Sancho has that kind of professionalism, I have serious doubts. We’ve seen many highly talented young lads pass through the youth national teams with aplomb just to lack the extreme hunger and elite professionalism needed to take the last level. One good test of that is usually in how they deal with set backs, challenges etc. Sancho seems to have wiltered in the face of set backs and pointed fingers rather than buckling down. That doesn’t at all make him a bad person, but it’s a good prognosis for an elite professional to sustain and improve his carreer at the highest level of competition for me.

Hope he turns it around and proves me wrong, but I highly doubt the current United is a place that should accomodate too many with those challenges right now.
 

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Hope he does brilliantly so we can offload him in the summer for a decent fee..
 

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He’s showing as much attacking positivity in the 1st 20 mins than he’s ever done for Utd
 

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Glad to see him doing well at least in the stats over the past couple of games. I still think there's a big chance for him here post Ten Hag.

My view on it is that it was a false start from the beginning. When you sign a player coming off a hot streak, just play them...none of this adaptation etc stuff, just start them. Ole didn't do that with Sancho and then it just never got going.

I actually thought he'd looked good in pre-season in the false 9 and then lo and behold very little game time at the start of the campaign and getting called out whilst we have languid players in Martial and Rashford plus bad attitudes and hot and cold players in Bruno and Antony.
 

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Fantastic strike today.
Good strike, the goalkeepers jump, however, was hilarious. Even when his jump ended, he was nowhere near his post and a shot would still go past. This is the type of Peter Bosz performance that got him sacked quickly ar Dortmund back in the days.
 

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1 goals and 1 assist in 8 games is promising?
To be fair Sancho probably needs more game time to get back to match fitness after being out of the game for so long. He didn't work out in Utd for whatever reason but he may get back to his old form in BVB.
 

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I'm not bothered about him doing well in terms of 'good luck to him, wish him well', etc. He's been an expensive flop for us so far, and question marks over his attitude / commitment, so don't feel any fondness for him as 'a red'.

But if him doing well and finding some form helps us get a decent fee for him then it would be much better than him failing back over there as well and us being stuck with him and no-one interested (except on loan).

There's always the chance, if there's a change of manager and playing style, that if he finds some form we might look to give him a last chance here. But I'd prefer us just to cash in really. Him doing well back at Dortmund, in the Bundesliga - where he's already proven himself in the past - won't necessarily mean he'll start performing with us back in the PL next time around.

So happy enough if he can show a return to form and we cash in while / if his stocks a little higher at the end of the season.
 

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Just pulled up with an hamstring. Probably because he’s never worked as hard