He has played well yes, but his attitude has been shit on the pitch.
Lets be honest, when he scores/others score, he doesn't seem like he is all that bothered, only reason he celebrated the slightest yesterday was cos rooney came running up to him.
Will Ronnie be booed?
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Lets be honest, when he scores/others score, he doesn't seem like he is all that bothered, only reason he celebrated the slightest yesterday was cos rooney came running up to him.
Well Brad has tried to come up with some actual action that was wrong - and has failed entirely.
The mind boggles.
Think you can do better?
(Btw. that's 'wrong' as opposed to 'something I don't like'.)
SAF and Ronaldo had a meeting to settle a quarrel. Ronaldo is still here so you'd assume that quarrel was settled.
If SAF and Ronaldo needed to settle a quarrel then the fans have every reason to feel that Ronaldo hasn't made up for his actions with the fans.
I think deep down, Ronnie knows that not all the fans have truely forgiven him.
He also knows the only way to get back their love is to play amazing football, and since his return, he hasn't reached that level again.
He got better this week, but we all know he can do better.
He is the kind of guy that will see Rooney do better, and will be happy for him, but be even more determined to reach new heights and be the best with question
He also knows the only way to get back their love is to play amazing football, and since his return, he hasn't reached that level again.
He got better this week, but we all know he can do better.
He is the kind of guy that will see Rooney do better, and will be happy for him, but be even more determined to reach new heights and be the best with question
No, no I don't.Except some football teams were formed as vanity items for wealthy patrons (cf professional cricket) - such teams could still be competeing with those with a more egalitarian structure.
Just face it fella - you just need to feel important to the club don't you!
The only thing that keeps me coming back is the fact I enjoy the day so much. Theres nothing else that comes close for me.
If it wasn't the case I'd be at FC full time. I don't need to feel important for the club, I just need the buzz of a match day.
We're not ignoring them because we didn't used to sing for them.
To stop doing something that we never did in the past is vastly different from stopping doing something that we used to do (almost) religiously.
Desperately romantic yes, but not inaccurate. One day soon it will be inaccurate, then you'll have customers and then those customers will get bored and do something else rather than spend £1000 on a season ticket.
So, we should never sign for them because we never have?
If we stop singing for him, it may get a message across, and maybe, just maybe, he might take a long look at his attitude towards the fans, the ones who in your worlds use to sing for him religiously
Nope - I just don't desperately feel the need to be viewed as more important to the club than its great players.
I don't have such a low self-image as to need to think of myself as some essential part of a great football club when I am a supporter.
His attitude has not been shit on the pitch...unless you think SAF has learned to accomodate shit attitudes on the pitch...
I'm just glad Old Trafford isn't filled with 76,000 FeedingSeagulls.
Warms the cockels that does.
Warms the cockels that does.
Take it you wern't there yesterday?
Or even watch it on tv?
No one is trying to be more important to the club.
Thats the key point, your a supporter, you pay a large sum of money each year to go and watch your team.
Surely this allows you to have your opinion, and voice it, or not voice it as the case may be, when at games. No?
When did either SAF or Ronaldo state that a 'quarrel' was involved?
Are you privy to information denied to the rest of us or have you just jumped to a conclusion?
I think this matches with Evra's view of Christiano.
You propose a social club - not a football club - that's why it's inaccurate.
Did FS really just ridicule my arguement, based on two old miserable blokes sat next to him in the North stand?
Welcome to the North stand mate!!! I've been a season ticket holder there the previous 2 seasons, there are a lot more than just 2 who don't contribute to the atmosphere. There are also very many who will only contribute to Viva Ronaldo, sometimes also the Rooney chants
How have I 'failed entirely' FS? The supporters aren't chanting Viva Ronaldo, as I said they wouldn't, as I said they shouldn't. The dynamic has quite clearly changed from last season, when it was wall to wall Ronaldo chants. Why should a player expect that to continue, if he pisses off the supporters that chant his name because of their loyalty to him, when they see that loyalty thrown in their face?
Welcome to the North stand mate!!! I've been a season ticket holder there the previous 2 seasons, there are a lot more than just 2 who don't contribute to the atmosphere. There are also very many who will only contribute to Viva Ronaldo, sometimes also the Rooney chants
How have I 'failed entirely' FS? The supporters aren't chanting Viva Ronaldo, as I said they wouldn't, as I said they shouldn't. The dynamic has quite clearly changed from last season, when it was wall to wall Ronaldo chants. Why should a player expect that to continue, if he pisses off the supporters that chant his name because of their loyalty to him, when they see that loyalty thrown in their face?
In what way?
I think you have made my point for me tbh.
