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In some areas yes, in some areas no.We're not getting better though are we, that's the whole point
I'd say we're marginally better but not by too much.
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In some areas yes, in some areas no.We're not getting better though are we, that's the whole point
How would a structure above stop him from playing hoof football with a disconnected midfield deploying McT in the Fellaini role.We can't get rid of Ten Hag. I don't see any signs from the players that they have downed tools. They're just a bit shite. Give the manager another season. With a structure above him and some new signings I think we can be fine.
Two season in charge, 400 mil spent. We should be waaaaaaaay better than we are. Results can be forgiven in one season but style of football doesn't offer optimism for next season.In some areas yes, in some areas no.
I'd say we're marginally better but not by too much.
Yep, I agree one place difference shouldn't matter but if history in PL and Manchester United manager sackings go, 2 things emerge:If they were really going to base their decision on this then it wouldn't be a good look for them, would it? 6th or 7th, cup final or not is almost completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things. If they believe he's the guy then you'd expect one position in league table not changing that if their beliefs are founded on anything concrete. Similar with a cup final. One particular game should not be used to decide if the manager is the one to take us forward. He's been here for two years, there's enough material to judge him on, whether you're EtH in or out.
We all know throwing money at problems is no certainty though.Two season in charge, 400 mil spent. We should be waaaaaaaay better than we are. Results can be forgiven in one season but style of football doesn't offer optimism for next season.
Absolutely. Our fanbase are the meekest around. Thankfully it's stopped, but people being called 'glory hunters' when Ole was being criticised always made me laugh. We've made poor appointments since Fergie, and yet, elements of our fanbase have treated them like dieties and become absolutely entrenched in the notion that 'they're the one'99.9% of managers can only dream of being given the freedom and financial backing that he has had. On top of that having the most forgiving, although partly delusional, fanbase in the world. If anything we need to unlearn to back the manager and stop treating sacking managers as a bad thing.
Very valid points. I don't know the answer to that? I'd hope someone at INEOS could sort that out. I just can't see anyone replacing him this summer though. Who really is available for the long term? Weighing it up, do we keep him for one more season, hope for improvements or run out his contract without paying compensation? Or have we got someone already in mind to take over? I have a feeling he will still be here for the first game of next season.Who is going to be responsible for transfers then? We currently don't have a director of football (we have Murtough I guess but he's out the door soon) and we don't have a head of recruitment in place. If the decision is to keep him this summer then he probably needs to be given a new contract anyway because if we can't judge him properly currently because the structure above him isn't good then I don't see how that changes next season.
How can you say we’ve been a mod table team for a decade when we’ve finished 2nd a couple of times, 3rd. Never lower than 6th have we?Yeah you’re not wrong.
Any CL side in Europe would have sacked him by now, the run in December, conceding 7 against your biggest rival, the blunders in the market
But tbh we are a midtable team and it’s been that way for a decade. Fan expectations reflect that. Also Ferguson has spoiled the fans, there is a reason why he’s the GOAT.
People seem to think given the right circumstances any half decent manager can be moulded into Fergie.
what has pleased you about the Mount signing?We all know throwing money at problems is no certainty though.
400 million spent yes but I think reasonably well aside from Antony and possibly Casemiro depending on how much we get back.
I'm happy with the purchases of Mount, Onana, Martinez, Hojlund.
I don't know, someone like Nagelsmann might be available along with the likes of De Zerbi or even Tuchel. The reality is whoever we appoint unless it's Klopp or Guardiola is going to be a gamble, I keep seeing people say no one is available but by that logic no one is going to be available for years because there's no manager around that is anywhere their level.Very valid points. I don't know the answer to that? I'd hope someone at INEOS could sort that out. I just can't see anyone replacing him this summer though. Who really is available for the long term? Weighing it up, do we keep him for one more season, hope for improvements or run out his contract without paying compensation? Or have we got someone already in mind to take over? I have a feeling he will still be here for the first game of next season.
Very sensible signing for us. Ticks many boxes but unfortunately just had bad luck with injuries this season.what has pleased you about the Mount signing?
could the 55m or whatever have been spent better?
Oh Ten Hag is horribly out of his depth, no doubt about that.There’s some superb players in that squad.
Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojilund are going to be at the top of the game for a decade. We have an 80 million defender we beat city to, two 5 times champions league winners, Rashford who scored nearly 30 goals last year. Fernandes who scored for fun when we first signed him. A £55million goalkeeper who played in the champions league final the year we signed him. Mount, Sancho who were England regulars. Shaw the most expensive teenager ever who we fought Chelsea for. Anthony who shows what he can do in spurts. We can’t keep blaming the squad, it’s Eric’s squad, he signed a lot of those big names. It’s his job to get the best out of them and to get the people in place to help them stay injury free. There’s no more excuses.
Yep, the squads had a massive turnover since the Ralf era 2 years ago and yet we've gone backwards.Agreed entirely.
It's never as simple as we need to gut the squad. That's just a massive massive risk.
your point might be valid in the fullness of time. I think a good Summer of building might involve Rashford/McTominay/Ericksen moving on and a player like Mount will be more important then.Very sensible signing for us. Ticks many boxes but unfortunately just had bad luck with injuries this season.
Think we did well to get him ahead of Liverpool/Arsenal.
Will also fit into pretty much any style if we change manager.
It's easy to talk in hindsight about a transfer but at the time I think we spent the money well and still do.
Compared to this seasons performances/strategy/tactics/results, which have been our worst in the Premier League era. I'd be open to taking any current top 10-12 PL manager bar Moyes for a year.Define the level of decent you'd be willing to take?
Often a reason why video or audio clips are so much more useful than quotes via text. It's a nothing statement, which written down makes it sound like a man who is so confident that he must have had assurances from SJR.He doesn't seem to be basing it on anything in particular thankfully.
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The big question is which manager has the playing style and structure which fits how INEOS are wanting us to playNagelsmann will likely have better offers that he'd choose ahead of us. As will the other absolute top choices. Some people seem to take that as a reason to just keep ETH for another season, whereas I'm the exact opposite.
The reason we would be down the list of preferred clubs for the top managers is because we are such a mess and so far away from challenging. Unless you think ETH himself can turn things around and improve things significantly (and he's shown nothing this season to indicate that), we'll still be in the same position in 12 months time. If you expect the ideal manager will be available in 1 or 2 years time, the best way to get them is to make them confident they can compete at the top with us in a relatively short period of time, not have to come in and spend the first year or two training the absolute basics. So we should get a different manager in first whose playing style and structure fits with how INEOS want us to play, they can move us in that direction, and then in a year or two we'll be a much more enticing option for the top managers.
And of course, the hope would be that the first manager actually takes the step up and proves to be the right option himself after all. It's basically what Arteta seems to have done at Arsenal.
No idea.The set up we are going to have don't they usually decide the style of play? Just curious. What if it is something ETH cannot deliver or are they just going to sign players that fit the style he wants? There will definitely need to be a big clearout. Think Varane and Casemiro will be gone for differing reasons for certain.
Where are you putting McTominay and Maguire just out of interest,also you might want to add injuries permitting to after MartinezIt’s probably easier to do the reverse and say who I think would survive and suits it pretty well.
Onana
Dalot
Martinez
Shaw (injuries permitting)
Mainoo (developing)
Mount
Garnacho (developing)
Højlund (developing)
AWB (need to see more of him)
Kambwala (developing)
Casemiro (as rotation with someone new)
Bruno (can’t play on half turn)
Diallo (developing)
Rashford (physical profile)
I think honestly there is question marks over the yellow and the rest id say reasonably confident on not being right.
Inzaghi seems happy at Inter but would be my second choice after Nagelsmann. I suspect Amorim has probably already got deal in place to take over Klopp.Likely going back to Bayern. Doubt we get him. We should be looking at tempting someone like Inzaghi or Amorim.
Depends if you're trying to bend it so suit your narrative.Often a reason why video or audio clips are so much more useful than quotes via text. It's a nothing statement, which written down makes it sound like a man who is so confident that he must have had assurances from SJR.
Ajax didnt have quick defenders. No quicker than ours anywayhe has played that style of football - the issue is that we don't have quick defenders so we have to play a lower defensive line.
this is why we are so vacant in midfield and easy to run through.
