Scores die in Israeli air strikes

vijay said:
India has a bigger Muslim population
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I don't think it has. Indonesia has the biggest Muslim pop at around 200 million, followed by Pakistan with 166m. India's the 3rd highest with 138m(13%) Although, I thought Bangladesh would've been higher before I checked out the stats. Sorry, just checked again I was right, Bangladesh has the third highest Muslim population at around 150m. Crazy amount of people in such a small area.

What wrong with birth control in that part of the world? rabbits.
 
20% of the world is Chinese. 17% is Indian. . .and in keeping with this thread, 0.11% is Israeli.
 
Spoonatov said:
I don't think it has. Indonesia has the biggest Muslim pop at around 200 million, followed by Pakistan with 166m. India's the 3rd highest with 138m(13%) Although, I thought Bangladesh would've been higher before I checked out the stats. Sorry, just checked again I was right, Bangladesh has the third highest Muslim population at around 150m. Crazy amount of people in such a small area.

What wrong with birth control in that part of the world? rabbits.
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Reckon they have overtaken India in the recent times, but certainly India had a bigger Muslim population than Pakistan when partition happened, majority of the muslims preferring to stay where ever they were. The rabbits are more to due polygamy than birth control.
 
vijay said:
The rabbits are more to due polygamy than birth control.
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Too many kids per family, obviously. Quite mental actually. Just been reading up on Bangladesh's population density - apparently it has the highest population density in the world. India's not far behind. You'll over China soon.

I've got an idea. Use a condom, Vijay.
 
This thread has veered into a discussion of over-population...which, in my opinion, is likely to be the biggest cause of human suffering in the next century.
 
Yes, without doubt. Less water and food to go around, for starters. Many think the next major war will be over water.
 
Spoony said:
Yes, without doubt. Less water and food to go around, for starters. Many think the next major war will be over water.
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Indeed. Around 350,000 people are born every day...and only around 155,000 die each day. It doesn't take a genius to know that isn't sustainable for very long at all.

The problem is most acute in the Asian continent (in fact in some areas of Europe the problem is the reverse...an ageing population). But what can be done about it? Promotion of contraception of course, but that'll only take us so far. The root of the problem is that, by and large, people like to have kids. And many people like to have a lot of kids.

An attitude change is needed, but, needless to say, changing attitudes about something so instinctively desired is very difficult. I can't see any outcome other than mass-starvation, and as you say, war.
 
Mozza said:
60 aid trucks for 1.5 million people, how generous
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This has nothing to do with generousity. Israel doesn't contribute those supplies, but allows in basic supplies and has done so since the pullout. You do realize that if it was a one-off Gazans would have died of hunger.

Despite what you keep hearing here and on the BBC there is no food crisis in Gaza.
 
holyland red said:
This has nothing to do with generousity. Israel doesn't contribute those supplies, but allows in basic supplies and has done so since the pullout. You do realize that if it was a one-off Gazans would have died of hunger.

Despite what you keep hearing here and on the BBC there is no food crisis in Gaza.
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The deliberate policy of Israel is to allow the people of Gaza just enough to make sure they don't die in numbers that'll make the international community have to do something to stop you
 
Mozza said:
The deliberate policy of Israel is to allow the people of Gaza just enough to make sure they don't die in numbers that'll make the international community have to do something to stop you
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You must ask the question how a starving, under occupation territory with "chronic" shortages manages to have no shortage in rockets to fire.

Hamas should get their priorities straight and Israel along with Egypt can send their own aid surely. What I wonder is why can't Israel try buying off the Palestinians with generosity?
 
kuanteen said:
You must ask the question how a starving, under occupation territory with "chronic" shortages manages to have no shortage in rockets to fire.

Hamas should get their priorities straight and Israel along with Egypt can send their own aid surely. What I wonder is why can't Israel try buying off the Palestinians with generosity?
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They get their weapons from other countries, like Iran, I'm sure.

Hamas isn't going to give up weapons for food as Hamas's desires involve fighting. Hamas isn't going to stop fighting because people in the Gaza Strip are starving, as they believe that if they destroy Israel, people in the Gaza Strip will be better off.

When the UK was rationing in World War II, the government didn't decide to stop fighting for the sake of feeding their citizens.
 
holyland red said:
This has nothing to do with generousity. Israel doesn't contribute those supplies, but allows in basic supplies and has done so since the pullout. You do realize that if it was a one-off Gazans would have died of hunger.

