Florida Man
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You guys are falling for Cold War 2.0 propaganda
None whatsoever.What hope do we have when this is an "educated" persons response
When muslim countries don't care then why should others ? The others wont do anything unless there is something in it for them.Uigher lives dont matter as much to the world. The fact that theyre muslims makes it less of a priority. Thats the truth.
Do Islamic countries themselves care?Uigher lives dont matter as much to the world. The fact that theyre muslims makes it less of a priority. Thats the truth.
Part of issues like this is obviously what gets reported and by whom. I've looked for hints, but didn't find much that casts serious doubt on what's commonly accepted about the situation in Xinjiang. (Details are always trickier, of course.) What is it you're thinking of?You guys are falling for Cold War 2.0 propaganda
I'm not talking about countries caring. Countries don't act on emotion and only care if there is any benefit in it for them. I'm talking about people and people don't care.Do Islamic countries themselves care?
Wow what a silly response. You should be ashamed.When muslim countries don't care then why should others ? The others wont do anything unless there is something in it for them.
OK, but what are you implying with the bolded part?I'm not talking about countries caring. Countries don't act on emotion and only care if there is any benefit in it for them. I'm talking about people and people don't care.
Uigher lives dont matter as much to the world. The fact that theyre muslims makes it less of a priority. Thats the truth.
Keep on living in fairyland.Wow what a silly response. You should be ashamed.
Come on, you must realize this comment on its own is inherently inadequate. The only person who has any idea what you're saying here is you, for the rest of us it could mean anything from "China is completely innocent" to "China is utterly guilty". Explain and/or back up your point.You guys are falling for Cold War 2.0 propaganda
I am implying what I said about people. For countries not to act is a different reason but people don't show much empathy or care. You have folks on here saying they should realistically give up their identity instead of fighting against it. People don't care specifically because of who it is that is impacted and I am talking about general population.OK, but what are you implying with the bolded part?
Keep on living with an agenda.Keep on living in fairyland.
Part of issues like this is obviously what gets reported and by whom. I've looked for hints, but didn't find much that casts serious doubt on what's commonly accepted about the situation in Xinjiang. (Details are always trickier, of course.) What is it you're thinking of?
We must first start with some initial points because context and all that jazz. China is seen by the US and its lapdogs in "the west" as an economic and geopolitical rival. The US will do anything, and I mean anything, to ensure that their place on top of the perch is unchanged and unchallenged. It's not too controversial on here to say that the US has repeatedly lied time and time again to invoke foreign intervention on nations that they don't like, with every single case having disastrous consequences. One only needs to go back a few years: Syria, Libya, Iraq. I think we're all aware enough of those situations as they are today. It is also not too controversial to say that the US has armed and trained Islamic fundamentalist groups to advance their geopolitical agenda, which has been going on since at least the 70s. Hmm, I wonder how that all turned out these days?Come on, you must realize this comment on its own is inherently inadequate. The only person who has any idea what you're saying here is you, for the rest of us it could mean anything from "China is completely innocent" to "China is utterly guilty". Explain and/or back up your point.
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and this copypastaA born-again Christian who claims to preach at his local church, Adrian Zenz is a lecturer at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible [to be] the ultimate foundation and the “final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.” Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.” Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.
to give you an idea of who this guy is.So now we have a good sense of who Adrian Zenz is: an end-times evangelical nutjob. In addition he is a fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Fund, an organization founded by the US government in 1993 by Ukrainian nationalist Lev Dobriansky and co-chaired by Yaroslav Stetsko, a literal Nazi. VoC effectively acts as a propaganda arm of the US gov.
Radio Free AsiaIstiqlal TV advances the separatist cause while playing host to an assortment of extremist figures. One such character who often appears on Istiqlal TV is Abdulkadir Yapuquan, a reported leader of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a separatist group that aims to establish an independent homeland in Xinjiang called East Turkestan. ETIM has been designated as a terrorist organization with ties to al-Qaeda by the US, European Union, and UN Security Council’s Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee. The Associated Press has reported that since “2013, thousands of Uyghurs… have traveled to Syria to train with the Uighur militant group Turkistan Islamic Party and fight alongside al-Qaida,” with “several hundred join[ing] the Islamic State.”
