I like Valencia over Nani already by quite a margin.
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its safe the say valencia is quicker off the mark than nani and a lot more powerful!
that skill was against fulham, i was there
I think he has done well in pre season also. He is also still very young, so he might turn up very good for us. Nani and Valencia on the left and right, will be nice
Anyone who thinks Nani is "rather shit" need their head checked. The boy clearly has tremendous technique, give him time.
I'm only messing, he just frustrates me so much.
His technique is unquestionable, the ability to ever go from a player with lots of potential to a quality winger, is. He's been here 2 years, and I don't think he's matured at all. You still see Fergie et al screaming at him to pass it.
Nani has far more potential than Valenica. Don't get me wrong Valencia looks a decent winger but not in the same league (potentially wise) as Nani.
Valencia seems like a quiet lad. One of those players who needs the arm round the shoulder support. What's suprised me (about him) is how powerfully built he is for a winger. He's huge! And how fast. oh baby, cant wait to see him unleashed on the Prem (in a proper attacking team that is - Wigan didnt count )
)I think if Nani prefers the left side it's probably because he'd rather have a go at goal with his right than merely cross the ball with his right from the right wing. Whatever, it looks like we have plenty of options up front. I'm more concerned about the lack of creativity from m/f - unless we bypass m/f by winging it.
His own team-mates seem to have the hump with him too. Giggsy completely lost the rag last night when he rolled a short pass to Nani and he stood still, ball-watching, while his marker strolled around from behind him and intercepted.
There was a big thread about "football intelligence" and I said I thought it was about knowing where everyone is on the pitch at any instant, without having to look around. Nani frequently seems to have no clue what the feck's going on around him. I hope he can learn this but I'm not terribly hopeful. I think it's easier to learn to make the right decisions (which Ronaldo did) than it is to learn how to intuitively 'know' what's going on around you. At the risk of sounding a bit Scholesy, I don't think that can be learned.
For the record, I'm an incredibly unintelligent footballer. All I ever see is the ball. Haven't the faintest clue where everyone else is unless I look for them.
He was great against Green Dong United or whatever the other night. He's happier against shite players.
The fact that we have both nani, valencia is good and they will both have ups and downs during the season. I think Nani perhaps gets a lot of stick because the potential is great in him but it's important the fans back him to give him confidence
Have people forgotten how Ronaldo used to be?
I wouldn't mind seeing valencia in the middle now and then as his workrate is great and he's a strong lad. However it's still early doors.
Have people forgotten how Ronaldo used to be?
I wouldn't mind seeing valencia in the middle now and then as his workrate is great and he's a strong lad. However it's still early doors.
Totally agree.
You can see it when we are on the counter and Nani is the one running the ball out of defence..he hasn't a clue where he's going, what he's gonna do, or where his team mates are. He just runs, and usually ends up going into another back ally. Its so incredibly frustrating, especially as he does have fantastic technique. He just hasnt got a clue how to use it, and most worryingly hasnt, in 2 years, seemed to have improved that aspect of his game.
Are you saying Valencia has less potential because Nani's technique is better ? if so thats simple not true. Valenica's directness shouldn't be underestimated. Valencia is alot more team orientated than Nani and has a better understanding of the word team. Not being harsh on Nani its just not part of his game right now.
That being said Nani has impressed me in the last 2 matches and is capable of so much when things fall right for him, its his impact and value to the team when things go against him that still leaves a question mark over his head.
I thought last night's match was encouraging from Nani against a decent opposition even if it's pre_season.I think he seemed a little bit more focused on his decision and was looking to link up with Evra like Ronaldo was so efficiently doing at times but what impressed me the most was his willingness to get stuck in and retrieve the ball as well as working hard to create space and chances.
New Kanchelskis???
Not just his technique, alot of posters are claiming he doesn't know where his team mates are but I seem to recall that when Ronaldo, Ronney, Anderson, Tevez and Nani all played together for quite a few games in the 07/08 season they found each other with one touch football, so maybe its the players that are now being picked (08/09 season) that are simply not on the same wave length as Nani.
I agree with all of that. Having just slated Nani I should point out I thought he did very well, playing against one of the best full-backs in the game. Nani got a fair bit of joy going forwards and Lahm was kept very quiet in our half. Job well done.
Your post sort of proves the point though, your recalling a couple of games from 2 seasons ago. He should be producing that regularly by now. God knows he's capable. If this debate is still ranging in 12 months time I think we may see him shipped out.
That post is also fairly typical of the Ronaldo-Tevez fanbois who don't think anyone at the club can pass a football unless they're of hispanic descent, or Wayne Rooney.
Yes I fecking know Brazilians aren't technically hispanic but you get my drift.
I know what you mean about his inconsistancy but I just wonder if thats more down to the lack of first team opportunities and the players he is being played alongside. But he needs to adapt to the players around him and you are probably right that if this element of his game has not improved by next summer he will be shipped out (Not sure when his contract expires either end of next season or the following)
Nani in the final third can be excellent, he can get past 1 or 2 players and usually has decent delivery. Plus his workrate is excellent, as proved yesterday. He was like a bullterrier against Lahm and kept him quiet.
