One of the rare things we agree on.It's weird to such a technical english player, they're so rare
Wilshere - where does the hype come from?
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I suggest you read these:
Zidane:
Zidane: Scholes is the Greatest 22 April 2009 - 10:08 | Sport.co.uk
Xavi:
Xavi interview: Paul Scholes is the best midfielder in last 20 years | Mail Online
Pirlo:
No comments from the Italian. Presumably he feels he has no business passing judgment on a player twice as good as him.
Has the OP changed his thinking about Jack Wilshere or does he still feel he is overrated?
Xavi is as good as Scholes if not better sometimes but Pirlo? Really? Are you just pissed your team does not have a midfielder as good as Scholesy?
No.........he isnt.
Seems to have come into his own the past month. Has looked incredible.
Yeah I think that's fair really. It was always clear that he was immensely talented but only in the last month or so has he really taken the "holding" role into his own. Initially he was sometimes liable to getting caught a bit in possession and being a bit naive defensively but he's adjusted very quickly to a fairly unforgiving role.
What separates him from other midfielders of his ilk is that he seems to have that Scholes-like ability of being able to see everything around him without having to look up. Being able to spot a pass and turn out of trouble when being pressured is something so rare to see from an English player.
How do the Gooners think he'll fit in the long term? Reckon he'll be moved forward with Ramsey taking the deeper role? (assuming Fabregas leaves)
Pirlo? fecking Pirlo? 
Scholes is one of the best midfielder of all time IMO and for such a quiet man not in the limelight he has an awful lot players or ex players saying how he's one of the best they've seen or played against.
Strachan - said recently on TV covering a game that Scholes is the best he's seen
Zidane - said he REGRETS not having played in the same team as Scholes
Davids - " I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is"
Xavi - "he's the best midfield player of the last 15 -20 years"
Vierra - said you can never get near him
Schmeichel, "he's got the highest low level of any player"
Rio on twitter - "Sat nav"
Someone should ask Wilshere what he thinks of Scholes, maybe that will matter.
Scholes is one of the best midfielder of all time IMO and for such a quiet man not in the limelight he has an awful lot players or ex players saying how he's one of the best they've seen or played against. Strachan - said recently on TV covering a game that Scholes is the best he's seen
Zidane - said he REGRETS not having played in the same team as Scholes
Davids - " I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is"
Xavi - "he's the best midfield player of the last 15 -20 years"
Vierra - said you can never get near him
Schmeichel, "he's got the highest low level of any player"
Rio on twitter - "Sat nav"
Someone should ask Wilshere what he thinks of Scholes, maybe that will matter.
Not forgetting that Del Bosque said that he would have signed Scholes for RM instead of Beckham or OwenPirlo? fecking Pirlo?
Strachan - said recently on TV covering a game that Scholes is the best he's seen
Zidane - said he REGRETS not having played in the same team as Scholes
Davids - " I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is"
Xavi - "he's the best midfield player of the last 15 -20 years"
Vierra - said you can never get near him
Schmeichel, "he's got the highest low level of any player"
Rio on twitter - "Sat nav"
Someone should ask Wilshere what he thinks of Scholes, maybe that will matter.
Okay okayPirlo? fecking Pirlo?
Strachan - said recently on TV covering a game that Scholes is the best he's seen
Zidane - said he REGRETS not having played in the same team as Scholes
Davids - " I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is"
Xavi - "he's the best midfield player of the last 15 -20 years"
Vierra - said you can never get near him
Schmeichel, "he's got the highest low level of any player"
Rio on twitter - "Sat nav"
Someone should ask Wilshere what he thinks of Scholes, maybe that will matter.
Paul Scholes is a great player. I think we've got that established
How 'great' he is / was is always up for debate but no on would argue his place in the game as a confirmed "great" player
Does that mean there will be no other great players after him then. He's exclusively Utd's property and on that basis no one will ever be better or is allowed to be better ?
Does this mean he is 'hallowed turf' then nobody deserves the right to be compared to him
When another player comes along is there some bolloxed up secret Utd ruling that it 's not allowed !