Forced rape/abortionZenz arrived at his estimate “over 1 million” in a dubious manner. He based it on a single report by Istiqlal TV, a Uyghur exile media organization based in Turkey, which was republished by Newsweek Japan. {{reusing a quote from earlier ->}} Far from an impartial journalistic organization, Istiqlal TV advances the separatist cause while playing host to an assortment of extremist figures. One such character who often appears on Istiqlal TV is Abdulkadir Yapuquan, a reported leader of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a separatist group that aims to establish an independent homeland in Xinjiang called East Turkestan. ETIM has been designated as a terrorist organization with ties to al-Qaeda by the US, European Union, and UN Security Council’s Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee. The Associated Press has reported that since “2013, thousands of Uighurs… have traveled to Syria to train with the Uighur militant group Turkistan Islamic Party and fight alongside al-Qaida,” with “several hundred join[ing] the Islamic State.”
Nazi-like concentration campsFrom the second article: "In most parts of China, couples with at least one side being an ethnic minority are allowed to give birth to two or more babies."
They even admit this in the article. Yet for some reason, after the one-child policy was scrapped, they suddenly want to take the opposite position, that of preventing Uyghur women from giving birth. And yet, where is the evidence for this? Mogdyn is the main piece, whose claims are unverifiable and she is more or less unfindable on anything but news reports about her. The second piece of evidence they cite is “a Kazakh woman.” I don’t think I need to explain why we can disregard this. So, it would seem, we really have no reason to believe this is the case, do we? They next make this claim
From the second article: "In addition to mistreating detained women, rights groups and experts say Beijing has pursued a campaign to erase Muslim culture in Xinjiang, by pushing interethnic marriages and sending Chinese officials for “home stays” with Muslim families, part of efforts by president Xi Jinping’s government to assimilate ethnic minorities."
Also more related sources:...they are given a significant amount of freedom and are being trained to contribute to society, namely through job training, which is what the Chinese government has long claimed. So what does this amount to? Rehabilitation. Whereas in America, where people in prison are subject to these somehow horrible conditions present in the Chinese vocational center, they are ostensibly not rehabilitated for any of their crimes, the emphasis being put on pure punishment. Are we supposed to rebuke China for trying to control the terrorist sentiment that had been bubbling in Xinjiang, should they just have ignored the problem, allow people who seek separatist and violent actions to flourish? Even after so many people have already been killed by separatist terrorism?
With the last part, I have conflicting thoughts about that. One hand, I can see it from the Chinese perspective where unity is extremely important for them to develop the nation more and improve the living conditions so that there is prosperity instead of despair that leads to extremism — the results over the past 70 years speak for themselves. On the other hand, I've grown up with similar concepts drummed into me since childhood with being in a military family and community and with the propaganda they teach in school like reciting the pledge of allegiance. I also accept that I view this from a western/American rebellious perspective.Is it not more humane to teach people why they’re wrong and destructive, and give them pathways for alleviating themselves of poor conditions which often contribute heavily to the sentiment of extremism? People who leave the camps are routinely given jobs by the government should they be unable to get one by themselves. Does this sound like they’re trying to exterminate them? By what, trying to reduce poverty and push for economic growth in Xinjiang?
Extremist ideologies such as those held by ETIM are not just “different opinions,” they are a threat to the security of China. What would you have done if you discovered a large terrorist cell in your country?
Anyway, they point out the propaganda posters in the vocational center as well. To that I say “who cares?” I see no problem with a country trying to reinforce its state ideology.
