Swansea City 2:1 Manchester United

Momochiru · Aug 31, 2015

Adisa said:
Predicted all 11 players, so that's 17 points and 3 bonus points for predictions the substitutes

I did the same, but got only 17 points.

Maradona10 · Aug 31, 2015

@horsechoker
Does that mean Liverpool are better than city right NOW too? What kind of argument is that? showing me their trophies? I am talking about playing style and how they are doing things in transfer market

, how they insist on rooney when they are past it and you show me their past achievements. LVG might have won alot but he isnt close to having anything called a team here. This "team" isnt close to challenging for the title, we can bump up threads of lets laugh at liverpool,but right now we need to look at what is happening here and shout at ourselves.
If you are a stat man-
Moyes- 51 games for united - 27 wins
Van gaal- 50 games for united 27 wins

I hated the minute moyes was appointed cause i knew it wasnt the right choice, with lvg i knew he would do a job and was looking forward to his tenure and its been exctly the same. Moyes got 6 wins on the trot, Lvg got same. moyes lost it in the end and ended just few points behind LVG's total last year, with LVG having an advantage of no europe for full year and a Liverpool team that came back to its shitness. The facts are facts, Right now LVG is not doing any better than moyes, I love the club and not one man who manages it and i am not blind that i cannot see what is and what is not working. We are resorting to moyes tactics by playing fellaini as a 9, we arepassing ball sideways and backkwards without doing anything with it again moyes did the same, next all we have to do is cross 890 times against some team like west brom and our years under LVG and moyes will be exactly the same.

You can be sure that if we dont sign an attacker now and we loose to liverpool, which in itself will be diabolical considering their defense and lack of coutinho, the knives will be out for him. Its lack of preparation in transfer market,stubborn and lazy management that is causing us to be an embarrassment to our own name. He revealed he is asking from rooney what team he should select when rooney is the one who shouldnt be in the team. Shambles of a club we are right now and the manager is responsible. When you fight a battle and you lose you do not blame a specific soldier, you blame preparation, tactics and the head of strategy. I hope you get my point.

horsechoker · Aug 31, 2015

Maradona10 said:
@horsechoker
Does that mean Liverpool are better than city right NOW too? What kind of argument is that? showing me their trophies? I am talking about playing style and how they are doing things in transfer market, how they insist on rooney when they are past it and you show me their past achievements. LVG might have won alot but he isnt close to having anything called a team here. This "team" isnt close to challenging for the title, we can bump up threads of lets laugh at liverpool,but right now we need to look at what is happening here and shout at ourselves.
If you are a stat man-
Moyes- 51 games for united - 27 wins
Van gaal- 50 games for united 27 wins

I hated the minute moyes was appointed cause i knew it wasnt the right choice, with lvg i knew he would do a job and was looking forward to his tenure and its been exctly the same. Moyes got 6 wins on the trot, Lvg got same. moyes lost it in the end and ended just few points behind LVG's total last year, with LVG having an advantage of no europe for full year and a Liverpool team that came back to its shitness. The facts are facts, Right now LVG is not doing any better than moyes, I love the club and not one man who manages it and i am not blind that i cannot see what is and what is not working. We are resorting to moyes tactics by playing fellaini as a 9, we arepassing ball sideways and backkwards without doing anything with it again moyes did the same, next all we have to do is cross 890 times against some team like west brom and our years under LVG and moyes will be exactly the same.

You can be sure that if we dont sign an attacker now and we loose to liverpool, which in itself will be diabolical considering their defense and lack of coutinho, the knives will be out for him. Its lack of preparation in transfer market,stubborn and lazy management that is causing us to be an embarrassment to our own name. He revealed he is asking from rooney what team he should select when rooney is the one who shouldnt be in the team. Shambles of a club we are right now and the manager is responsible. When you fight a battle and you lose you do not blame a specific soldier, you blame preparation, tactics and the head of strategy. I hope you get my point.

