Bruno Fernandes Out? | Staying at Man United

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For 100m, selling would be the on-paper correct choice and what you'd expect a well-run club in our position to do.

Because realistically a 31 year old Bruno will only offer a few more years to the club before you have to replace him for no money. Whereas this is the oppprtunity to have an extra 100m to replace him with player(s) who offer many more combined years to the club. If you replace him with the correct players, then selling him for that sort of profit at this point in his career provides a massive long term upside for a club who are many years away from achieving success and, as a result, should have a long term focus.

Personally I understand and share the concern that the club won't actually reinvest the money well, and for that reason as a fan I hope Bruno rejects them and it's not a decision the club have to make.

But if you're the club and you're presented with that offer, you can't decline to make the correct decision to sell because you're afraid you won't make correct subsequent decisions in terms of purchases. If the club is at a point where they don't even trust themselves on transfers, we're fecked anyway.

80m is a lot less enticing though.
 
sullydnl said:
For 100m, selling would be the on-paper correct choice and what you'd expect a well-run club in our position to do.

Because realistically a 31 year old Bruno will only offer a few more years to the club before you have to replace him for no money. Whereas this is the oppprtunity to have an extra 100m to replace him with player(s) who offer many more combined years to the club. If you replace him with the correct players, then selling him for that sort of profit at this point in his career provides a massive long term upside for a club many years away from achieving success.

Personally I understand and share the concern that the club won't actually reinvest the money well, and for that reason as a fan I hope Bruno rejects them and it's not a decision the club have to make.

But if you're the club and you're presented with that offer, you can't decline to make the correct decision to sell because you're afraid you won't make correct subsequent decisions in terms of purchases. If the club is at a point where they don't even trust themselves on transfers, we're fecked anyway.

80m is a lot less enticing though.
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Yeah the fact it's less than £100m is really galling
 
It’s certainly a choice to get rid. He’s the sole reason our season wasn’t worse. There’s absolutely no chance it’s just a Bruno choice in that eventuality.

I don’t think I could criticise anyone that had worries about that money being invested the right way either.

Could be a full circle moment though. Our decline began with not reinvesting the ronaldo money well. So maybe we get back on track using our current Portuguese stars funds well.

That’s a huge amount of cope from me though.
 
I dont love his leadership style at times, but if he leaves who are our leaders??

Maguire has been good but previously crumbled under the pressure of being captain and arguably won't be in our strongest XI in an ideal world.
Casemiro is a leader but not a week in week out starter.
The rest of the team are either youngsters or just not good enough.
De Ligt has potential to become one but is he ready now?
 
Fenômeno said:
With that attitude we might as well buy no players at all.
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No, we have to buy players because this squad isn't good enough. 15th isn't good enough. But I have no faith we will get it right, because we have consistently got it wrong over the last decade.

You're confusing two things. On the one hand, there's what should be done, and there's what will be done. How many duff signings have we made over the last 10 years? How many of those players did we spend over the odds on?

I would love to be wrong and there's nothing that I would love more than for this club to get its fecking act together and make good decisions that improve us as a football club in all areas.
 
SER19 said:
The absolute stupid giddiness over 100m from some here. What are you buying to replace him with that fee. Keeping in mind we'd get around 40 if we sent him to Saudi in 2 years.

This isn't championship manager. 100m got us hojlund and dorgu. 100m got onana and ugarte.
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From what's been said in the media we had 100m to spend this summer. 65m went on Cunha while 30m were supposed to go for delap. The rest depended on sales.

A 100m would allow us to add another 30m for a gyokeres. It would then allow us to get a mbuemo for 50m. Once we sell rashy, garnacho and Sancho then we can add a top CM as well

Is it risky? Of course it is. However so is relying on a 31 yr old high energy player
 
As I said earlier in this thread, Chelsea lost Eden Hazard who was a far better player and his output after a world class season was replaced by Tammy Abraham and Pulisic. Chelsea went from 3rd to 4th.

Even the often cited Spurs team who also lost a world class Gareth Bale who was a one man attack went from 5th to 6th in the season after selling him.

The seasons following the transition year, both teams successfully built teams that were better than the ones they had with Bale and Hazard.