Fk that - there are very very good players around and we compare them to the 'default' the benchmark' standards set by great players Scholes being one of them
Just cos he's a Utd legend does'nt exempt him from being compared.
Wilshere shows concrete signs already (not heresay, not myth) of the gifts that Scholes has - in fact a few people I think have pointed out he may have a quality here and there that Scholes doe'snt have but he's young and it basically remains to be seen wether he can acquire more or bring out more of the fantastic abilities Scholes has shown over the years
Atm Jack Wilshere is about the closest thing to Scoles this country has seen in 15 years and hopefully in respect of England will be better. For Arsenal its an imponderable as it will depend on manager and teammates as well so the jury is out untill a couple more years but he's already made a phenomenal start
If you're all getting this upset right now about Wilshere possibly becoming as good as Scholes in the future then I suspect you're in for a hard time
Until he starts to score in the same way Scholes does and demonstrate an uncanny ability to arrive late in the box...we'll be waiting another 15 years.Okay okay
Paul Scholes is a great player. I think we've got that established
How 'great' he is / was is always up for debate but no on would argue his place in the game as a confirmed "great" player
Does that mean there will be no other great players after him then. He's exclusively Utd's property and on that basis no one will ever be better or is allowed to be better ?
Does this mean he is 'hallowed turf' then nobody deserves the right to be compared to him
When another player comes along is there some bolloxed up secret Utd ruling that it 's not allowed !
Fk that - there are very very good players around and we compare them to the 'default' the benchmark' standards set by great players Scholes being one of them
Just cos he's a Utd legend does'nt exempt him from being compared.
Wilshere shows concrete signs already (not heresay, not myth) of the gifts that Scholes has - in fact a few people I think have pointed out he may have a quality here and there that Scholes doe'snt have but he's young and it basically remains to be seen wether he can acquire more or bring out more of the fantastic abilities Scholes has shown over the years
Atm Jack Wilshere is about the closest thing to Scoles this country has seen in 15 years and hopefully in respect of England will be better. For Arsenal its an imponderable as it will depend on manager and teammates as well so the jury is out untill a couple more years but he's already made a phenomenal start
If you're all getting this upset right now about Wilshere possibly becoming as good as Scholes in the future then I suspect you're in for a hard time
In Arsenal's defence I'd say Fabregas comes closest to Scholes in scoring important goals and passing ability
I think it was Xavi who said that had Scholes been Spanish he'd be appreciated a lot more by people in the game.
Reading some of these comments in here I'd have to agree.
Reading some of these comments in here I'd have to agree.
Bollocks. Everyone knows how good Paul Scholes is in here.
People seem really sensitive about Paul Scholes when anything other then 'he is the best player after Zidane' is mentioned..
Wouldn't agree with Wilshire being more technical than Rooney. Throughout Rooney's career, he has pulled off some genuinely draw-dropping stuff. His inconsistency sometimes makes you forget what incredible technique he has when on form.
It was like the other day when he had that turn in the second half that put him clear of two surrounding defenders. It was obscenely good. Wilshere has fantastic technique, but I don't think we should be throwing around that sort of comment lightly.
Bebe makes him look like Messi.
Unfortunately not - he always seems to get underrated, even by United fans.
Spot on. On here its a crime to not accept that Scholes isn't up there with Zidane.
Is he better than Ballack or Deco though Chiefy?
At their best they are equal to him at his best. I don't have a single doubt about that.
Wow
I don't know. I can see what you're getting at here, but I just disagree. Scholes offers such a fantastic all-round threat at his best, and I think Ballack and Deco at their best are just in that tier below.
Bollocks.
I'm not sensitive in the slightest. But when people are comparing Deco and Ballack to Scholes I'd say my thoughts are correct. He's not appreciated as much as he should because he's quite easily better than Deco and Ballack.
Is Scholes better than Zidane? No, I don't think he is. But he's a lot closer to that standard than Ballack and bloody Deco.
It's not because he's not Spanish though, it's cos he's Scholes and shuns endorsements, interviews, publicity and hype. He could easily have a far greater profile - and the accompanying acclaim - if he wanted.