Are you really arguing that Moyes is on the same level as Van Gaal?

You can't compare the two, its obvious who the better manager is. Moyes took our team downward and LVG had to start from an even lower posistion than which Moyes started. Moyes dithered in the transfer marker, LVG has improved our squad from what it was.

Also no of course Liverpool aren't better than City at this present time. Teams change and we are comparing these two over a hundred years. With David Moyes and LVG we are comparing two individuals over a 20 year period. It's clear who the better manager is.

I wasn't happy with yesterday's performance either or some of the performances we have put in, but to say LVG is the Dutch Moyes or whatever is just stupid. Even if LVG is sacked this season, he still did more for this club than Moyes ever did.

moses · Aug 31, 2015

Damien said:
To Arsenal:
09-11-1997 (A) - lost 3:2
14-03-1998 (H) - lost 1:0
20-09-1998 (A) - lost 3:0

To Chelsea:
08-11-2009 (A) - lost 1:0
03-04-2010 (H) - lost 2:1
01-03-2011 (A) - lost 2:1

To Liverpool:
17-12-2000 (H) - lost 1:0
31-03-2001 (A) - lost 2:0
04-11-2001 (A) - lost 3:1
22-01-2002 (H) - lost 1:0

13-09-2008 (A) - lost 2:1
14-03-2009 (H) - lost 4:1
25-10-2009 (A) - lost 2:0

To Manchester City:
08-04-2013 (H) - lost 2:1
22-09-2013 (A) - lost 4:1
25-03-2014 (H) - lost 3:0
02-11-2014 (A) - lost 1:0

To West Ham:
17-12-2006 (A) - lost 1:0
13-05-2007 (H) - lost 1:0
29-12-2007 (A) - lost 2:1

Cheers Damo, you're the bestest nerd we have, by miles.

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Damien said:
To Arsenal:
09-11-1997 (A) - lost 3:2
14-03-1998 (H) - lost 1:0
20-09-1998 (A) - lost 3:0

To Chelsea:
08-11-2009 (A) - lost 1:0
03-04-2010 (H) - lost 2:1
01-03-2011 (A) - lost 2:1

To Liverpool:
17-12-2000 (H) - lost 1:0
31-03-2001 (A) - lost 2:0
04-11-2001 (A) - lost 3:1
22-01-2002 (H) - lost 1:0

13-09-2008 (A) - lost 2:1
14-03-2009 (H) - lost 4:1
25-10-2009 (A) - lost 2:0

To Manchester City:
08-04-2013 (H) - lost 2:1
22-09-2013 (A) - lost 4:1
25-03-2014 (H) - lost 3:0
02-11-2014 (A) - lost 1:0

To West Ham:
17-12-2006 (A) - lost 1:0
13-05-2007 (H) - lost 1:0
29-12-2007 (A) - lost 2:1

None of these teams are Swansea level, plus we almost always went on to win the league. These data are irrelevant and no comparison. If LvG brings us to win the league no one will even mind about the shameful Swansea losses. LvG didn't have a clue to handle Swansea. He admitted it in his post match interview

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Raw said:
Ferguson would have got us charging forward for a goal now. Not this shit.

Fergie would have been giving his hair drying treatment in HT and when Swansea levelled, he would have been be up standing on the touch line directing and driving his players forward, instead of squaring the ball to the sides recycling it backward with the sole aim of keeping the fecking 65% possession.

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

mav_9me said:
I have never turned it off before the final whistle but I cannot accept this hoofball. Not that it matters or anybody cares but I cannot support LVG if he wants to play like this.

Terrible football and loss: worst of both worlds

Unlikely lad · Aug 31, 2015

redevil2 said:
None of these teams are Swansea level, plus we almost always went on to win the league. These data are irrelevant and no comparison. If LvG brings us to win the league no one will even mind about the shameful Swansea losses. LvG didn't have a clue to handle Swansea. He admitted it in his post match interview

Pretty sure Swansea are better than West Ham

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Unlikely lad said:
Pretty sure Swansea are better than West Ham

Currently or generally? In any event, West Ham just thrashed Liverpool 3-0 in the weekend do you know? Swansea is not even even an English team... lol. And when was Swansea being promoted to the PL anyway? Just a few years. Gary Monk > LvG

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Sam said:
That game went pretty much exactly how most of us predicted.