Thanks for taking the time to put that together, very interesting. I hear a lot on social media about China’s practices in that region but the sources always seem very dubious (as you point out, Zenz is often cited and he has zero credibility), and the claims so sensational your instinct is to doubt their veracity anyway. I have no doubts the Chinese government is capable of committing atrocities and human rights abuses, and I’m still unsure what the reality of the situation is in Xinjiang. I am 100% sure that the worst thing to do right now would be to swallow Western media claims about China without further investigation though.We must first start with some initial points because context and all that jazz. China is seen by the US and its lapdogs in "the west" as an economic and geopolitical rival. The US will do anything, and I mean anything, to ensure that their place on top of the perch is unchanged and unchallenged. It's not too controversial on here to say that the US has repeatedly lied time and time again to invoke foreign intervention on nations that they don't like, with every single case having disastrous consequences. One only needs to go back a few years: Syria, Libya, Iraq. I think we're all aware enough of those situations as they are today. It is also not too controversial to say that the US has armed and trained Islamic fundamentalist groups to advance their geopolitical agenda, which has been going on since at least the 70s. Hmm, I wonder how that all turned out these days?
Now what the feck does this have to do with China? Well there is a pattern developing here: US sponsoring Islamic terrorists to destabilize countries; Islamic extremism in the Uyghur community; the controversy surrounding this to destabilize China — an economic and geopolitical rival of the US. Other than the issue with Islamic fundamentalism, what else does the Xinjiang region have that's so significant — being an important geographical piece of the Belt and Road Initiative. The trade implications of that are nonetheless significant and threatens the US' perch and influence over the world that it likes to have. We have our presumptive motive.
Now onto the Uyghur stuff. Let's take a look at a few of these "sources" that media outlets keep referencing.
Adrian Zenz
I'll defer to this copypasta
and this copypasta
to give you an idea of who this guy is.
Nation Endowment for Democracy (NED)
US-funded organization, created during the current Trump presidency in 2018, interfering in elections around the world. You can read more about them here.
Istiqlal TV
Another copypasta
Radio Free Asia
A propaganda arm established by the busy bees at the CIA.
Omir Bekali
A Kazakh Uyghur, he provided a witness testimony to his treatment by Chinese authorities. That's cool and all, but he and the media who cite him shows no bruising, no scars, and no corroboration of his story. The claims from his testimony are dubious at best with details like being taught the dangers of Islam even though there are millions of Muslims living peacefully and the fact that China has over 39,000 mosques — 25,000 in Xinjiang alone (up from 9000 in 1984).
Rushan Abbas
A supposed human rights "defender", she is a known CIA asset who worked in Guantanamo Bay, overseeing the illegal detainment and torture of Muslims. Should also be noted that she worked under George W. Bush, whose invasion of Iraq based on lies that led to up to over 1 million dead Iraqis, most of whom Muslim and civilian. Why would someone who cares so much about Muslims be implicated in all of this?
Various US "intelligence" sources
Ah yes, the trustworthy US intelligence services. We can trust them right? They would never lie to drag us into a conflict right? It's like the geopolitical equivalent of "my Manc mate said".
There are many more, surely, but these are the main ones I wanted to bring up. Now onto the supposed claims of genocide among others.
1.5 million Uyghurs detained
This claim came from Adrain Zenz, the crazy end-times evangelical guy. Quoted from this article:
Forced rape/abortion
When the fecking Sun reports this, you should already be skeptical. Seems strange when one is aware of this.
Nazi-like concentration camps
Sure, it can be fair to have criticisms of the authoritarian nature of handling extremism in the Uyghur community. But I'd be interested to know how anyone here would handle it if they were in positions of power. Also, we've been campaigning heavily here in the US for prison reform to convert it into a place for rehabilitation back into society with job training and such. But when China does something similar, they're comparable to Nazis.Say what you want about the source media network, but I'll take this over the anecdote of one guy (with no photo or video evidence of his torture) or some picture in the front of who knows what or some random picture of an empty house. And I'll damn well take this over what any US State Department goon has to say.
And let's not forget how the beacon of democracy and freedom, the US, handles Islamic extremism: invade countries on false pretenses, drone strike civilians, Guantanamo Bay, the Blackwater murders, forced removal of other nations' leaders, economic terrorism through sanctions that literally starve innocent people... the list goes on. Another reminder that the US also funds Islamic terrorism. What a use of taxpayer money? feck providing income to residents to combat COVID, feck giving healthcare.
Another copypasta
Also more related sources:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/422970-pakistani-diplomat-narrates-visit-to-chinas-xinjiang
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/13/c_138222183.htm
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1159357.shtml
Say what you want about these ^^, I'm just offering alternatives.