Not sure where to find any recent stats
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Yeah fair enough not a midtable team but I wouldn’t call us a top 4 side either. This would be the 6th time in 11 we’d be missing a CL spot.How can you say we’ve been a mod table team for a decade when we’ve finished 2nd a couple of times, 3rd. Never lower than 6th have we?
Lads, we're SpursYeah fair enough not a midtable team but I wouldn’t call us a top 4 side either. This would be the 6th time in 11 we’d be missing a CL spot.
In some areas yes, in some areas no.
I'd say we're marginally better but not by too much.
I don’t think either suit the style of play.Where are you putting McTominay and Maguire just out of interest,also you might want to add injuries permitting to after Martinez
I don't think we're better than under Rangnick at anything. And that's saying something.
Even if that were true that's reason enough to sack him after 2 years and £450m spent.
Yep we have a **** of manager problem. It made sense when Fergie was the manager, and it was understandable for a few years post Fergie. But we have to realize there's no Fergie mk2 coming, none of these guys are going to transform into Fergie if only we give them enough time.99.9% of managers can only dream of being given the freedom and financial backing that he has had. On top of that having the most forgiving, although partly delusional, fanbase in the world. If anything we need to unlearn to back the manager and stop treating sacking managers as a bad thing.
Why would you say that man it’s a depressing thread alreadyLads, we're Spurs
We're empirically worse.I don't think we're better than under Rangnick at anything. And that's saying something.
Finally someone said what I was thinking tooYep we have a **** of manager problem. It made sense when Fergie was the manager, and it was understandable for a few years post Fergie. But we have to realize there's no Fergie mk2 coming, none of these guys are going to transform into Fergie if only we give them enough time.
Manchester United shouldn't wait around giving manager 2-3-4 years to show us something, anything.
We were rubbish under Rangnick due to players downing tools. The club was in such a toxic state during that period.I don't think we're better than under Rangnick at anything. And that's saying something.
6th place and just an FA Cup Final when LVG was sacked for 5th and winning it. Jeez INEOS please get some standards and don't fall for Erik's BS about turning this aroundI genuinely believe he will be kept if he secures FA cup Final and 6th Place, he must get Europa football at the least which is no certainty right now, then they keep him on trial to Xmas 25. If he loses against Coventry, and 2 or 3 more PL games he’s gone!
Do be so disingenuous.We were rubbish under Rangnick due to players downing tools. The club was in such a toxic state during that period.
We're rubbish now by design. I have trouble understanding how anyone can support a manager who has taken us to where we are now due to his own incompetence, as opposed to the players throwing him under the bus
The way we play is by design. And we're rubbish. Therefore, rubbish by designDo be so disingenuous.
6th time in 11 missing out sounds harsh and worse than I thought! What a shit decadeYeah fair enough not a midtable team but I wouldn’t call us a top 4 side either. This would be the 6th time in 11 we’d be missing a CL spot.
What about those managers who are in that tier under Klopp and Guardiola such asI think the issue is there's so few world class managers in world football. There's what, two in the prem out of 38? Arteta is starting to look like he might get there. Then you look abroad, at la liga and you look at the best three teams in spain and see:
Xavi at Barca (not world class),
Ancellotti at Madrid - Who knows? I'd say yes, but before hand the only job he could get was Everton (?!) - which is insane really.
Zidane - was it a case of right man at the right team at the right time? We're not sure because he's not done anything elsewhere.
Simeone - obviously done great things but we all know the type of football he uses to get those results.
So you're talking about a manager who won 3 CL's, another who's Real madrid manager who's won a ton etc....and how many of the above would you say you'd want at United? None of them? Maybe one as a risk? So when you look at some of the most successful managers in the world outside of Klopp/pep and you think....well actually i'd rather go with someone else, less successful and perhaps more "up and coming" you've got a huge risk to reward ratio.
And out of the above - how many would want to take that risk and come to United?
We did this with ETH, and we'll have to do it again.
Anyway that's a very long winded way of agreeing with you in terms of United is a massive draw for the top staff in the world, but when it comes to managers it's a bit of a different ball game.
We are shite yes. I don't believe for a second ETH wants us to be a poor side.The way we play is by design. And we're rubbish. Therefore, rubbish by design