Rooney and Drogba I'll give you, but there's no way Saha, McCarthy and Bent are better than Berbatov. Not on your nelly, neither is Van Persie for that matter.
Berbatov or Henry?
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Rooney and Drogba I'll give you, but there's no way Saha, McCarthy and Bent are better than Berbatov. Not on your nelly, neither is Van Persie for that matter.
It's a testimonial to me taking the piss out of idiots.
You think all those players are better than Berbatov?!!
Drogba, Rooney, Saha, Van Persie, Carlos Tevez, etc...
Scousers and a lot of others would say Torres.
Anyone who has watched Shevchenko for more than a year would say him too.
Good point though....seriously.
Moron.
Stick those options in a poll then sunshine - put your money where your mouth is. Berbatov would come ahead of at least 4 of them, even on a United board. I'm confident of the outcome - are you?
Might be closer to the truth.
Same reply mate, set up a poll if you think I'm wrong.
You got me all wrong guvnor!
Berbatov is fantastic. My point was that if you think the majority share of a poll result on here would be either: A) a sensible answer or B) the correct one, then to you sir I say this - dream on.
Hmm, I think you have trouble with concepts like "truth" and "fiction".
OK, sorry, I misunderstood your earlier post.
I take your point, and you're probably right. Even so, I still bet such a poll would show Berbatov ahead of several of the other players mentioned.
I'll even suggest a fair, neutrally worded poll question for the likes of King Eric to use, if they have the courage to test their claims, which I strongly doubt:
"Who is now the best of the following strikers? Rank them in order:
Drogba, Shevchenko, Berbatov etc"
Then we'll see who, using King Eric's word, is a 'moron'.
If you really want a poll ask for one ... pointless though as from this very thread you can see that your in the minority.
You're wrong.We've got a live one.
You're simply wrong. Why you are wrong has been explained many times in the thread.
i dont understand y would ou agree with drogba then
he has had just one good season
his previous seasons were pathetic
Besides
I do think drogba is a very good player (better than berbatov) but he still has a lot to prove
Mccarthy
has done it all
at all levels
CL, EPl, portugese league, UEFA cup
bent well look at his scoring record
miles ahead of berbatov
just 12 goals and say a dozen or so assists is not what u expect from a supposedly world class striker
Saha played a lot less than Berbatov but still scored about 13 goals and a few assists as well
Saha has been very good for quite some time now
he kept ruud out of the side that shows what he is capable of
Berbatov has done jack till now
Hes worth 12m at max
no way near 25m
Henry >>> Berbatov and he went for 16.25m
You might talk about age n all
but berbatov is what 27 hardly young and almost into his prime
and if 12 goals in the league is what he can deliver at 27
i dont know how much more better he can get over a year or two when
SAF: "'I'm more convinced they will be in the top four without Thierry Henry."
No prizes then for guessing who SAF would choose to sign, given the choice between Henry and Berbatov.
He thinks Arsenal are better off without him, so he's hardly going to choose Henry over Berbatov. So much for all the hot air of so many posts in this thread.
No prizes then for guessing who SAF would choose to sign, given the choice between Henry and Berbatov.
He thinks Arsenal are better off without him, so he's hardly going to choose Henry over Berbatov. So much for all the hot air of so many posts in this thread.
So bloody true mate ...
Not that it makes much difference, but he's 26.
I'm staggered ... how does "'I'm more convinced they will be in the top four without Thierry Henry." equate to:
a) Arse are better off without Henry.
b) He would prefer Berba over Henry.
Your one deluded individual ... and that's not a sneering remark, it's just the truth.
3 years younger than Henry, he's got a lot of catching up to do then hasn't he?
Going from last season Berbatov but going from consistency and all round class then its got to be Henry.
I could give you a detailed analysis of all the points where you go wrong, but I've got better things to do, like wank off a pig.
You couldn't argue with either. I think if I had to pick one though for our current squad it'd be berbatov as I think he'd do even better at United and his link up play is great. He's also more involved in the game because he's quite central. It's not an easy question - could have easily picked henry but it wouldn't be good if everyone agreed. The cafe would explode
Berbatov had one goal v the top ten teams last year and 0 v the top four, not exactly top quality, hes a very good player, but not in henrys class
i look at it this way, if I'm building a squad block by blog, then the age of berbatov would be the overriding factor in selecting him over henry.
however if the squad is one player away from cl success, then you gotta believe that henry is the more likely player to push you over that threshold of a championship caliber squad.
however if the squad is one player away from cl success, then you gotta believe that henry is the more likely player to push you over that threshold of a championship caliber squad.
Yeah he wanks on about the 23 goals but when you look under the covers things ain't as rosy as they appear.
PL 12 goals (1 scored against top half of the table clubs)
UEFA 7 goals scored against the likes of Brugge & Braga
didn't score in the two games v Seville
Versus top teams Berbatov has a poor record
PL 5x top 4 0 goals
FA Cup 2x Chelsea 1 goal
UEFA 2x Seville 0 goals
ie 9 games against class opposition = 1 goal.