Despite what you keep hearing here and on the BBC there is no food crisis in Gaza.
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My goodness Holyland that tops even your most obtuse comments of the past.

Type in food crisis Gaza into google and you will find reports from several countries and the UN stating exactly the opposite, so who to believe, a partisan on the forum or the rest of the world, toughy?
 
Fearless said:
Israeli losses form Arab wars & terror

War Of Independence (1947-49)
6,373

1956 War
231

1967 War
776

War of Attrition (1968-70)
1,424

1973 War
2,688

Lebanon War (1982-85)
1,216

Palestinian War (2000-2005)
328

Hizballah War (2006)
117

Miscellaneous engagements and terrorist attacks
(through mid-2005)
9,243

Total
22,396*
*This number includes disabled IDF veterans who later died from their wounds and non- IDF personnel who fell in the line of duty.

There are 17,967 members of bereaved families, as follows:

3,285 widows

4,457 single bereaved parents

4,029 bereaved parents (couples) - 8,058 individuals

2,167 orphans

There are 79,239 disabled veterans.

The total population of bereaved families and disabled IDF veterans cared for by the Defense Ministry Rehabilitation department numbers is currently 97,206.
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Well done, now how about you draw up some Palestinian and Lebanese casualties while you're at it.....or are their lives not equated to an Israeli life?
 
2Bullish said:
My goodness Holyland that tops even your most obtuse comments of the past.

Type in food crisis Gaza into google and you will find reports from several countries and the UN stating exactly the opposite, so who to believe, a partisan on the forum or the rest of the world, toughy?
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If you choose to believe that Israel is starving the Palestinians then so be it. I've heard posters on here and your ususal human-rights warriors saying that Israel is starving the Palestinians, forcing a blockade and basically making the Gaza Strip a prison. One wonders how is it then that not even one Palestinian has died of hunger. It's also a mystery why Palestinians are treated in Israeli hospitals at the same time Israel is doing its best to kill as many Palestinians as possible. Real holocaust as the Palestinians themselves call it.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
Hilarious. The US would never allow such a thing, but that was an enjoyable thought.
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It wouldn't be any different than the 100's of Indian Reservations throughout the United States.


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Answer to Nucks question...

Because the Palestinian people aren't amongst the minority. Meaning, more countries want the Jewish people out of the middle-east than there are people that want the Palestine people out.
 
holyland red said:
This has nothing to do with generousity. Israel doesn't contribute those supplies, but allows in basic supplies and has done so since the pullout. You do realize that if it was a one-off Gazans would have died of hunger.

Despite what you keep hearing here and on the BBC there is no food crisis in Gaza.
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WOW Israel just doesn't stop giving. You have no right to "control" what goes into Gaza. Oh and I just watched the news and the eight "hamas terrorists" you guys blew up (the video was released by israel) were in fact civilians who were loading oxgen tanks. I mean it must have been very easy for the Israeli air force to get those two mixed up.

On the argument of "if hamas had the weapons they'd wipe israel out", there's a difference between one side's intent to kill and another's massacre of the other due to the threat of the "intent". Also most countries wouldn't sit back and watch hamas wipe israel off the map and rightfully so too; but my anger is at people especially us and the states aiding israel and not condemning them.
 
Devil_forever said:
WOW Israel just doesn't stop giving. You have no right to "control" what goes into Gaza. Oh and I just watched the news and the eight "hamas terrorists" you guys blew up (the video was released by israel) were in fact civilians who were loading oxgen tanks. I mean it must have been very easy for the Israeli air force to get those two mixed up.

On the argument of "if hamas had the weapons they'd wipe israel out", there's a difference between one side's intent to kill and another's massacre of the other due to the threat of the "intent". Also most countries wouldn't sit back and watch hamas wipe israel off the map and rightfully so too; but my anger is at people especially us and the states aiding israel and not condemning them.
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Just out of curiosity - how would you have dealt with the 6000 Hamas rockets??
 
Devil_forever said:
WOW Israel just doesn't stop giving. You have no right to "control" what goes into Gaza. Oh and I just watched the news and the eight "hamas terrorists" you guys blew up (the video was released by israel) were in fact civilians who were loading oxgen tanks. I mean it must have been very easy for the Israeli air force to get those two mixed up.