Lots of possession, very little chances, sucker punched.

Plus, players looking nervous, non creative, nothing to show what United was made of... and making sure there is no fear factor any more... Last season all over again! Geez I dreaded weekends!

Unlikely lad · Aug 31, 2015

redevil2 said:
Currently or generally? In any event, West Ham just thrashed Liverpool 3-0 in the weekend do you know? Swansea is not even even an English team... lol. And when was Swansea being promoted to the PL anyway? Just a few years. Gary Monk > LvG

Wow

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Owngoalscorer said:
Its early days still but this is a worrying result
First of all we were easily leapfrogged in the league by the team that beat us and predictably failed to take advantage of direct rivals failings by doing exactly the same ourselves - not exactly the best way to move up the table
Secondly and more importantly real lack of leadership from the bench - I wonder what LvGs halftime talk consists of? It doesn't seem to have much effect. No plan B because the system that is being drummed into the players doesn't permit one... it's plan A all the way ad infinitum. Our play is predictable, the subs are predictable and apart from the mysterious inclusion of Chicha even the bench was 100% same shizzle.
Now we're gonna get two days panic buying at over-inflated prices to snag some star who will predictably fail because he'll be bought to sell chewing gum in Afghanistan rather than play in the Prem.
And after that, an international break where Rooney will fill is boots against Andorra or some such...

1. It's official: if we have Gary Monk without our budgets and players, we wouldn't have lost to Swansea three on a trot
2. HT talk? Something along these lines: keep possession and remember my football philosophy.
3. Plan B? You're joking mate. It's not written on the leather note pad he's carrying. Where is he supposed to know?
4. As far as plan A goes, even the tea lady has it figured if she's working at OT long enough, it's attacking and winning; Keeping possession at leisure for the sake of it when we are 3 or 4-0 up.
Our current plan A though is to keep the fecking ball, whilst we are down or needing a goal or three! This plan A is to apply to every team whether they park a bus or attacking, physical or tactical.
5. Panic buying? Yeah, agreed what you're saying. Who wants to join us now except for the £££££££££? There won't be players like RvP who desperately wanted to join us for trophy! Sigh

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Unlikely lad said:
Wow

Why? Last time I checked they are Welsh. What's your problem?

Unlikely lad · Aug 31, 2015

redevil2 said:
Why? Last time I checked they are Welsh. What's your problem?

Yeah, and that obviously means they're worse than West Ham :lol:

Swansea are a team that should be finishing just behind the top 6 (maybe even infant of Spurs if Kane doesn't have a good season), suggesting that West Ham is/were a better team is laughable anyway.

redevil2 · Aug 31, 2015

Unlikely lad said:
Yeah, and that obviously means they're worse than West Ham

Swansea are a team that should be finishing just behind the top 6 (maybe even infant of Spurs if Kane doesn't have a good season), suggesting that West Ham is/were a better team is laughable anyway.

I was putting a lol after I mentioned Swansea is not even a English team, obviously it was tongue in cheek! You then had nothing to argue about and mock that part apparently knowing I was right in every aspect. Anyway, laugh what you will, but bear this in mind:
west ham 3 Swansea 1 - Dec 2014
West ham 2 Swansea 0 - Feb 2014

Niall · Sep 2, 2015

Man-United said:
Now that Blind clearly is a defender for LvG, is it possible to change him to defender in the lineup predictions?

Pexbo said:
I did wonder the same. I asked @Niall about Valencia being moved into defence last season but I think it messes with the database or something. It would be nice if Valencia was in the defenders this season though considering he's a right back.

FYI Blind is now listed as a defender.

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