Brainwashing with CPC propaganda
Another copypasta because effort
With the last part, I have conflicting thoughts about that. One hand, I can see it from the Chinese perspective where unity is extremely important for them to develop the nation more and improve the living conditions so that there is prosperity instead of despair that leads to extremism — the results over the past 70 years speak for themselves. On the other hand, I've grown up with similar concepts drummed into me since childhood with being in a military family and community and with the propaganda they teach in school like reciting the pledge of allegiance. I also accept that I view this from a western/American rebellious perspective.
Xinjiang being a 1984-esque dystopia
Found this from another source as I don't know Chinese. Not sure when this was exactly recorded, mind. Also I'm getting unexpected ads even though I have a built-in adblock on this browser. Make of this what you will.
"Crack down" of Uyghur language or whatever ridiculous claim associated with the language
Kind of odd if there is this notion that the language is banned or that it is restricted when the official language of the Xinjiang province is, you guessed it, Uyghur. That also makes it a governmental language. How exactly is it that the government can both “crack down” on Uyghur language speakers and also use the Uyghur language?
Banning of beards
This should be obvious by now that this claim is complete bullshit.
"Crack down" or banning of practicing Islam
Also a great cooking channel if you're into that
There are many more to discuss but I'm leaving it at that. The US who are leading this racist campaign against China should maybe look at their own wrongdoings, with the rest of the west joining in on the reflection.
Then its incumbent upon China to let the media in for an unbiased inspection. If they remain secretive of their activities we are perfectly within our rights to assume the worst.Thanks for taking the time to put that together, very interesting. I hear a lot on social media about China’s practices in that region but the sources always seem very dubious (as you point out, Zenz is often cited and he has zero credibility), and the claims so sensational your instinct is to doubt their veracity anyway. I have no doubts the Chinese government is capable of committing atrocities and human rights abuses, and I’m still unsure what the reality of the situation is in Xinjiang. I am 100% sure that the worst thing to do right now would be to swallow Western media claims about China without further investigation though.
Ignoring the conspiratorial nonsense, whataboutism, wilful negligence and lack of care fettered throughout that post, which in a hopeful reading is perhaps due to China’s successful obfuscation and/or your perceived geographical/ideological/social distance from where this is happening, that part is particularly disturbing (“the results over the past 70 years speak for themselves”). I will give the benefit of the doubt you didn’t mean that in the way it initially came across because as someone who has friends who have suffered greatly as a direct consequence, the results came at a cost of a great deal of suffering.We must first start with some initial points because context and all that jazz. China is seen by the US and its lapdogs in "the west" as an economic and geopolitical rival. The US will do anything, and I mean anything, to ensure that their place on top of the perch is unchanged and unchallenged. It's not too controversial on here to say that the US has repeatedly lied time and time again to invoke foreign intervention on nations that they don't like, with every single case having disastrous consequences. One only needs to go back a few years: Syria, Libya, Iraq. I think we're all aware enough of those situations as they are today. It is also not too controversial to say that the US has armed and trained Islamic fundamentalist groups to advance their geopolitical agenda, which has been going on since at least the 70s. Hmm, I wonder how that all turned out these days?
Now what the feck does this have to do with China? Well there is a pattern developing here: US sponsoring Islamic terrorists to destabilize countries; Islamic extremism in the Uyghur community; the controversy surrounding this to destabilize China — an economic and geopolitical rival of the US. Other than the issue with Islamic fundamentalism, what else does the Xinjiang region have that's so significant — being an important geographical piece of the Belt and Road Initiative. The trade implications of that are nonetheless significant and threatens the US' perch and influence over the world that it likes to have. We have our presumptive motive.
Now onto the Uyghur stuff. Let's take a look at a few of these "sources" that media outlets keep referencing.
Adrian Zenz
I'll defer to this copypasta
and this copypasta
to give you an idea of who this guy is.
Nation Endowment for Democracy (NED)
US-funded organization, created during the current Trump presidency in 2018, interfering in elections around the world. You can read more about them here.