Most of the Professional Footballers(not just ordinrary footballers, the likes of Xavi, Davids etc) and Managers rate Scholes as one of the best in the world , but when that same point is made by a United fan, than it's because they're biased. Stunning logic that.
Deco and Ballack equal to Scholes-
Deco and Ballack equal to Scholes-
I realise its not because he's Spanish, although I reckon the Spanish are more appreciative of the kind of qualities Scholes has. The typical stereotype of a 'Lion' like Terry does tend to get noticed. Especially in years gone by.
I used the Xavi point to get my own point across in that maybe he doesn't get the acclaim he should, thats all.
Sure - wasn't responding specifically to your post. More to Xavi actually, in case he's reading.
Ballack was one of the best players in the world in 2002 and Deco was instrumental in Rijkaard's Barca team. At their best, they were both brilliant players. It's not like Chief is comparing Scholes with some no mark midfielders.
Don't really see the need to ridicule Pirlo either, who's set the tempo for Milan for many years.Claymore said:
I'm not saying they no mark midfielders. Scholes is better than those 3 mentioned though in my opinion.
He may be, but Chief was comparing them all at their best. The Deco and Ballack at Chelsea were a poor imitation of what they were at the best. Pirlo at his best is incredible as well, up there with Scholes with long passing and can also do these long range passes with his weaker foot. Incredibly talented player.
Scholes may be better than all three, but it's not smiley worthy, especially when comparing them all at peak form.
Fair enough.
That's maybe 10% opinion of the entire forum. So it proves my point.
Also, at their best Ballack and Deco were amazing players. Better than Scholes? I doubt it, comparable? Certainly IMO.
I disagree, frankly, and their reputations are irrefutably tarnished by their efforts for Chelsea in my opinion, especially Ballack's who was 29 when he arrived on astronomical wages at Chelsea and should surely have been capable of making at least some impact, even if only in Europe. Having seen him a lot for Leverkusen, Bayern and Germany I've always thought him overrated, even in 2002 when he was apparently 'one of the best in the world'. If he was truly great he'd have been able to adapt to a foreign league, as I'm sure Scholes could have done if he'd ever fancied it. Still, I wonder what would have happened had Ballack moved to United...
Really though, what's the point of coming onto a United forum and complaining United fans are a touch defensive of one of their club's most cherished players? Let's face it, you're hardly in a position to complain of bias yourself, are you?
Ballack at his best was a monster of a midfielder and easily the best midfielder in the world. His final season with Leverkusen was unreal. Yes he was as good as Scholes at his peak.
Pirlo is badly underrated imo. He's inconsistent, but he has the best passing range of any player in the past 10 years. When he is on song he consistently pulls off very difficult and precise passes others simply can't or won't do.
Deco... Not as good though I love him as a type of player.
As for all the quotes, I don't really give much for footballer opinions. And I bet most of you weren't very willing to agree with Zidane when he claimed Gerrard was the best footballer in the world bar none.
Pirlo is badly underrated imo. He's inconsistent, but he has the best passing range of any player in the past 10 years. When he is on song he consistently pulls off very difficult and precise passes others simply can't or won't do.
Deco... Not as good though I love him as a type of player.
As for all the quotes, I don't really give much for footballer opinions. And I bet most of you weren't very willing to agree with Zidane when he claimed Gerrard was the best footballer in the world bar none.
Honestly in my mind I'd rate Zidane and Riquelme as the two best midfielder I've ever seen playing. Follow by them would be Scholes and Xavi. Then you have the likes of Pirlo, Deco, Ballack etc
Ok
I don't get why you are being so sensitive about this.
I said that Scholes is a better player than either, but you aren't willing to accept they can be be comparable at their best..
So we can't debate a United player now? Really, shut down the forum.
Unbelievable comment. Ballack and Deco at their best would have swapped with Scholes' ability now, let alone a few years ago.
Erm Paul scholes that's all.
That's not true at all, he can operate from deep but players like Scholes or Fabregas can do that or influence things in the final third. His passing is Alonso-like - very accurate but largely uninventive.
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