On the argument of "if hamas had the weapons they'd wipe israel out", there's a difference between one side's intent to kill and another's massacre of the other due to the threat of the "intent". Also most countries wouldn't sit back and watch hamas wipe israel off the map and rightfully so too; but my anger is at people especially us and the states aiding israel and not condemning them.
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I'd say that most people in the US that read about what's going on, find the Israeli policy towards Palestine a gross execution of retribution. I would also bet that if it were put to a vote, as to whether to financially support Israel or not, they'd lose support for the way they brutally slaughter the Palestinian people or the Lebanese.

The way the Israelis had drawn Hezbulah into a conflict, two or three summers ago was an utter disgrace to the human race.
 
Fearless said:
Just out of curiosity - how would you have dealt with the 6000 Hamas rockets??
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Were you on a rooftop counting those rockets because if you read it somewhere, I wouldn't trust the Israeli press any more than Fox News.

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I watched the Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Meet the Press...


Sounds like the same old shit, a different year. Shame that they can't find a leader in Israel that would be willing to work towards workable solutions.
 
ooeat0meoo said:
I'd say that most people in the US that read about what's going on, find the Israeli policy towards Palestine a gross execution of retribution. I would also bet that if it were put to a vote, as to whether to financially support Israel or not, they'd lose support for the way they brutally slaughter the Palestinian people or the Lebanese.

The way the Israelis had drawn Hezbulah into a conflict, two or three summers ago was an utter disgrace to the human race.
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You must be a very busy man speaking to every American.

How did you do it? - phone, email, canvassing?
 
ooeat0meoo said:
I'd say that most people in the US that read about what's going on, find the Israeli policy towards Palestine a gross execution of retribution. I would also bet that if it were put to a vote, as to whether to financially support Israel or not, they'd lose support for the way they brutally slaughter the Palestinian people or the Lebanese.

The way the Israelis had drawn Hezbulah into a conflict, two or three summers ago was an utter disgrace to the human race.
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I don't think so. Especially considering the view of Hamas and their ilk.

ooeat0meoo said:
Were you on a rooftop counting those rockets because if you read it somewhere, I wouldn't trust the Israeli press any more than Fox News.
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But of course we can trust the reports of Hamas, the Palastinians and Al Jazeera, right? :rolleyes:
 
hmm....a top Hamas hawk killed....good news. Hopefully the rest of Hamas will see the light. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7807124.stm

x42bn6 said:
Hamas isn't going to stop fighting because people in the Gaza Strip are starving, as they believe that if they destroy Israel, people in the Gaza Strip will be better off.
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Then they are being stupid. This is a term war they have no hope of winning militarily. Their only viable strategy is to play international opinion by parading martyrs, innocents preferred, which is probably the only thing preventing Israel from nuking Gaza, bar radioactive fallout.

When the UK was rationing in World War II, the government didn't decide to stop fighting for the sake of feeding their citizens.
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Then by your logic its okay for Israeli to bomb Gaza because in a state of war, innocents are bound to be hurt while Israel is only responding to provocation.

Both sides like to tell the world to understand their intentions. Hamas is liberating Gaza from an occupation while Israel is fighting terrorists. The way out of this is for both sides to agree, which is unlikely, or for one side to be magnanimous, even more unlikely..
 
Cali Red said:
I don't think so. Especially considering the view of Hamas and their ilk.



But of course we can trust the reports of Hamas, the Palastinians and Al Jazeera, right? :rolleyes:
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I obviously don't trust hamas but I do trust my eyes. 1.5 million people barricaded into a small space like a herd of cows and then blown up to pieces but israel is kind enough to "control" the aid they get.
 
kuanteen said:
Both sides like to tell the world to understand their intentions. Hamas is liberating Gaza from an occupation while Israel is fighting terrorists. The way out of this is for both sides to agree, which is unlikely, or for one side to be magnanimous, even more unlikely..
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Excellent point. And you are right, more than likely neither side will concede anything meaningful and this will continue until an all out war involving many nations (at some point) takes place.
 
Devil_forever said:
I obviously don't trust hamas but I do trust my eyes. 1.5 million people barricaded into a small space like a herd of cows and then blown up to pieces but israel is kind enough to "control" the aid they get.
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1.5 million people of which a majority elected a terrorist organization as their government. Not a good choice.
 
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