How good do some of you think Bruno is? Or do you think by the end of the window the average player we have will be of relegation quality because that’s the only way the fear mongering on here makes sense.
 
devilish said:
From what's been said in the media we had 100m to spend this summer. 65m went on Cunha while 30m were supposed to go for delap. The rest depended on sales.

A 100m would allow us to add another 30m for a gyokeres. It would then allow us to get a mbuemo for 50m. Once we sell rashy, garnacho and Sancho then we can add a top CM as well

Is it risky? Of course it is. However so is relying on a 31 yr old high energy player
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All BBC talk is that they are only offering £80m
 
devilish said:
From what's been said in the media we had 100m to spend this summer. 65m went on Cunha while 30m were supposed to go for delap. The rest depended on sales.

A 100m would allow us to add another 30m for a gyokeres. It would then allow us to get a mbuemo for 50m. Once we sell rashy, garnacho and Sancho then we can add a top CM as well

Is it risky? Of course it is. However so is relying on a 31 yr old high energy player
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This is how I feel about it too. Add a new goalkeeper to that list and we could start the season a lot stronger overall.
 
El Jefe said:
As I said earlier in this thread, Chelsea lost Eden Hazard who was a far better player and his output after a world class season was replaced by Tammy Abraham and Pulisic. Chelsea went from 3rd to 4th.

Even the often cited Spurs team who also lost a world class Gareth Bale who was a one man attack went from 5th to 6th in the season after selling him.

The seasons following the transition year, both teams successfully built teams that were better than the ones they had with Bale and Hazard.

How good do some of you think Bruno is? Or do you think by the end of the window the average player we have will be of relegation quality because that’s the only way the fear mongering on here makes sense.
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Can we really afford to drop any more places?
 
El Jefe said:
As I said earlier in this thread, Chelsea lost Eden Hazard who was a far better player and his output after a world class season was replaced by Tammy Abraham and Pulisic. Chelsea went from 3rd to 4th.

Even the often cited Spurs team who also lost a world class Gareth Bale who was a one man attack went from 5th to 6th in the season after selling him.

The seasons following the transition year, both teams successfully built teams that were better than the ones they had with Bale and Hazard.

How good do some of you think Bruno is? Or do you think by the end of the window the average player we have will be of relegation quality because that’s the only way the fear mongering on here makes sense.
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Let's be honest, regardless of keeping or selling Bruno you're going to massively improve in the league next season.
 
El Jefe said:
As I said earlier in this thread, Chelsea lost Eden Hazard who was a far better player and his output after a world class season was replaced by Tammy Abraham and Pulisic. Chelsea went from 3rd to 4th.
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I don't think that's a fair comparison as they had a transfer ban.
 
Superunknown said:
No, we have to buy players because this squad isn't good enough. 15th isn't good enough. But I have no faith we will get it right, because we have consistently got it wrong over the last decade.

You're confusing two things. On the one hand, there's what should be done, and there's what will be done. How many duff signings have we made over the last 10 years? How many of those players did we spend over the odds on?

I would love to be wrong and there's nothing that I would love more than for this club to get its fecking act together and make good decisions that improve us as a football club in all areas.
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We have new owners that have shaken up the way the club is run and a new manager, we need to give them a chance before writing them off and saying hyperbolic things like they are certain to waste money and make bad transfers, early signs are encouraging with the Cunha transfer who i'm confident will be a hit. Although, I do understand the scepticism as we've been burned a lot over the last 12 years.
 
Can anyone in here that's in favour of selling Bruno for £80m, please name 2-3 players that we can bring in with his sale fee, that will either keep us at level par or in fact improve us?

Please, I'd like a good chunk of responses to this, I'm genuinely intrigued. £80m, 2-3 players that keeps us on level terms or improves us. Go. (side note, please at least attempt to refrain from throwing 19-21yr olds into your response) (Oh and remember, you need to account for the most creative* player across the top 5 European leagues leaving, and you are going to replace this)

P.s, this is my last post of the day so I can't respond until tomorrow.

*In terms of chances created, key passes etc.
 
Despite his age, £80m seems a bit low considering the market rate these days. £100m+ would be more reasonable for a player of his quality.