PL 12 goals (1 scored against top half of the table clubs)
UEFA 7 goals scored against the likes of Brugge & Braga
didn't score in the two games v Seville
Versus top teams Berbatov has a poor record
PL 5x top 4 0 goals
FA Cup 2x Chelsea 1 goal
UEFA 2x Seville 0 goals
ie 9 games against class opposition = 1 goal.
No, but even my inner football nerd baulks at that. You, however, "forgot" to address the point.You forgot the 15 assists
You seem to think that assists are trivial - they're not, they're a very important part of a strikers role and 15 of them is excellent. That's one reason why Berbatov is a such a great all-round player.
As to 'your point', your stats are rather meaningless, 23 goals is 23 goals which ever way you try and slice it.
Berby scored in the league, the league cup, the FA Cup and in Europe - i.e. in all four competitions, against a variety of styles of teams and types of matches. At the very least that might suggest a certain adaptability.
You say "UEFA 7 goals scored against the likes of Brugge & Braga ..."
7 goals sounds pretty good to me - is this supposed to be a damning statistic? They included away in Turkey against Besiktas (not the easiest fixture to imagine) and away to Bayer Leverkusen (who finished 5th in the Bundesliga).
You say: "Versus top teams Berbatov has a poor record".
In fact he scored twice again top 4 teams, Chelsea in the FA Cup and Arsenal in the Carling Cup, and didn't even play in several other matches against top 4 teams. Is that such a bad record?
Mido scored playing away against Arsenal in the Carling Cup. Does this goal against a top 4 club make him even half as good Berbatov? No.
Berbatov is a very classy striker. I'm not sure if it's jealousy or what on your part, but do try and get over it.
you dug your own grave with those two points
Henry was always amongst the assists at the arse
thats why he was one of the best
Because his game unlike ruud was not just scoring
he would constantly set up his teammates
and thats what van persie and the other youngsters are gonna miss next season
Besides Mido did pretty well in his first season with you lot where he was on loan from roma.
he did get quite a good amount of goals isnt that why you bought him permanently and all spurs fans were going nuts about him (and his weight issues as well)
And now suddenly he's shit
Mido first season with you was pretty much similar to berbatovs first
so by your logic Berbatov should be going down the Mido route soon enough ehh
hardly world class eh
i am begining to sound like a fan of the cnut henry
I am not at all a fan of his
but i can appreciate a great player when i see one
he was obviously second best to ruud (yes i am biased)
But berbatov is nowhere near to henry
not in a thousand years he aint
after 2 seasons who knows
but i doubt it
I am not at all a fan of his
but i can appreciate a great player when i see one
he was obviously second best to ruud (yes i am biased)
But berbatov is nowhere near to henry
not in a thousand years he aint
after 2 seasons who knows
but i doubt it
Berbatov,he would be immense playing alongside Ronnie/rooney/Hargreaves
yesssssssssssssssss
I left out the Carling Cup since we and others fielded weakened teams in it. The stats remain:
9 games v top opposition = 1 goal
12 PL goals, 1 v a top half team
Oddly enough you've given me cause to think my initial thoughts on Berbatov - classy player but not suited to the PL due to his lack of pace - were correct. I ignored his shit performances v Arsenal in the league (particularly since Spurs overall gave the most spineless display I've ever seen from them at our place - a truly embarrassing performance) but it does look as if he's a bit of a flat-track bully from the numbers
I agree .. but don't see why that detracts from Berbatov's performance last season.
In any case, I'm not denying that Henry is a terrific player, but his last good season began nearly two years ago now.
I agree that Mido did quite well for us in his first season - before he put on weight and began his playboy/badboy lifestyle, but this season he has been shit. Simple truth - what the problem with that?
No comparison, Berbatov has scored far more goals (11 versus 23 in fact) and made many more asssists.
No, that's your strange logic, not mine.
I think that assessment on your part tells us everything we need know about the quality of your judgement and your so obviously biased agenda.
Try offering that opinion to a wider audience .. they'll enjoy a good laugh.
Thanks for your time. Don't call us, we'll .... (I'm sure you know the rest).
That's piss poor even from you. Deal with the numbers.
I believe I already have.
Look, you want to try and make out that 23 goals and 15 assists is somehow not really all that good, even forgetting about all his general classy play that doesn't result in a goal or an assist. And you think you can prove it by saying he scored 'only 12' goals in the league and only 2 goals against top 4 teams during the season.
You also say he is not suited to the Prem.
Well, I'm content to leave others to reach their own conclusions as to the value of your judgement. OK?
Believe me on the basis of this thread they will have. You need to come to terms with reality, I know having a good player is exciting for you but you mustn't get carried away - top 4 clubs have world class players, Berbatov isn't anywhere close (to avoid confusion world class in my book means in the 22 man squad to play Mars).
Henry by a country mile for me, possibly the best player to ever play in the Prem whereas Berb is a player who's had one very good season... I can't believe anyone can say different?!? some people are CRAZY!!
I like this, I think that has got to be the standard definition for world class from now on ...