Istiqlal TV
Another copypasta
Radio Free Asia
A propaganda arm established by the busy bees at the CIA.
Omir Bekali
A Kazakh Uyghur, he provided a witness testimony to his treatment by Chinese authorities. That's cool and all, but he and the media who cite him shows no bruising, no scars, and no corroboration of his story. The claims from his testimony are dubious at best with details like being taught the dangers of Islam even though there are millions of Muslims living peacefully and the fact that China has over 39,000 mosques — 25,000 in Xinjiang alone (up from 9000 in 1984).
Rushan Abbas
A supposed human rights "defender", she is a known CIA asset who worked in Guantanamo Bay, overseeing the illegal detainment and torture of Muslims. Should also be noted that she worked under George W. Bush, whose invasion of Iraq based on lies that led to up to over 1 million dead Iraqis, most of whom Muslim and civilian. Why would someone who cares so much about Muslims be implicated in all of this?
Various US "intelligence" sources
Ah yes, the trustworthy US intelligence services. We can trust them right? They would never lie to drag us into a conflict right? It's like the geopolitical equivalent of "my Manc mate said".
There are many more, surely, but these are the main ones I wanted to bring up. Now onto the supposed claims of genocide among others.
1.5 million Uyghurs detained
This claim came from Adrain Zenz, the crazy end-times evangelical guy. Quoted from this article:
Forced rape/abortion
When the fecking Sun reports this, you should already be skeptical. Seems strange when one is aware of this.
Nazi-like concentration camps
Sure, it can be fair to have criticisms of the authoritarian nature of handling extremism in the Uyghur community. But I'd be interested to know how anyone here would handle it if they were in positions of power. Also, we've been campaigning heavily here in the US for prison reform to convert it into a place for rehabilitation back into society with job training and such. But when China does something similar, they're comparable to Nazis.Say what you want about the source media network, but I'll take this over the anecdote of one guy (with no photo or video evidence of his torture) or some picture in the front of who knows what or some random picture of an empty house. And I'll damn well take this over what any US State Department goon has to say.
And let's not forget how the beacon of democracy and freedom, the US, handles Islamic extremism: invade countries on false pretenses, drone strike civilians, Guantanamo Bay, the Blackwater murders, forced removal of other nations' leaders, economic terrorism through sanctions that literally starve innocent people... the list goes on. Another reminder that the US also funds Islamic terrorism. What a use of taxpayer money? feck providing income to residents to combat COVID, feck giving healthcare.
Another copypasta
Also more related sources:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/422970-pakistani-diplomat-narrates-visit-to-chinas-xinjiang
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/13/c_138222183.htm
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1159357.shtml
Say what you want about these ^^, I'm just offering alternatives.
Brainwashing with CPC propaganda
Another copypasta because effort
With the last part, I have conflicting thoughts about that. One hand, I can see it from the Chinese perspective where unity is extremely important for them to develop the nation more and improve the living conditions so that there is prosperity instead of despair that leads to extremism — the results over the past 70 years speak for themselves. On the other hand, I've grown up with similar concepts drummed into me since childhood with being in a military family and community and with the propaganda they teach in school like reciting the pledge of allegiance. I also accept that I view this from a western/American rebellious perspective.
Xinjiang being a 1984-esque dystopia
Found this from another source as I don't know Chinese. Not sure when this was exactly recorded, mind. Also I'm getting unexpected ads even though I have a built-in adblock on this browser. Make of this what you will.
"Crack down" of Uyghur language or whatever ridiculous claim associated with the language
Kind of odd if there is this notion that the language is banned or that it is restricted when the official language of the Xinjiang province is, you guessed it, Uyghur. That also makes it a governmental language. How exactly is it that the government can both “crack down” on Uyghur language speakers and also use the Uyghur language?
Banning of beards
This should be obvious by now that this claim is complete bullshit.
"Crack down" or banning of practicing Islam
Also a great cooking channel if you're into that
There are many more to discuss but I'm leaving it at that. The US who are leading this racist campaign against China should maybe look at their own wrongdoings, with the rest of the west joining in on the reflection.