We have to get the recruitment spot on this summer. More-so if we cash in on our best player.
 
El Jefe said:
As I said earlier in this thread, Chelsea lost Eden Hazard who was a far better player and his output after a world class season was replaced by Tammy Abraham and Pulisic. Chelsea went from 3rd to 4th.

Even the often cited Spurs team who also lost a world class Gareth Bale who was a one man attack went from 5th to 6th in the season after selling him.

The seasons following the transition year, both teams successfully built teams that were better than the ones they had with Bale and Hazard.

How good do some of you think Bruno is? Or do you think by the end of the window the average player we have will be of relegation quality because that’s the only way the fear mongering on here makes sense.
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So the two examples you've given saw the selling clubs go backwards the next season?

Spurs also, quite famously, squandered most of the Bale money.

Of the seven players they brought in the summer they sold Bale, four were sold two summers later having done feck all (Paulinho, Soldado, Chiriches and Capoue) and another went the summer after that (Chadli). Eriksen and Lamela were the only ones that came close to being a success, and that's definitely stretching the definition of "success".

The summer after they sold Bale, their most expensive signing was Federico Fazio for just £8 million because the well had very much run dry. They finished 5th.
 
duffer said:
Would be sad to see him move to Saudi at 30.

He won't do it yet. Seems to have more about him.
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He's not one to chase SPL, but you can see several arguments to why he might end up there. The main issue here is that at no European club would pay what we want for him, or that we would contemplate selling him domestically. The next is that you can hardly see any potential trophies in the near future with this current team, unless we manage to offload the biggest expandables (Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Shaw, Antony etc.) and reinvest wisely (which is hard to trust the current regime with), so you might forgive him for thinking he's going nowhere by staying at United. Third is salary. If you hardly have anything else to play for, could you really turn down that amount of money on offer (700k/week NET) at his age? That amount has surely raised some discussion in the Fernandes household.

He's done all he could here. Doesn't mean that he won't deliver if he stays, I just won't begrudge him if he goes.
 
Funnily I have been criticizing him for most of his time here, but this season I think at times has been his best (I fully understand some will disagree strongly).

I know some rate him crazy high, but I think 80m makes a lot of sense, I think its a reasonable fee. I was thinking outside of a Saudi team 70m would be expected, 80m for them it fine.
 
devilish said:
We should push for at least 90m
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It's rare to get 80m or above for someone who is about to hit 31, There have actually only been 2 in recent history Ronaldo to Juve and Kane to Bayern (Kane was 30 though). Despite people's protests 80m is reasonable.
 
Fenômeno said:
It's rare to get 80m or above for someone who is about to hit 31, There have actually only been 2 in recent history Ronaldo to Juve and Kane to Bayern (Kane was 30 though).
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They can afford it so play on that
 
Selling him for 80 million considering hes 31 that would be good business. My worry though is that our recruitment will be s##t.

Hopefully we dont recruit poorly at the expense of getting rid of our best player.
 
kanobbk said:
Can anyone in here that's in favour of selling Bruno for £80m, please name 2-3 players that we can bring in with his sale fee, that will either keep us at level par or in fact improve us?

Please, I'd like a good chunk of responses to this, I'm genuinely intrigued. £80m, 2-3 players that keeps us on level terms or improves us. Go. (side note, please at least attempt to refrain from throwing 19-21yr olds into your response)

P.s, this is my last post of the day so I can't respond until tomorrow.
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Think of it like Moneyball.

We can't find a single player who can perfectly replicate the impact of selling Bruno but we can achieve similar results by combining the strengths of multiple players.

His sale could facilitate a new goalkeeper and striker and a midfielder better suited to the 3-4-3 system.
 
Whatever way you want to project it but we just finished 15th and our best player is leaving. The fact is that Bruno was the one guy who made United games watchable. Very sad times these.
 
Fenômeno said:
It's rare to get 80m or above for someone who is about to hit 31, There have actually only been 2 in recent history Ronaldo to Juve and Kane to Bayern (Kane was 30 though). Despite people's protests 80m is reasonable.
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I agree. However it's also rare for someone to accept the first offer as well. Al hillal need a player like yesterday (WC club). Their owner can probably find 10m under the bed
 
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