Where he struggles is if he receives the ball around the middle. He doesnt know what to do, is not aware of his teammates and always stops play and needs time to think. If he doesnt see anyone, he starts to dribble to the midfield, and as it is crowded, he often loses the ball and thats frustrating. That is where he has to improve if he wants to be a success.
Where he struggles is if he receives the ball around the middle. He doesnt know what to do, is not aware of his teammates and always stops play and needs time to think. If he doesnt see anyone, he starts to dribble to the midfield, and as it is crowded, he often loses the ball and thats frustrating. That is where he has to improve if he wants to be a success.
Not true.
Ok then, you've twice blames "players he's played alongside" as the reason for Nani under-performing.
First, name those players and second, explain why Valencia didn't find them such a crippling hindrance to his game?
The guy doesn't smile much, does he?
Valencia has only played twice and I thought we are discussing consistancy and I am not blaming the players he is playing alongside I am simply stating that Nani doesn't seem to be able to adapt to playing with a different blend of player(s) and again that may be due to lack of first team opportunities.
Heard someone else say that. I sort of disagree, he does track back which is great but he’s possibly worse at tackling than Scholes! He goes to ground virtually straight away when tracking back. Bit of a liability like that.
Kanchelskis used to have a similar strike on him. Let's hope Antonio can get the goals Kenchelskis used too. He left much too soon btw. Could have been a legend here
Yesterday, he was sprinting back everytime Lahm got forward, put him constantly under pressure and helped Evra a lot. When Bayern got dangerous, mainly through the middle or the left. The right was closed down by Nani und Evra. It's just the tackling, workrate is also putting the other players under pressure, making sure the defender gets support and is not exposed. Nani did that very very well and it's a very positive attribute in my book
It's still much better than someone who just sits on his ass and wait for the ball to come to him instead of making a minimal effort to retrieve it.Besides last night he showed he could do a very good at helping out his full-back
If that was the case then we wouldn't have signed him. Some players like Rooney learn that ability from a very young age, which leads to the misconception that you're "born" with it. That is nonsense, some people pick it up easier than others. When I started off playing football I struggled really badly to know what was going on around me but after years of playing I would say my awareness has improved a great extent.
In future, when your theory agrees with Scholesy to any extent, then you know you're wrong
Not a bad rule of thumb that.If that was the case then we wouldn't have signed him. Some players like Rooney learn that ability from a very young age, which leads to the misconception that you're "born" with it. That is nonsense, some people pick it up easier than others. When I started off playing football I struggled really badly to know what was going on around me but after years of playing I would say my awareness has improved a great extent.
In future, when your theory agrees with Scholesy to any extent, then you know you're wrong
Our best 2 midfield combos next season (assuming Hargo is fecked all season) IMO will be
Nani Fletcher Carrick Valencia
Nani Anderson Carrick Valencia
Basically I see Nani and Valencia as first choice Lw/RW with Park, Tosic and Obertan all fighting to be the backups.
If Ribery came in, Nani would be as good as finished at United by the end of the season.
Nani Fletcher Carrick Valencia
Nani Anderson Carrick Valencia
Basically I see Nani and Valencia as first choice Lw/RW with Park, Tosic and Obertan all fighting to be the backups.
If Ribery came in, Nani would be as good as finished at United by the end of the season.
Nani is going to be superb this season.
Look at the number of starts he had last season. You need a run in the side before you can start to think about producing any real form.
His first season was fine. Last season was a dip but he'll produce this season - we have a good balance if you add the qualities of Valencia and Nani together.
Look at the number of starts he had last season. You need a run in the side before you can start to think about producing any real form.
His first season was fine. Last season was a dip but he'll produce this season - we have a good balance if you add the qualities of Valencia and Nani together.
He had few starts for a reason, he was awful. A bit of a catch 22 that I know.
But at a top club you need to take your chance(s).
I really cant wait to see nani and valencia on either wing. If nani adds a bit of maturity to his game then he can be very good for us, valencia will prove his quality and improve his output being surround by better players and hopefully we can have a more all round threat this season. They are both very potent and still are quite different to one and other.
I Hope they can get 15-20 goals between them, it defiantly is possible.
Is valencia the quickest player at united now???
I Hope they can get 15-20 goals between them, it defiantly is possible.
Is valencia the quickest player at united now???
Not to mention that we'll have 2/5's of the Jackson 5 running down our wings.
Nani does worry me. He just hasn't seemed to improve in any way in the last two seasons. I keep telling myself that he just needs games which he should get this season, but deep down I don't really believe that he'll ever step up to the level of consistency needed.
Half now
101% confidence player. You can see it when he dwells on the ball, reluctant to try and burst past his marker, sometimes electing a backpass instead. Whereas in his first season as you said, he was much different and was beating players for fun.
Nani has the ability but needs the confidence and consistency to go along with it. Valencia on the other hand, seems to be a rather strong character that is just waiting to explode on a bigger stage. Hopefully he'll deliver the goods in the league.
I agree 100%. Good post.
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