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If you really want another point of view, you may want to know how Chinese media (i.e. CCP propaganda) describe these events. They claim all Uighurs are terrorists and they send them all to so-called re-education camps, which are basically brainwashing campaigns. Here's one of the promotion videos if you are interested.Thanks for taking the time to put that together, very interesting. I hear a lot on social media about China’s practices in that region but the sources always seem very dubious (as you point out, Zenz is often cited and he has zero credibility), and the claims so sensational your instinct is to doubt their veracity anyway. I have no doubts the Chinese government is capable of committing atrocities and human rights abuses, and I’m still unsure what the reality of the situation is in Xinjiang. I am 100% sure that the worst thing to do right now would be to swallow Western media claims about China without further investigation though.
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Funnily, I only had to read and watch US media to convince myself that this is indeed a new Cold War.Tweet
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Well Trump told Xi that sending the uyghurs into concentration camp is bloody great idea and that he should keep doing it.I love how the USA is getting on their high horse on this one. After decades and decades of US and Western foreign policy that essentially aimed to Westernise the entire planet they decide that what China is doing are abhorrent human rights injustices. Its a bit like Hitler telling you not to make fun of Jewish people.
So you would rather that US citizens do not speak out about it?I love how the USA is getting on their high horse on this one. After decades and decades of US and Western foreign policy that essentially aimed to Westernise the entire planet they decide that what China is doing are abhorrent human rights injustices. Its a bit like Hitler telling you not to make fun of Jewish people.
What are you talking about? Much of this thread has been about why other powers, in particular the US, haven’t done anything. We are more concerned with Hong Kong and the South China Sea.I love how the USA is getting on their high horse on this one. After decades and decades of US and Western foreign policy that essentially aimed to Westernise the entire planet they decide that what China is doing are abhorrent human rights injustices. Its a bit like Hitler telling you not to make fun of Jewish people.
Nothing against US citizens having an opinion on anything which is why I was carful to include the West in my comment, round it nicely. It would be good if people werent so easily swayed by propaganda, that would be very helpful.So you would rather that US citizens do not speak out about it?
I love how the USA is getting on their high horse on this one. After decades and decades of US and Western foreign policy that essentially aimed to Westernise the entire planet they decide that what China is doing are abhorrent human rights injustices. Its a bit like Hitler telling you not to make fun of Jewish people.
So what China isn't doing isn't abhorrent human rights injustices?Nothing against US citizens having an opinion on anything which is why I was carful to include the West in my comment, round it nicely. It would be good if people werent so easily swayed by propaganda, that would be very helpful.
This might be an interesting read on the topicNothing against US citizens having an opinion on anything which is why I was carful to include the West in my comment, round it nicely. It would be good if people werent so easily swayed by propaganda, that would be very helpful.
Amazing video.Funnily, I only had to read and watch US media to convince myself that this is indeed a new Cold War.
^^former Colin Powell Chief of Staff, Lawrence Wilkinson
The US have been doing something about it in the form of sponsoring terrorism to destabilize Xinjiang, and to a greater extent, China. Also doing something about it in the way you’re implying would imply that the US actually care about Muslims, which if Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Libya, Syria, and Yemen are anything to go by...What are you talking about? Much of this thread has been about why other powers, in particular the US, haven’t done anything. We are more concerned with Hong Kong and the South China Sea.
It’s not by accident.Amazing video.
None of the articles in NYT or John Oliver's video really address the issue in depth.
The ones being sent back are the ones that are truly brainwashed (ISIS) not the regular people. People who believe that they're waging a holy war by blowing themselves up.This might be an interesting read on the topic
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/24/the-lethal-folly-of-humanitarian-interventionism/
Are you sure that you're replying on this article and not the one about Turkey posted by another?The ones being sent back are the ones that are truly brainwashed (ISIS) not the regular people. People who believe that they're waging a holy war by blowing themselves up.
My bad - I meant to reply to the Telegraph article.Are you sure that you're replying on this article and not the one about Turkey posted by another?
npMy bad - I meant to reply to the Telegraph article.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-uighurs-back-china-without-breaking-promise/