You've got a classic middle class perspective on it all - it's a spectacle that you pay to view or purchase as an entertainment not an experience that you are part of.
Right here, not sure how you missed it:
Damning evidence if you ask me.
Nail on head.
So why do you feel the need to portray the fans as far more important to the club than they actually are?
Fans are important - and are part of the club - but some folks here seem to be selling us the line that they are the most important part and that is just piffle.
In our current position they are. They disappear, the club disappears.
But thats a different argument.
The fans pay for their right to express themselves as they see fit, when their loyalty is betrayed, did you really think the majority would sit there and let it slip by unnoticed?
Since I live in The Netherlands now, I did indeed watch it on tv.
As for his attitude on the pitch...I'm not sure if you're mistaking him waving his hands around if he's been fouled for demonstrations of his attitude?
I saw someone who is short of fitness, but didn't stop running to try and create opportunities (either for himself, or through his movement, for others). Granted, he did not chase back as much as Rooney...but then he never did.
With regard to his (lack of) celebration, it is pretty apparent that that he never overtly celebrates when he is either disappointed with his own performance, or when he feels it is not a significant accomplishment - you only had to witness that last season.
How would the club exist without the fans?
How would the club buy these great players without the fans?
The fans are the lifeblood and the soul of the club, but that is the thing you don't understand, to you it's just a day out at the theatre
...has Spoons made FS's point...
Like this:
What happens if the fans are (or think they are) the club?
Answer= NUFC.
Would you like to be as much of a joke as Newcastle?
So you missed him fecking off down the tunnel without even a wave to the fans or a handshake for his fellow pros then?
Great attitude he showed.
I do like reading your post FS. Now and again I understand some of the big words and part understand what your babeling on about.The guy was entirely honest throughout the summer
They may not have been what you wanted to hear - but that is a different issue.
I am now starting to judge people by how they react to the remarks made - on whether they let their emotions overcome the facts of the case.
I do think your views on this situation are a bit strange and not what I would expect a normal football fan.
The only message that you are getting across is that you are more naive and stupid than he was. SAF is trying his best for the club to retain a player who he thinks is invaluable to the squad. I am certain that the likes of Rio or Rooney would feel the same as Fergie.
In a season or two, the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Neville and most importantly Fergie could call it quits. Having Ronnie in the squad would be a huge plus for the stability and the continued prospect of trophies. If we go a few seasons without trophies and the debts continue to grow, some of the dooms day predictions made when Glazer's took over could still come true. But some of our fans are far too thick and their ego's far too bruised by Ronaldo supposedly disrespecting them
to realize it.Nail on the head regarding his attitude.
The club would exist without the fans.How would the club exist without the fans?
How would the club buy these great players without the fans?
The fans are the lifeblood and the soul of the club, but that is the thing you don't understand, to you it's just a day out at the theatre
They would not be able to afford these great players that you mention...but there would still be players and some people would still continue to watch.
That's 2 guys in the strettie actually - just over the wall from me in the North.
That's the first inaccuracy.
My second point was based on the North - but showed pro-Ronaldo fans singing the whole game. Your 2nd inaccuracy was to ignore that.
Between them your arguments are pretty much torn apart.
You 'failed entirely' to show anything that Ronaldo did that was wrong.
You 'failed entirely' to show that it was JCL's/fanboys etc. only who welcomed him back. I questioned it at the time and also suggested it was based on a 'top red' (real supporters shouldn't act like that) tendency.
Oh look - not only was I right - but your assertion as to the motivations of Ronaldo-welcomers was as flawed as I suggested as well.
It'd be gone within a year, if 50% (possibly less) of the fans fecked off.
£600M+ debt + half of income from fans = no club.
Hope this helps.
How is it nail on the head when you have no fecking idea what his attitude is??
Not sure if you read the interview with Evra in the Guardian - he rates Ronaldo as one of his closest friends at United.
But I guess he fails to spot Ronaldo's attitude...
Right - and the author was your good (I jest) self I take it?
But then the club would have fans
What if no one went to watch?
What would the club be then?
A sausage fest I would imagine
One of the reasons people aren't singing Viva Ronaldo as much as last season because he hasn't been as good as last season. When he scored people did sing Viva Ronaldo.
And people are over reacting about him running off the pitch. Let's see if he does that every game.
And people are over reacting about him running off the pitch. Let's see if he does that every game.
His attitude towards the fans and the other players was relatively easy to see yesterday.How is it nail on the head when you have no fecking idea what his attitude is??
Not sure if you read the interview with Evra in the Guardian - he rates Ronaldo as one of his closest friends at United.
But I guess he fails to spot Ronaldo's attitude...